READ- Weapon Rebalancing

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Oh and by the way, the definition of "balance", doesn't work that way. Because hypothetically speaking, balance in this game can't even exist. For example is the game servers, the laggers, the glitchers, and of course. People like you Bitzsam.

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

. You didn't purchase the stats as those aren't provided in the description- you bought the gun and the gun is what you still have

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im done lmao

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Oh and by the way, the definition of "balance", doesn't work that way. Because hypothetically speaking, balance in this game can't even exist. For example is the game servers, the laggers, the glitchers, and of course. People like you Bitzsam.

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I can't believe he said "You didn't purchase the gun for its stats" lmao

What a joke...

I feel like until snk returns or a more senior admin steps up idk if anything can be done.


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Everyone here is being very shortsighted. You are using the excuse that you are a consumer to fault bitzsam for attempting to balance the gameplay environment.

When you buy a car, the car is subject to the road laws and regulations that change. The car itself is also subject to changes it will need to be imrpoved/ repaired to maintain it.

So when sam changed the gun stats it's just like changing a road regulation. Road regulations are changed to improve road safety. Similarly, changing this gun stats makes the game more fair. It's sustainable for the game so that future players can find ease in surviving in the competitive environment.

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So now are they going to reset the stats of the nerfed guns??

Shortsighted? That's rich coming from someone like you.

If you want to make the game more "fun" then you should consider lowering the prices. That will definitely stop players from buying their way to power. You also got to remember that the guns you nerfed are too op for a reason they are crazy expensive and you making them weaker for the game to beore even is a big mistake... Unless you return the money to the gamers and maybe next time they will make right decisions about where and how they should spend their money. Bitzsam has to remember that the co founders of the game made graal era for the business and it appears Bitzsam is getting in the way of that so if that's the case it would be soon that Bitzsam won't be working for graal era relations anymore. Changing the guns stats, but not changing and returning the amount paid for these "op weapons" is like paying a private jet in it's finest condition and later having it's engine switch to a proppeler engine Doo too it being too fast. Pretty much scammed the customers and if Bitzsam thought they were too over powered well guess whose mistake is that .... Bitzsam. All these problems could be fix in many different ways, but they all take time and most likely be in no interest in a company that makes money. If you change the game in a negative way expect a giant disappointed for the customers. Bitzsam might be a Communist where he believes that all people should be equally poor analogy would be that all guns must be equally garbage.

If you wanna make bases more fair then add a system similar to multiplex.

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If you wanna make bases more fair then add a system similar to multiplex.

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Maybe in countryside....................................

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Originally Posted by Gunma

If you want to make the game more "fun" then you should consider lowering the prices. That will definitely stop players from buying their way to power. You also got to remember that the guns you nerfed are too op for a reason they are crazy expensive and you making them weaker for the game to beore even is a big mistake... Unless you return the money to the gamers and maybe next time they will make right decisions about where and how they should spend their money. Bitzsam has to remember that the co founders of the game made graal era for the business and it appears Bitzsam is getting in the way of that so if that's the case it would be soon that Bitzsam won't be working for graal era relations anymore. Changing the guns stats, but not changing and returning the amount paid for these "op weapons" is like paying a private jet in it's finest condition and later having it's engine switch to a proppeler engine Doo too it being too fast. Pretty much scammed the customers and if Bitzsam thought they were too over powered well guess whose mistake is that .... Bitzsam. All these problems could be fix in many different ways, but they all take time and most likely be in no interest in a company that makes money. If you change the game in a negative way expect a giant disappointed for the customers. Bitzsam might be a Communist where he believes that all people should be equally poor analogy would be that all guns must be equally garbage.

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This is exactly what's happened interesting perspective.


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Originally Posted by MJ4

Maybe in countryside....................................

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Maybe never

You realize if all of the guns are changed then the bar still comes out better? You don't even try to take the perspective of individuals who actually appreciate these changes. You are using a personal argument and justifying it as if it matters to everyone. Lets be honest if all of you naysayers didnt have these guns you wouldnt be complaining, but because you do you want "justice". Kind of sad if you think about it. This thread reeks of hypocrisy and lack of proper attitude, if you know one suggestion wont work then quit shoving it down our throats and think of something better.

Also you say my argument is repetitive and overused, well stop and look at yourselves.

