Base Remodel

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Originally Posted by BAW Zephlyn

Lol;) don't cry...
You can't just say it's "better." What makes it better and what are advantages and disadvantages. I stated the advantages and disadvantages in my post and you simply said no old one was better. That's your argument. You need facts and proof to back it up. It's better for the gang holding the base obviously because they can spam 2 people down the halls and with no hit timer nobody will ever be able to reach the end of the hall. It would take like 3-5 seconds to get to the end Of the hall, then round the corner and enter flag room will take another 4. And it takes 2-3 seconds to kill someone. How is that "better"?

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You've basically described your own design, with old bbz you can work your way in with grenades etc (there was also a soda machine entrance depending on how old you're talking) whereas your base is 2 hallways with no ability to work your way in you'd just get cut down really fast. With your version attackers have no manuverabe space at all when they enter the flag room unlike the old version and they'd instantly get cut down whereas the old version you'd be able to slowly take over the hallways strategically.

Pz is fine just make the flag room entrance wider so that you can't block it with 3 people melee box.

Bbz definitelly needs to be changed to what it used to be a year ago. Idk why was it even changed, was a stupid idea.

If we went back to the old bbz it would be great for the gang holding it. However, I feel it would be impossible to take it. The hallways were really long and by the time you run all the way up them your dead
Does anyone have a picture of the old bbz?

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Originally Posted by Alan Harper

Pz isn't very rusher friendly imo it has some decent choke point areas whereas bh and bbz have like one choke point which is a double door on both sides of the flag and these doors are not good enough of a choke point for preventing rushing.

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I noticed spamming bar theough pz hallways will actually take 4-5 to completely secure. There's rushers that get through the bar spam, laggers, and people spamming grenades at the flag. I think those door entrances should be a bit bigger even trying to defend it.

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Originally Posted by BAW Zephlyn

If we went back to the old bbz it would be great for the gang holding it. However, I feel it would be impossible to take it. The hallways were really long and by the time you run all the way up them your dead
Does anyone have a picture of the old bbz?

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The thing is there was never any problems of people complaining it was too hard to take old bbz. These complaints only arose when people talked about changing it back. There were no super bad problems with the old one and it worked well.

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Originally Posted by BAW Zephlyn

Lol;) don't cry...
You can't just say it's "better." What makes it better and what are advantages and disadvantages. I stated the advantages and disadvantages in my post and you simply said no old one was better. That's your argument. You need facts and proof to back it up. It's better for the gang holding the base obviously because they can spam 2 people down the halls and with no hit timer nobody will ever be able to reach the end of the hall. It would take like 3-5 seconds to get to the end Of the hall, then round the corner and enter flag room will take another 4. And it takes 2-3 seconds to kill someone. How is that "better"?

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There you go BAW I'd like to see you come up with a counter argument against Alan Harpers advantages and disadvantages I would have stated those myself idk where you got the idea of the old BBZ being hard to take when it would be much better than the layout you created because your layout would get people to die much much faster easier to defend it and almost impossible for gangs to take BBZ with your layout like I said people will just get bars and do a wall block the whole two door width and spam their bars and both left and right sides you can practically call it boosting your kills at that rate. What are the advantages and disadvantages to both sides of the party with your layout?

change gangster zone and pz

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Originally Posted by weTaru

change gangster zone and pz

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What are your reasons for doing so? Input helps coop out if you have any ideas to share as to why.

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Originally Posted by Ventus

What are your reasons for doing so? Input helps coop out if you have any ideas to share as to why.

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Just ignore them they probably want graal basing to suck lol.

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Originally Posted by Grandpa Illusions

Just ignore them they probably want graal basing to suck lol.

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Well why would Coop make basing suck more? There are plenty of reasons above for changing certain reasons although I do agree with Ventus

Lethal needs a Re-Make, BH and BBZ too.

I'm fine just with a Re-Make of Lethal. It really sucks.

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Originally Posted by Orlando

Lethal needs a Re-Make, BH and BBZ too.

I'm fine just with a Re-Make of Lethal. It really sucks.

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Nuu, lethal is just fine. Another entrance for it is just needed. It's spacing is unique and it presents a challenge for any gang to hold. Yes, almost all flag rush in that base but the rushers are almost always forced to shoot at those killing them, lol.

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Originally Posted by Ricky

Nuu, lethal is just fine. Another entrance for it is just needed. It's spacing is unique and it presents a challenge for any gang to hold. Yes, almost all flag rush in that base but the rushers are almost always forced to shoot at those killing them, lol.

