Christmas Presents - Gun and Melees discussion

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Originally Posted by Dope

Winter Staff,

why would you pick butterfly knife? knowing its not going to be tradeable, also keep in mind that it has the exact same stats as the hunter knife / kiwi knife. The Winter Staff firstly heals you; making it a lot more useful because i'm sure a lot of people have a high damage knife already but most dont have a healing item, therefor making it useful. Also the fact that its Xmas related less it in theme and is in with a good shout, oh well the idiotic voice of the uninformed users speak louder than the words of a knowledgeable user.

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What I've been trying to say.

I feel like most people voting aren't even reading the thread (as indicated bye everyone asking for a gold gun despite the thread specifically stating not to ask for it)- therefore assuming that they're asking for a tradeable butterfly knife with skins which is not the case

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Originally Posted by Vendhin

I don't really think items should be limited to a certain number in the presents.

The problem i see with this is that there's a good chance that the presents would hit the limit within hours of presents being able to be opened- disadvantaging those from non-european timezones. I understand why people want a limit but if we want it to be fair to everybody there shouldn't be a limit in my opinion.

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That's true but on the other hand if there isn't a limit then more people get to have it which detracts the rarity of it.
As proven by the golden desert eagle item from last year, which had a 5% chance to obtain and yet the majority of people opening presents got one eventually, with most of them getting it dual, so effectively having got it twice.

With guns it isn't a huge deal since you can buy the non gold version counterpart, but for melees, specifically the rares you can't buy, and so their value is in their look.
If the reward item was a Christmas themed HW Dagger (that only has 3-4 in game) and it didn't have a limit then theoretically a large portion of players would be able to obtain it eventually. And then it detracts from the actual item as people want something nobody else has. Even if they have an untradeable Christmas themed version, if say 700 people had it, the item would no longer be special

How about a crossbow... idk... i just dk

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

What I've been trying to say.

I feel like most people voting aren't even reading the thread (as indicated bye everyone asking for a gold gun despite the thread specifically stating not to ask for it)- therefore assuming that they're asking for a tradeable butterfly knife with skins which is not the case

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That's true but on the other hand if there isn't a limit then more people get to have it which detracts the rarity of it.
As proven by the golden desert eagle item from last year, which had a 5% chance to obtain and yet the majority of people opening presents got one eventually, with most of them getting it dual, so effectively having got it twice.

With guns it isn't a huge deal since you can buy the non gold version counterpart, but for melees, specifically the rares you can't buy, and so their value is in their look.
If the reward item was a Christmas themed HW Dagger (that only has 3-4 in game) and it didn't have a limit then theoretically a large portion of players would be able to obtain it eventually. And then it detracts from the actual item as people want something nobody else has. Even if they have an untradeable Christmas themed version, if say 700 people had it, the item would no longer be special

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Then don't have anything in the presents system that you want to keep rare.

If you want a system that's fair to everyone and not just those in europe and certain areas of the middle east then you'll have to have items in there that you're happy to have flooded into the server because it's going to happen.

If you put restrictions or item limits on them be prepared for a lot of complaints because the proportion of rare guns/items will almost certainly be skewed to like 90% in one time zone. I know it's not your fault or decision but i feel like it should be developments duty to keep it fair and balanced, being lucky because you live in the same timezone as the manager is not fair.

We've seen in the past how quickly the "rare" items in the presents appear- if there IS a limit, it will be hit within hours. The people who buy 450 of each colour will open them one-by-one and get pretty much everything in the loot table more than once.

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Originally Posted by Vendhin

Then don't have anything in the presents system that you want to keep rare.

If you want a system that's fair to everyone and not just those in europe and certain areas of the middle east then you'll have to have items in there that you're happy to have flooded into the server because it's going to happen.

If you put restrictions or item limits on them be prepared for a lot of complaints because the proportion of rare guns will almost certainly be skewed to like 90% in one time zone. I know it's not your fault or decision but i feel like it should be developments duty to keep it fair and balanced, being lucky because you live in the same timezone of the manager is not fair.

We've seen in the past how quickly the "rare" items in the presents appear- if there IS a limit, it will be hit within hours. The people who buy 450 of each colour will open them one-by-one and get pretty much everything in the loot table more than once.

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Can confirm it's a silly idea.

I won a gold item myself that one time (Golden Souizen), it happens.

Oh well, Self-Open Present is not legal anymore but G4G someone else then chance get "scammer" & that's okay who players got scammed also including hijacker gifts.

If Donald Trump wants become legal to Self-Open Present? I will be fair.

Nah Just kidding for Trump.

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Originally Posted by Vendhin

Then don't have anything in the presents system that you want to keep rare.

If you want a system that's fair to everyone and not just those in europe and certain areas of the middle east then you'll have to have items in there that you're happy to have flooded into the server because it's going to happen.

If you put restrictions or item limits on them be prepared for a lot of complaints because the proportion of rare guns/items will almost certainly be skewed to like 90% in one time zone. I know it's not your fault or decision but i feel like it should be developments duty to keep it fair and balanced, being lucky because you live in the same timezone as the manager is not fair.