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Originally Posted by Psycho Adelphos

You realize if all of the guns are changed then the bar still comes out better? You don't even try to take the perspective of individuals who actually appreciate these changes. You are using a personal argument and justifying it as if it matters to everyone. Lets be honest if all of you naysayers didnt have these guns you wouldnt be complaining, but because you do you want "justice". Kind of sad if you think about it. This thread reeks of hypocrisy and lack of proper attitude, if you know one suggestion wont work then quit shoving it down our throats and think of something better.

Also you say my argument is repetitive and overused, well stop and look at yourselves.

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Yepn they are just so self-centered nothing ever gets into their heads.

They inisist on their argument that their guns are unjustly nerfed. And some when we disagree with their viewpoints , they resort to harassment and mocking to get away with having to confront a conflicting view. It's just too obvious they lack the reasoning abilities and the proper ettiquettes of arguement.

This is not even close to fair people spam M4 making 1v1s completely unfair and for p2ks they should go back to normal sure it only cost 100k each but it does not take 24 hours to get to 100k kills these changes ruined the enjoyment of players who use these guns because of this nerf players are begining to quit. These nerfs made it unfair im 1v1 situations 1v2 situations or any of that kind. Try nerfing electric staff people spam it to the point of it being like the chemical gun

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Originally Posted by Psycho Adelphos

You realize if all of the guns are changed then the bar still comes out better? You don't even try to take the perspective of individuals who actually appreciate these changes. You are using a personal argument and justifying it as if it matters to everyone. Lets be honest if all of you naysayers didnt have these guns you wouldnt be complaining, but because you do you want "justice". Kind of sad if you think about it. This thread reeks of hypocrisy and lack of proper attitude, if you know one suggestion wont work then quit shoving it down our throats and think of something better.

Also you say my argument is repetitive and overused, well stop and look at yourselves.

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Well said.

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Originally Posted by Psycho Adelphos

You realize if all of the guns are changed then the bar still comes out better? You don't even try to take the perspective of individuals who actually appreciate these changes. You are using a personal argument and justifying it as if it matters to everyone. Lets be honest if all of you naysayers didnt have these guns you wouldnt be complaining, but because you do you want "justice". Kind of sad if you think about it. This thread reeks of hypocrisy and lack of proper attitude, if you know one suggestion wont work then quit shoving it down our throats and think of something better.

Also you say my argument is repetitive and overused, well stop and look at yourselves.

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All guns weren't changed only top tier guns. People are making valid points. There's hundreds of guns in era. In order to make the game truly balanced you would have to change the stats on every single gun. This last nerf targeted a specific set of highly used guns. It sounds good in theory saying if all guns are changed bar still comes out better but it's not the case. Because all guns were not changed and it's not better statistically speaking. Also your generalizing when you say it's coming from a personal standpoint because i personally will do good basing spar mpx pking etc with or without the nerf. If you take your time and go to complex talk to gangs and take a look at how many people have commented on this thread you can see this is obviously out of the ordinary. Bottom line one gun admin isn't enough to make decisions for 3000 active players. People feel cheated because the weapons performance and the fact weapons that cost less are out performing them. It's not just complaining it's facts. Once again other admins, various gangs, sparers etc have said the guns are devalued it's a legitimate issue that needs to be looked at.


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Originally Posted by jaxwashere

All guns weren't changed only top tier guns. People are making valid points. There's hundreds of guns in era. In order to make the game truly balanced you would have to change the stats on every single gun. This last nerf targeted a specific set of highly used guns. It sounds good in theory saying if all guns are changed bar still comes out better but it's not the case. Because all guns were not changed and it's not better statistically speaking. Also your generalizing when you say it's coming from a personal standpoint because i personally will do good basing spar mpx pking etc with or without the nerf. If you take your time and go to complex talk to gangs and take a look at how many people have commented on this thread you can see this is obviously out of the ordinary. Bottom line one gun admin isn't enough to make decisions for 3000 active players. People feel cheated because the weapons performance and the fact weapons that cost less are out performing them. It's not just complaining it's facts. Once again other admins, various gangs, sparers etc have said the guns are devalued it's a legitimate issue that needs to be looked at.


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Well said.

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Originally Posted by Psycho Adelphos

You realize if all of the guns are changed then the bar still comes out better? You don't even try to take the perspective of individuals who actually appreciate these changes. You are using a personal argument and justifying it as if it matters to everyone. Lets be honest if all of you naysayers didnt have these guns you wouldnt be complaining, but because you do you want "justice". Kind of sad if you think about it. This thread reeks of hypocrisy and lack of proper attitude, if you know one suggestion wont work then quit shoving it down our throats and think of something better.