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That's why I hate it =(

Attachment 7740this is just a quick sketch of how I think a hall of a base should look like there many ways to get to the exit and entrance and more ways to defend more strategies to use instead of just spam requires skill. Also guns wont be able to shoot through the entrance walls to no cornering or camping. Just an idea looks more warehouse or gangster like in a real mafia base

um lets make something like this

Lethal: Should be more big, a more long entrance and something to avoid this flag rush, maybe some doors to slow the flag rushers and need more entrances

Guerre/Emines: Very little, can easily be defended and hard to take the base.

Blazian Bandits: WHY THE HELL IT CHANGED ?! the old design was very good, just add hit timer and don't make the way to walk very long

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Originally Posted by Banshee

Attachment 7740this is just a quick sketch of how I think a hall of a base should look like there many ways to get to the exit and entrance and more ways to defend more strategies to use instead of just spam requires skill. Also guns wont be able to shoot through the entrance walls to no cornering or camping. Just an idea looks more warehouse or gangster like in a real mafia base

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Originally Posted by Kirito

There you go BAW I'd like to see you come up with a counter argument against Alan Harpers advantages and disadvantages I would have stated those myself idk where you got the idea of the old BBZ being hard to take when it would be much better than the layout you created because your layout would get people to die much much faster easier to defend it and almost impossible for gangs to take BBZ with your layout like I said people will just get bars and do a wall block the whole two door width and spam their bars and both left and right sides you can practically call it boosting your kills at that rate. What are the advantages and disadvantages to both sides of the party with your layout?

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Not sure why this is a hostile argument? The reason I say the old bbz would be bad because there was hallways in that and with no hit timer you could easily spam down them. Does anyone have a picture of the old bbz?
And I agree bh does need changed. I originally thought it was fine but now looking at it, it's way to easy to rush.

Attachment 7741 there's a pic @baw

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Originally Posted by Alan Harper

Attachment 7741 there's a pic @baw

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That is better.

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Originally Posted by Daniel 123

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It's meant to show the basic layout of entrances and different hallways to the flag room.

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Originally Posted by Ventus

It's meant to show the basic layout of entrances and different hallways to the flag room.

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The attachment that Banshee posted doesn't work. When you click on it, it says its invalid.

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Originally Posted by BAW Zephlyn

Not sure why this is a hostile argument? The reason I say the old bbz would be bad because there was hallways in that and with no hit timer you could easily spam down them. Does anyone have a picture of the old bbz?
And I agree bh does need changed. I originally thought it was fine but now looking at it, it's way to easy to rush.

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You say you can easily spam them down with the old layout because of the hit timer? Well think about the layout you made as well you can easily spam them down and there's no way to use bombs like in the old layout and the present layout. Plus it's not a hostile argument you simply stated i "obviously" never seen the old layout of BBZ and i stated back what i stated back then you said "lol don't cry..." Hostile enough for you? I'm only stating what's better and your here being hostile. That's all there is to it. Plus, Alan stated the disadvantages to the layout you made. I even added a bit to it.

Attachment 7742there

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Originally Posted by Banshee

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Couldn't see your other picture but bases like the picture you just uploaded would cease the spam and it would make basing more interesting and fun. Except making the whole picture 3 ways to get to the other side with the two black lines as is with the walls at the top and bottom of the picture. SNK you should really consider adding bases like this or (lazer tag) obstacles-wise.

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Originally Posted by Rozen S

The attachment that Banshee posted doesn't work. When you click on it, it says its invalid.

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That's odd, it's working for me

Well it isn't now, but it was when he said it wasn't earlier.

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Ok so here is what I mean. Back on the day when we had this design, it was alright because there was a hit timer. So you could make it to the top of the hall ways and make it into the flag room. Now without the hit timer inside bases, running up that hallway would be automatic death. Here in the picture I showed what would just happen. A few guys standing at the corners and of you get by the first person there is still the other 2. The circles are where they stand and arrows are what way they shoot. Just a little visual to show what I mean. Even if they go through the coke entrance way, you will just get shot down quickly.
I'm not saying bbz is good how it is. It's to rusher friendly, much like bh. They both need changed but ight now it's to hard to hold, we wouldn't want to go to far in the other direction and make it to hard to take.
Thanks for pic btw Alan.

Coop, you should of included some type of poll where we can choose what bases.

BAW you're not taking into consideration making a game plan, Equiptment like grenades, snipers which shoot through the doors and walls etc. It honestly wouldn't be as hard to take as you're making it out to be.

All of them.

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Originally Posted by Alan Harper

BAW you're not taking into consideration making a game plan, Equiptment like grenades, snipers which shoot through the doors and walls etc. It honestly wouldn't be as hard to take as you're making it out to be.

