READ- Weapon Rebalancing

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Originally Posted by Prancer

Name - BAR
Freeze - 0.2
Firerate - 0.3 0.28
Spread - 0.08 0.05
Clip - 20 12
Reload - 0.5
Bullets - 1
Auto - Y
Stacked - N

Willing to give 8 less bullets for faster rof and less spread

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I agree on the fire rate stat here
Though i think you're over doing the spread, 0.065 is a between solution
And if a clip reduction needs to be deducted then 12 is too low, 16 is fine

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Originally Posted by jaxwashere

I don't think it should be refunded personally that doesn't seem realistic. But at the moment it's obviously not worth 200k. So in that case it's reasonable to restore the old stats. Even prior to the nerf if wasn't that great of a weapon. I feel any stat alterations after should be done by a group. Simple things like him removing auto from psg his justification was people are lazy/it's not like that in reality is not coming from someone of reasonable judgment. Some people can only afford one top tier weapon like I said previously. Not me personally but people who have posted on here and people in the game etc.


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Nope. They shouldn't. It's going to upset the fairness of the game.

It's either they add an additional feature like the ability to put the weapon at the back or laser or lights.



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Originally Posted by lyk12345

Nope. They shouldn't. It's going to upset the fairness of the game.

It's either they add an additional feature like the ability to put the weapon at the back or laser or lights.



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That would keep the weapons functionality exactly the same. Your a hypocrite saying not to be judgmental yet calling everyone who doesn't support the nerf losers your opinions not valid.


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Originally Posted by jaxwashere

I don't think it should be refunded personally that doesn't seem realistic. But at the moment it's obviously not worth 200k. So in that case it's reasonable to restore the old stats. Even prior to the nerf if wasn't that great of a weapon. I feel any stat alterations after should be done by a group. Simple things like him removing auto from psg his justification was people are lazy/it's not like that in reality is not coming from someone of reasonable judgment. Some people can only afford one top tier weapon like I said previously. Not me personally but people who have posted on here and people in the game etc.


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And that's where I stop bothering if that's really what you think

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

And that's where I stop bothering if that's really what you think

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Your clearly going to do what you want regardless. Fact of the matter is the gun cost $70 were talking value something you clearly don't understand in proportion to functionality.


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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

You've repeated the same thing on this thread more times than there have been actual compromises made. You don't want another gun admin you want someone biased by iTunes who wouldn't want things nerfed for their own personal sake.
You want 2 gun admin opinions? Well this thread already has them from myself and meph and both of them are on similar wavelengths in that one way or another these rebalances needed to happen and will happen.

It's up to you to have the change that I have provided you to make compromises so you can potentially have some say to lessen its impact

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Sounds good to what? The clip reduction for faster reload?

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Yes faster reload pls

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

And that's where I stop bothering if that's really what you think

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You made a big mistake and you clearly know it, but you can't drop it even though you already lost in the argument. You just couldn't admit to the community what you did was exactly wrong. People like Lyk who couldn't even clearly see the true situation of the matter wouldn't obviously understand.

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Are the board of staffs here in ERA really ok with this? Why don't you ask them honestly what they really think of what you did.

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Originally Posted by lyk12345

Nope. They shouldn't. It's going to upset the fairness of the game.

It's either they add an additional feature like the ability to put the weapon at the back or laser or lights.



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As for you, you shouldn't really meddle with things you don't even understand.

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Originally Posted by Sho Minazuki

You made a big mistake and you clearly know it, but you can't drop it even though you already lost in the argument. You just couldn't admit to the community what you did was exactly wrong. People like Lyk who couldn't even clearly see the true situation of the matter wouldn't obviously understand.

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Are the board of staffs here in ERA really ok with this? Why don't you ask them honestly what they really think of what you did.

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As for you, you shouldn't really meddle with things you don't even understand.

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No I didn't make a mistake and I don't intent to revert it. Want to know other staffs opinions then go actually read through the thread and see what those who posted have said.

You can't critize someone as 'not being able to understand' when you have given no context or backing to prove that you know more than he does.