Also you say my argument is repetitive and overused, well stop and look at yourselves.

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Thats what people on your side are doing as well, stop acting like your side is so perfect. People on both sides of this have said to reset everything and find a better way to do this, there's clearly some holes in this so why continue it? That would be the fair and best way, but that doesn't seem to be enough for some of yall. Some of yall are just being intentionally selfish

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Originally Posted by jaxwashere

All guns weren't changed only top tier guns. People are making valid points. There's hundreds of guns in era. In order to make the game truly balanced you would have to change the stats on every single gun. This last nerf targeted a specific set of highly used guns. It sounds good in theory saying if all guns are changed bar still comes out better but it's not the case. Because all guns were not changed and it's not better statistically speaking. Also your generalizing when you say it's coming from a personal standpoint because i personally will do good basing spar mpx pking etc with or without the nerf. If you take your time and go to complex talk to gangs and take a look at how many people have commented on this thread you can see this is obviously out of the ordinary. Bottom line one gun admin isn't enough to make decisions for 3000 active players. People feel cheated because the weapons performance and the fact weapons that cost less are out performing them. It's not just complaining it's facts. Once again other admins, various gangs, sparers etc have said the guns are devalued it's a legitimate issue that needs to be looked at.


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Yep. Really, this whole ordeal can go away in less than a day, for the better of the game

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Originally Posted by lyk12345

Yepn they are just so self-centered nothing ever gets into their heads.

They inisist on their argument that their guns are unjustly nerfed. And some when we disagree with their viewpoints , they resort to harassment and mocking to get away with having to confront a conflicting view. It's just too obvious they lack the reasoning abilities and the proper ettiquettes of arguement.

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''All who complain about the nerfs are losers'''-Master Sergeant Lyk.
Excuse me whos the one mocking to confront a conflicting view?
Who are you to tell us about reasoning abilities & the proper etiquette of argument?
You act all righteous & respectful here only to have people expose you for who & what you really are in the game a fake.

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Originally Posted by Psycho Adelphos

You don't even try to take the perspective of individuals who actually don't appreciate these changes. You are using a personal argument and justifying it as if it matters to everyone. Kind of sad if you think about it. This thread reeks of hypocrisy and lack of proper attitude, if you know one suggestion wont work then quit shoving it down our throats and think of something better.

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You're talking about BItzsam right?

Listen up all you are all being so stupid that I cant even believe it!

1. Just stfu and stop crying i get it complain first day, I admit i was upset too but im over it LOL

2. How about instead of sitting here crying about it lets talk about some compromises that we can make yea?

3. Hes not going to just remove the nerfs ok I thought you guys would have accepted it by now, like i have and use better sense to at least make our terrible situation a little more tolerable



As for me I would like to see Bar have a clip decrease maybe to like 15 for slightly increased fire rate also with a decrease in spread and higher freeze


Also kf you do decide to touch water staff consider

Lower fire rate with an increased clip

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Originally Posted by Czar Misago

Listen up all you are all being so stupid that I cant even believe it!

1. Just stfu and stop crying i get it complain first day, I admit i was upset too but im over it LOL

2. How about instead of sitting here crying about it lets talk about some compromises that we can make yea?

3. Hes not going to just remove the nerfs ok I thought you guys would have accepted it by now, like i have and use better sense to at least make our terrible situation a little more tolerable



As for me I would like to see Bar have a clip decrease maybe to like 15 for slightly increased fire rate also with a decrease in spread and higher freeze


Also kf you do decide to touch water staff consider

Lower fire rate with an increased clip

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Okk

Well may I say
Things in the game are gonna change, There nothing we as people can really do for we are just the voice of the community.
We can only say what is right and what is wrong. The bar and the other good guns...well what can I say are nerfed. Not much we can do. The Higher Elites in the Era world are the ones that pretty much have control of what comes and what goes.

So shall I say
For all -veterans- For things will not stay the same forever. For it will get worst before it gets better. -salut- (Chief in Command)

It's good that we have people like you (Chief:Kiwii) -Salut- Uhh for are great Nation?

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Originally Posted by Kiwii

Well may I say
Things in the game are gonna change, There nothing we as people can really do for we are just the voice of the community.
We can only say what is right and what is wrong. The bar and the other good guns...well what can I say are nerfed. Not much we can do. The Higher Elites in the Era world are the ones that pretty much have control of what comes and what goes.