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bombs wouldn't even be able to reach the people. In the picture. The people inside flag room, when bombs get thrown they just move up slightly. If a sniper comes. The one shooting down hall way steps aside untk door is destroyed and spams bar again until sniper dies. What game plan is gonna get you by a streak of bullets without a hit timer. Imagine a bar or mini or flame spamming down the hall way. The base could easily be held with 6 people and fairly easy with 4. There has to be some sort if middle so that it doesn't take 15 to hold and takes more than 4-6.

If you have lets say 7 online, if your people arent dumb and can listen to orders you can lead them the way so that the attackers outnumber the defenders so eventually the guard of the hall dies and the attackers take over it. Idk why are you complaining but imo bbz was a great base lol I still remember knights of honor camp there in 2011

Usually as soon as the attackers control the hallway, some rush and/or rain grenades into the flag room. It wasn't that tough to take BBZ. Also don't do that soda secret entrance, it ruined positioning for the guy in the left hallway.

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Originally Posted by BAW Zephlyn

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Ok so here is what I mean. Back on the day when we had this design, it was alright because there was a hit timer. So you could make it to the top of the hall ways and make it into the flag room. Now without the hit timer inside bases, running up that hallway would be automatic death. Here in the picture I showed what would just happen. A few guys standing at the corners and of you get by the first person there is still the other 2. The circles are where they stand and arrows are what way they shoot. Just a little visual to show what I mean. Even if they go through the coke entrance way, you will just get shot down quickly.
I'm not saying bbz is good how it is. It's to rusher friendly, much like bh. They both need changed but ight now it's to hard to hold, we wouldn't want to go to far in the other direction and make it to hard to take.
Thanks for pic btw Alan.

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Really? BBZ was one of the most strategic type of bases one of my favorites until remodeled into the present layout

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Originally Posted by Cudislagne

Wth change Blackholst back to where it was one door!

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Originally Posted by Duke

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Never lmao one door causes too many lag abusers to do invincibility.

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Originally Posted by Ricky

Bases without two entrances into the flag room need it. These include Mafia, GZ, and PZ. Even though the traps were recently nerfed, two or more people can still sit on either side of the trap and just spam their melee. This is easily remedied with two entrances. Since you are only choosing two bases, I'd say Gz and Pz.

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Gangster:
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There are other problems but I'll let other people take it away :)

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Agreed.

Take a tour firts to Era pc and watch the bases levels,get an idea or better yet copy them lol

Seriously iera bases need to promote better gameplay,rather than just sit on a spot,spam and wait for others to crash into your bullet wall.

Like Ganster Zone get 15+, spam the entrance and hallway and thats it,base its almost impenetrable,wheres the skill in that?
The other rooms of ganster Zone are pretty much useless,as they dont provide any tactical options to approach the flag,i guess iEra bases consist more on spamming bottleneck points,rather than pk skill.

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Originally Posted by manbearpig

Take a tour firts to Era pc and watch the bases levels,get an idea or better yet copy them lol

Seriously iera bases need to promote better gameplay,rather than just sit on a spot,spam and wait for others to crash into your bullet wall.

Like Ganster Zone get 15+, spam the entrance and hallway and thats it,base its almost impenetrable,wheres the skill in that?
The other rooms of ganster Zone are pretty much useless,as they dont provide any tactical options to approach the flag,i guess iEra bases consist more on spamming bottleneck points,rather than pk skill.

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Completely agree with you although I've never seen PC version of era's bases

Personally, I say change BBZ back to its former design. It was perfect as it was already. If you would argue with the fact of spammers, just add back that secret passage again.

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Originally Posted by Rozen S

Usually as soon as the attackers control the hallway, some rush and/or rain grenades into the flag room. It wasn't that tough to take BBZ. Also don't do that soda secret entrance, it ruined positioning for the guy in the left hallway.

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Actually it would have been tough for the attackers to take the base away from the defenders in some cases. For example(not to hate on them), take Candy for instance, a bar, pbp, and a m4 on both side of the hallway shooting down while the remainder members are either healing the shooters or spamming their naplam or grenades down the hallway and whatnot. This wouldn't be impossible but would take forever for the attackers to just take control of the hallway. But if people are really worry about that, I suggest you also bring back the secret passage with the old base design.
*bring back old BBZ design*

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Originally Posted by Kirito

Never lmao one door causes too many lag abusers to do invincibility.

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Lmao what? I think our devices that we currently have can take on that layout. I see where you're getting this "lag" from but it was simply because back then we still had iPod 2-4's lol. But i think it's a good strategic base as well, and our devices should be able to take it on.