You paid for your gun your gun you don't want it nerfed. Fair enough but that is not a reason for gameplay to be left untampered when you have a significant balance gap between mid tier and high tier guns. If you can't accept that there was a SIGNIFICANT unfair advantage then it's pointless arguing as you will always stick to that as a way of justifying the price you paid for it. Just because you paid more for a gun doesn't and shouldn't mean that the gun that cost less has a 1/10 chance of winning against it. The gun that costs more should obviously have a SLIGHT advantage but not one that can't be overcome by a more skilled player.
Work with the change or keep complaining and see nothing change.

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

No I didn't make a mistake and I don't intent to revert it. Want to know other staffs opinions then go actually read through the thread and see what those who posted have said.

You can't critize someone as 'not being able to understand' when you have given no context or backing to prove that you know more than he does

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Of course I wouldn't honestly expect that you of all people and the others who supports your idea would even understand the words I am saying. Why don't you go back through the topics that you didn't managed to understand and try to comprehend what the majority really thinks of this justice of yours.

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Originally Posted by Sho Minazuki

Of course I wouldn't honestly expect that you of all people and the others who supports your idea would even understand the words I am saying. Why don't you go back through the topics that you didn't managed to understand and try to comprehend what the majority really thinks of this justice of yours.

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Yet again you have said nothing to prove you know anything. "You don't and will never understand what I am saying" is the biggest cop out excuse for 'I have no real argument but you're still wrong and the reason why you are wrong I don't need to explain because you can't comprehend it'

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

Yet again you have said nothing to prove you know anything. "You don't and will never understand what I am saying" is the biggest cop out excuse for 'I have no real argument but you're still wrong and the reason why you are wrong I don't need to explain because you can't comprehend it'

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That's rich coming from you.

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You can carry out your pride all you want, but you ruined your dignity with the mistake you did.

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Originally Posted by Sho Minazuki

That's rich coming from you.

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You can carry out your pride all you want, but you ruined your dignity with the mistake you did.

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Still waiting for you to point out the thing myself and anyone else who doesn't think the guns should have been changed don't see

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

Still waiting for you to point out the thing myself and anyone else who doesn't think the guns should have been changed don't see

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Find the answer yourself, after all. It's all in the previous pages.

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

Still waiting for you to point out the thing myself and anyone else who doesn't think the guns should have been changed don't see

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Or perhaps your too blind or just really ignorant to understand what the community's opinion about the matter?

There's so much people complaining, and going all towards BitzSam. Every shooter game have a balance between guns, some become the new meta and others are not used too much as before. The problem here is that this game hasn't got any balance in years, and the players are got used to the meta and it's hard for them to rely on skill now.

Instead of going towards BitzSam, why don't you make a reply with the gun stats that you suggest to have?

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Originally Posted by Sho Minazuki

That's rich coming from you.

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You can carry out your pride all you want, but you ruined your dignity with the mistake you did.

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Why are you so arrogant thinking that you know the most here?

If you cannot and do not understand the reasons that's been given for the change, then whats the point attempting to put everyone down here and claim that you know the most?

To me it just sound pretty much self-centered and deluded.

The environment is too competitive for players to actually survive and if the guns aren't actually modified such that the playing field is made even more fair, more players will quit and this unfairness will make this game meaningless.

You can argue that you paid for a good firepower and so there's no reason to change but you have to consider in the context of the game because the player base has increased and so somethings must be compromised.

Maybe you are concerned the reduced firepower will make it difficult to kill, but the player base has increased so even with reduced firepower, there will be more players to win/kill. It's actually a compromise for the good of the game but that doesn't affect your potential for kills/wins.


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Originally Posted by D12*

There's so much people complaining, and going all towards BitzSam. Every shooter game have a balance between guns, some become the new meta and others are not used too much as before. The problem here is that this game hasn't got any balance in years, and the players are got used to the meta and it's hard for them to rely on skill now.

Instead of going towards BitzSam, why don't you make a reply with the gun stats that you suggest to have?

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I understand where your coming from. But he made the changes himself so should deal with the repercussions himself. Also some of our arguments is the stats shouldn't have been changed in the first place.