So shall I say
For all -veterans- For things will not stay the same forever. For it will get worst before it gets better. -salut- (Chief in Command)

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Salut مرق ولا ?
ه ه ه

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It's good that we have people like you (Chief:Kiwii) -Salut- Uhh for are great Nation?

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Thank u

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Originally Posted by Kiwii

Well may I say
Things in the game are gonna change, There nothing we as people can really do for we are just the voice of the community.
We can only say what is right and what is wrong. The bar and the other good guns...well what can I say are nerfed. Not much we can do. The Higher Elites in the Era world are the ones that pretty much have control of what comes and what goes.

So shall I say
For all -veterans- For things will not stay the same forever. For it will get worst before it gets better. -salut- (Chief in Command)

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Why are you saying hello in French. Salut and bonjour mean hi or hello

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Originally Posted by Czar Misago

Listen up all you are all being so stupid that I cant even believe it!

1. Just stfu and stop crying i get it complain first day, I admit i was upset too but im over it LOL

2. How about instead of sitting here crying about it lets talk about some compromises that we can make yea?

3. Hes not going to just remove the nerfs ok I thought you guys would have accepted it by now, like i have and use better sense to at least make our terrible situation a little more tolerable



As for me I would like to see Bar have a clip decrease maybe to like 15 for slightly increased fire rate also with a decrease in spread and higher freeze


Also kf you do decide to touch water staff consider

Lower fire rate with an increased clip

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Increasing firerate on bar by any amount will make it faster than gm4/ many other of the high tier guns which kind of defeats the purpose as then all those guns would need to be increased so they don't become 'worse'. Don't forget the gm4/ bar difference is only 13k, gm4s current advantage is only its freeze rate but that doesn't really make much of a difference unless it's a skilled gm4 user against an unskilled bar user

The other stats are open to change, hesitant on freeze because reducing it could make it too good as spar gun as currently the higher freeze is the only deterrent so I'd only really consider a 0.01 reduction at most.
But if you want a lower clip at the exchange of a faster reload time then that can be considered

Such as 15 clip for 0.35 reload

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

Increasing firerate on bar by any amount will make it faster than gm4/ many other of the high tier guns which kind of defeats the purpose as then all those guns would need to be increased so they don't become 'worse'. Don't forget the gm4/ bar difference is only 13k, gm4s current advantage is only its freeze rate but that doesn't really make much of a difference unless it's a skilled gm4 user against an unskilled bar user

The other stats are open to change, hesitant on freeze because reducing it could make it too good as spar gun as currently the higher freeze is the only deterrent so I'd only really consider a 0.01 reduction at most.
But if you want a lower clip at the exchange of a faster reload time then that can be considered

Such as 15 clip for 0.35 reload

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Honestly I feel like you shouldn't even be in a position to touch gun stats anymore. At least not by yourself it should really fall on a group decision.


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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

Increasing firerate on bar by any amount will make it faster than gm4/ many other of the high tier guns which kind of defeats the purpose as then all those guns would need to be increased so they don't become 'worse'. Don't forget the gm4/ bar difference is only 13k, gm4s current advantage is only its freeze rate but that doesn't really make much of a difference unless it's a skilled gm4 user against an unskilled bar user

The other stats are open to change, hesitant on freeze because reducing it could make it too good as spar gun as currently the higher freeze is the only deterrent so I'd only really consider a 0.01 reduction at most.
But if you want a lower clip at the exchange of a faster reload time then that can be considered

Such as 15 clip for 0.35 reload

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Sounds good to me, unless anyone else objects??

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Originally Posted by jaxwashere

Honestly I feel like you shouldn't even be in a position to touch gun stats anymore. At least not by yourself it should really fall on a group decision.


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See man just think about it logically we can sit here and cry about the nerfs or we can compromise, I hate it just as much as you guys do

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Originally Posted by Czar Misago

Sounds good to me, unless anyone else objects??

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See man just think about it logically we can sit here and cry about the nerfs or we can compromise, I hate it just as much as you guys do

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He's not willing to compromise though. He hasn't even addressed the possibility of another gun admin in order to make things fair. All this talk abut balancing guns but still left in one persons hands. Imagine if Trump had all the power and there was no checks and balances system. We're like ok Trump what you did was wrong and he's like let's compromise I'll only bomb certain countries. That's not a compromise it's an authoritarian laying down rules that's what Bitzsam is doing. It's neither balanced or fair and shouldn't just be accepted. At first he said nothing is changing now he's willing to "compromise" because he sees he made mistakes. Truth is he shouldn't have made these changes independently to begin with.