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Bar got another balance. Clip went from 20 to 15 but in favor we gained a faster reload. I guess this is a bad move Sam. Either increase a bit of fire rate or spread please....

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Originally Posted by Archer Savage

Bar got another balance. Clip went from 20 to 15 but in favor we gained a faster reload. I guess this is a bad move Sam. Either increase a bit of fire rate or spread please....

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It got that change based on a suggestion from this thread. Nobody said anything when it was discussed against it so I implemented it

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Originally Posted by Sho Minazuki

Ironic huh.

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What's ironic is you calling his stats ironic as an attempt to prove the point that his stats mean he can't have an opinion when you have 1/5th of his kills.

30000 kills is enough kills to have an opinion. Even at 10000 I would say that is enough. Eras gameplay is not a complex system, you don't need 200k-500k kills to have the most 'valid' opinion as your experiences are no difference to theirs. All it comes down to is how much you play/ how powerful your guns are.
Kills don't mean anything in this game anymore with the amount of account sharing that goes on, with multiple people getting kill counts up on a singular account.

Saying that he isn't allowed to have an opinion and trying to ridicule him because he has a different and arguable more logically reasoned than those counter arguments is just another tactic to try devalue what he had to say because you have no actual response. It's pretty childish behaviour, not that, that is unexpected but you can't try and argue a point that these changes are unreasonable when so are the points and attitudes most of you have had

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

No I didn't make a mistake and I don't intent to revert it. Want to know other staffs opinions then go actually read through the thread and see what those who posted have said.

You can't critize someone as 'not being able to understand' when you have given no context or backing to prove that you know more than he does.


You paid for your gun your gun you don't want it nerfed. Fair enough but that is not a reason for gameplay to be left untampered when you have a significant balance gap between mid tier and high tier guns. If you can't accept that there was a SIGNIFICANT unfair advantage then it's pointless arguing as you will always stick to that as a way of justifying the price you paid for it. Just because you paid more for a gun doesn't and shouldn't mean that the gun that cost less has a 1/10 chance of winning against it. The gun that costs more should obviously have a SLIGHT advantage but not one that can't be overcome by a more skilled player.
Work with the change or keep complaining and see nothing change.

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I tried suggesting things to you but you kept ignoring me lol, the only gun that caused a problem was bar, all you had to do was make the damage 9 and everything would be fine.. instead you've practically made guns like Vector, Bar, P2ks and Mtar useless

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Originally Posted by jaxwashere

I understand where your coming from. But he made the changes himself so should deal with the repercussions himself. Also some of our arguments is the stats shouldn't have been changed in the first place.


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Arguments? The only argument- non plural is that you spent money on the guns. So what? I've already explained why that is not a reasoning against the guns being brought down to give lower tier- skilled gun users an advantage. The guns were too strong in comparison with the majority of the other guns in the game, if you say otherwise then you are simply biased because you bought them.
I'm in this position because I am unbiased. You can say 'there needs to be more people making the decisions' but guess what those people would also have to be unbiased and therefore the same conclusion will be reached.

I paid for most of the high tier guns such as bar, shipka, pbp myself. I didn't get those guns for free and yet I am willing to put aside the fact that I paid for them, be unbiased and balance them for the benefit of gameplay as a whole

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Originally Posted by Xur

I tried suggesting things to you but you kept ignoring me lol, the only gun that caused a problem was bar, all you had to do was make the damage 9 and everything would be fine.. instead you've practically made guns like Vector, Bar, P2ks and Mtar useless

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I've explained multiple times why you can't nerf the 2 strongest guns and then leave the other guns. Doesn't take much common sense to see that if the 2 best guns are brought down, so do similar guns so that those guns don't just replace them as they'd become statistically better.

I've only ignored your suggestions if they were the same repetitive argument i've answered 100 times or if they were for biased reasonings such as you suggesting me ingame to buff the p2ks (and after looking at your account I happened to see that you had just reached 100k kills so suprise suprise why you would want those buffed now that you can buy them).

The only valid suggestion i've seen you make is the cripple cannon which I have already implemented by reducing its knockback potential from 50% to 10%

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

Arguments? The only argument- non plural is that you spent money on the guns. So what? I've already explained why that is not a reasoning against the guns being brought down to give lower tier- skilled gun users an advantage. The guns were too strong in comparison with the majority of the other guns in the game, if you say otherwise then you are simply biased because you bought them.
I'm in this position because I am unbiased. You can say 'there needs to be more people making the decisions' but guess what those people would also have to be unbiased and therefore the same conclusion will be reached.

I paid for most of the high tier guns such as bar, shipka, pbp myself. I didn't get those guns for free and yet I am willing to put aside the fact that I paid for them, be unbiased and balance them for the benefit of gameplay as a whole

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You claim to be unbiased but your response to people spending money on weapons and the fact they are devalued is so what. That speaks for itself your biased and discriminate towards people who grind for shells or spend real life currency. The fact you don't value spending money doesn't take into consideration the people that do. The hypocrisy is incredible in your statement.

You fail to realize that your opinion alone is not the only one that needs to be taken into consideration. Just because you say something is too powerful or too weak doesn't make it so.

700 replies but apparently nothing is wrong.

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

It got that change based on a suggestion from this thread. Nobody said anything when it was discussed against it so I implemented it

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You never said you were considering the idea hence the reason why 'Nobody said anything'. The NEXT time you are considering and idea make it clear you want feedback on it because we can never tell if your serious or not. (Honestly I thought the nerf was a joke and then you said it was staying that way)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't we say no when BiTzSam trying nerfing the BAR? Something about removing Perfect Shape...

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Originally Posted by AliGamer911

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't we say no when BiTzSam trying nerfing the BAR? Something about removing Perfect Shape...

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I would prefer that idea other this any day.

At this point, it should be clear that the logic behind all this isn't correct, so why is this still an argument and not reset and reworked yet?

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Originally Posted by GenoIndeed

At this point, it should be clear that the logic behind all this isn't correct, so why is this still an argument and not reset and reworked yet?

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The only ones talking are the ones complaining, the others are enjoying their gameplay

We'll continue to "complain" since this all still wasn't fair or properly done.

That cc nerf was mean. I suggest to make it AT LEAST 20-25%

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

Arguments? The only argument- non plural is that you spent money on the guns. So what? I've already explained why that is not a reasoning against the guns being brought down to give lower tier- skilled gun users an advantage. The guns were too strong in comparison with the majority of the other guns in the game, if you say otherwise then you are simply biased because you bought them.
I'm in this position because I am unbiased. You can say 'there needs to be more people making the decisions' but guess what those people would also have to be unbiased and therefore the same conclusion will be reached.

I paid for most of the high tier guns such as bar, shipka, pbp myself. I didn't get those guns for free and yet I am willing to put aside the fact that I paid for them, be unbiased and balance them for the benefit of gameplay as a whole

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I've explained multiple times why you can't nerf the 2 strongest guns and then leave the other guns. Doesn't take much common sense to see that if the 2 best guns are brought down, so do similar guns so that those guns don't just replace them as they'd become statistically better.

I've only ignored your suggestions if they were the same repetitive argument i've answered 100 times or if they were for biased reasonings such as you suggesting me ingame to buff the p2ks (and after looking at your account I happened to see that you had just reached 100k kills so suprise suprise why you would want those buffed now that you can buy them).

The only valid suggestion i've seen you make is the cripple cannon which I have already implemented by reducing its knockback potential from 50% to 10%

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I'm not trying to be biased, I never really used bar I just knew that the 10 damage was a pain to fight against in spar as it's 5 shot vs 6 shot.

And I think you have the wrong person, cause I have 249k kills and have had P2ks for like 2 years.

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

It got that change based on a suggestion from this thread. Nobody said anything when it was discussed against it so I implemented it

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What's ironic is you calling his stats ironic as an attempt to prove the point that his stats mean he can't have an opinion when you have 1/5th of his kills.

30000 kills is enough kills to have an opinion. Even at 10000 I would say that is enough. Eras gameplay is not a complex system, you don't need 200k-500k kills to have the most 'valid' opinion as your experiences are no difference to theirs. All it comes down to is how much you play/ how powerful your guns are.
Kills don't mean anything in this game anymore with the amount of account sharing that goes on, with multiple people getting kill counts up on a singular account.