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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

Increasing firerate on bar by any amount will make it faster than gm4/ many other of the high tier guns which kind of defeats the purpose as then all those guns would need to be increased so they don't become 'worse'. Don't forget the gm4/ bar difference is only 13k, gm4s current advantage is only its freeze rate but that doesn't really make much of a difference unless it's a skilled gm4 user against an unskilled bar user

The other stats are open to change, hesitant on freeze because reducing it could make it too good as spar gun as currently the higher freeze is the only deterrent so I'd only really consider a 0.01 reduction at most.
But if you want a lower clip at the exchange of a faster reload time then that can be considered

Such as 15 clip for 0.35 reload

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Nerf cripple please thanks. With the new guns, cripple just destroys them, you can't even rush cripple cause the knockback sends you back. I'm getting tired of not being able to defend myself against them and they practically have an unlimited clip, it regenerates way too fast and the knockback seriously needs to be brought down

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Originally Posted by jaxwashere

Honestly I feel like you shouldn't even be in a position to touch gun stats anymore. At least not by yourself it should really fall on a group decision.


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You've repeated the same thing on this thread more times than there have been actual compromises made. You don't want another gun admin you want someone biased by iTunes who wouldn't want things nerfed for their own personal sake.
You want 2 gun admin opinions? Well this thread already has them from myself and meph and both of them are on similar wavelengths in that one way or another these rebalances needed to happen and will happen.

It's up to you to have the change that I have provided you to make compromises so you can potentially have some say to lessen its impact

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Originally Posted by Czar Misago

Sounds good to me, unless anyone else objects??

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See man just think about it logically we can sit here and cry about the nerfs or we can compromise, I hate it just as much as you guys do

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Sounds good to what? The clip reduction for faster reload?

Man, people are saying very nice words

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

You've repeated the same thing on this thread more times than there have been actual compromises made. You don't want another gun admin you want someone biased by iTunes who wouldn't want things nerfed for their own personal sake.
You want 2 gun admin opinions? Well this thread already has them from myself and meph and both of them are on similar wavelengths in that one way or another these rebalances needed to happen and will happen.

It's up to you to have the change that I have provided you to make compromises so you can potentially have some say to lessen its impact

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Sounds good to what? The clip reduction for faster reload?

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Name - BAR
Freeze - 0.2
Firerate - 0.3 0.28
Spread - 0.08 0.05
Clip - 20 12
Reload - 0.5
Bullets - 1
Auto - Y
Stacked - N

Willing to give 8 less bullets for faster rof and less spread

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

You've repeated the same thing on this thread more times than there have been actual compromises made. You don't want another gun admin you want someone biased by iTunes who wouldn't want things nerfed for their own personal sake.
You want 2 gun admin opinions? Well this thread already has them from myself and meph and both of them are on similar wavelengths in that one way or another these rebalances needed to happen and will happen.

It's up to you to have the change that I have provided you to make compromises so you can potentially have some say to lessen its impact

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Sounds good to what? The clip reduction for faster reload?

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You want Mephs opinion?

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AlsoI keep reiterating myself because the facts haven't changed.


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You want Mephs opinion?

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AlsoI keep reiterating myself because the facts haven't changed.


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Not taking sides in this, but the staff can never win.
What do you think would happen if we reduced the price of the BAR? - people would demand refunds and complain about our refund policy

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Originally Posted by Vendhin

Not taking sides in this, but the staff can never win.
What do you think would happen if we reduced the price of the BAR? - people would demand refunds and complain about our refund policy

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I don't think it should be refunded personally that doesn't seem realistic. But at the moment it's obviously not worth 200k. So in that case it's reasonable to restore the old stats. Even prior to the nerf if wasn't that great of a weapon. I feel any stat alterations after should be done by a group. Simple things like him removing auto from psg his justification was people are lazy/it's not like that in reality is not coming from someone of reasonable judgment. Some people can only afford one top tier weapon like I said previously. Not me personally but people who have posted on here and people in the game etc.


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Originally Posted by Vendhin

Not taking sides in this, but the staff can never win.
What do you think would happen if we reduced the price of the BAR? - people would demand refunds and complain about our refund policy

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Instead of a refund you could give them a butterfly knife with a special effect.