Saying that he isn't allowed to have an opinion and trying to ridicule him because he has a different and arguable more logically reasoned than those counter arguments is just another tactic to try devalue what he had to say because you have no actual response. It's pretty childish behaviour, not that, that is unexpected but you can't try and argue a point that these changes are unreasonable when so are the points and attitudes most of you have had

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Keep the 15 clip lmao pls I love the reload and the ROF isnt even bad LMAO if you tap you can shoot it fast

Does the Cripple Cannon nerf apply for green mode too?

Okay amidst this argument might I suggest a buff to neo rifle? Sure it looks cool and it's cheapish but maybe it should have like a clip of 3, I really don't think 2 is enough for practical use unless you can lead your shots to an almost unsettling level, or be dangerously up close.

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Originally Posted by Lazerlatte

Okay amidst this argument might I suggest a buff to neo rifle? Sure it looks cool and it's cheapish but maybe it should have like a clip of 3, I really don't think 2 is enough for practical use unless you can lead your shots to an almost unsettling level, or be dangerously up close.

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I think I'm getting a good deal with the neo rifle even with that 2 clip size, since you're getting a knife + a 8 dmg gun for that much, though it would be a plus with 3 instead of 2

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Originally Posted by Lazerlatte

Okay amidst this argument might I suggest a buff to neo rifle? Sure it looks cool and it's cheapish but maybe it should have like a clip of 3, I really don't think 2 is enough for practical use unless you can lead your shots to an almost unsettling level, or be dangerously up close.

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Would be too good for the price at only 5.5k if that happened. It's a 10 damage gun with fairly low freeze and a good firerate, the low clip and reload it all that's holding it back. That extra bullet would make a fairly large difference

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Originally Posted by D12*

Does the Cripple Cannon nerf apply for green mode too?

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Yes you can't specify damage effects to modes in a gun unless it's explosive

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

It got that change based on a suggestion from this thread. Nobody said anything when it was discussed against it so I implemented it

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What's ironic is you calling his stats ironic as an attempt to prove the point that his stats mean he can't have an opinion when you have 1/5th of his kills.

30000 kills is enough kills to have an opinion. Even at 10000 I would say that is enough. Eras gameplay is not a complex system, you don't need 200k-500k kills to have the most 'valid' opinion as your experiences are no difference to theirs. All it comes down to is how much you play/ how powerful your guns are.
Kills don't mean anything in this game anymore with the amount of account sharing that goes on, with multiple people getting kill counts up on a singular account.

Saying that he isn't allowed to have an opinion and trying to ridicule him because he has a different and arguable more logically reasoned than those counter arguments is just another tactic to try devalue what he had to say because you have no actual response. It's pretty childish behaviour, not that, that is unexpected but you can't try and argue a point that these changes are unreasonable when so are the points and attitudes most of you have had

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I didn't even said anything about his stats, I only said "Ironic", is because of his status saying "All who complains about the nerf are loser". Get your facts right please.

Keep this thread about the discussion of the new gun stats, not verbal bickering amongst each other. If you are truly serious about the balance change then look at the Original Post and alter the stats given instead of telling Sam to simply revert the changes. You can count the number of players who gave stat suggestions on one hand out of 72 pages, and those stat changes were considered.

Name - M8a1
Freeze - 0.175
Firerate - 0.4 0.35
Spread - 0.16 0.12
Clip - 16
Reload - 0.35
Bullets - 1
Auto - Y
Stacked - N

Can i see the stats of the bar that buff yesterday?

Name - BAR
Freeze - 0.2
Firerate - 0.24 0.3
Spread - 0.062 0.08
Clip - 20
Reload - 0.35 0.5
Bullets - 1
Auto - Y
Stacked - N

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Name - BAR
Freeze - 0.2
Firerate - 0.24 0.3
Spread - 0.062 0.08
Clip - 20
Reload - 0.35 0.5
Bullets - 1
Auto - Y
Stacked - N

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No lol, Bar clip turn into 15 then bar reload is medium and the firerate was increased i wanna know about the new stats