We've seen in the past how quickly the "rare" items in the presents appear- if there IS a limit, it will be hit within hours. The people who buy 450 of each colour will open them one-by-one and get pretty much everything in the loot table more than once.

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Speaking for the Asia/Oceania players, I really support this-^

Of all people, Sam, you live in Australia, then you should truly understand the situation. In all honesty, what you say is true, Sam. This is much like the items like Blitzens Hammer, whereas almost everyone from the time was getting it. However, the increasing/decreasing playerbase will only make this item even rarer.

If you're going to have a limited availability of the item, you might as well have it impossibly rare.

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Originally Posted by Dope

Winter Staff,

why would you pick butterfly knife? knowing its not going to be tradeable, also keep in mind that it has the exact same stats as the hunter knife / kiwi knife. The Winter Staff firstly heals you; making it a lot more useful because i'm sure a lot of people have a high damage knife already but most dont have a healing item, therefor making it useful. Also the fact that its Xmas related less it in theme and is in with a good shout, oh well the idiotic voice of the uninformed users speak louder than the words of a knowledgeable user.

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No lol
Butterfly knife is way better
And why not make it tradable ?
Last year rageblade was tradable

The items distributed last year (Rage Blade, Souizen or w/e gun it was) was evenly split across all time zones.

I understand limiting it - but what me and Sam want to accomplish are:

• An item which players are happy with
• An item which isn't going to dramatically change the econemy

By offering a melee which can't be traded fixes this - but also giving it a new skin also fixes this.

Gun: Spectre Or Steyr AUG
Melee: Winter / Frozen skin of Butterfly Knife

I would like to see many skins for the butterfly knife that are winter related. Maybe players can only get one of these skins so they can have something that they cannot change .

So make either a lot of winter skins for the knife SO players can have some uniqueness from their presents.

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Originally Posted by snk

The items distributed last year (Rage Blade, Souizen or w/e gun it was) was evenly split across all time zones.

I understand limiting it - but what me and Sam want to accomplish are:

• An item which players are happy with
• An item which isn't going to dramatically change the econemy

By offering a melee which can't be traded fixes this - but also giving it a new skin also fixes this.

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Snk didnt u say to use other thread .-.

no? this is the discussion thread.

How about (since its the anniversary of mobile era) -december-
there can be a special item (only 10 will be given)

which could be the OG m4?

In honest opinion, I don't think a winter themed butterfly knife would look good. We should have something iconic in Era, something loved, which is why I switched my vote to Winter Umbrella.

I have an idea to resolve this. Maybe if someone could actually make the Butterfly knife in a winter theme, we could vote on the aesthetic appeals, because everyone is obviously voting for butterfly knife as it's an ultra in the trade system.

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Originally Posted by ItzTerry

In honest opinion, I don't think a winter themed butterfly knife would look good. We should have something iconic in Era, something loved, which is why I switched my vote to Winter Umbrella.

I have an idea to resolve this. Maybe if someone could actually make the Butterfly knife in a winter theme, we could vote on the aesthetic appeals, because everyone is obviously voting for butterfly knife as it's an ultra in the trade system.

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Honestly, a winter umbrella would be super dope. You should look into this! BUT, a winter butterfly knife... that would be insanely awesome lols :)

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Originally Posted by ItzTerry

In honest opinion, I don't think a winter themed butterfly knife would look good. We should have something iconic in Era, something loved, which is why I switched my vote to Winter Umbrella.

I have an idea to resolve this. Maybe if someone could actually make the Butterfly knife in a winter theme, we could vote on the aesthetic appeals, because everyone is obviously voting for butterfly knife as it's an ultra in the trade system.

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Yes. I think the underlying principle for those who are asking for a butterfly knife is (as you mentioned) looking to trade it for a profit in the trade system.

snk, you mentioned that you wanted something that would be cherished as an item, NOT an item that would be given away for quick gralats.

IF it ends up that people want butterfly knife that badly, the only course of action that you could take would make it non tradeable, which I suppose people can get around by trading accounts, even though that's stupid.

Also, keep in mind that if these "ultra rare" items are being spread evenly across time zones, you might not even get one regardless of whether or not you buy max amounts of presents and this issue might end up not even affecting you.

guys please choose between rage blade or winter staff

A rescinded rage blade, make it rare so it's still good and not for novelty

Why are there alot of requests for the Butterfly knife to be in presents?

Have something more rare, like a Christmas skinned Egyptian staff.

I agree with Gold Candy Bazooka.

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Originally Posted by Bulletzone

Why are there alot of requests for the Butterfly knife to be in presents?

Have something more rare, like a Christmas skinned Egyptian staff.

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maybe, beacuse of the skins??

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Originally Posted by Dr.iKyle

I agree with Gold Candy Bazooka.

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maybe, beacuse of the skins??

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No probably for the profit at trade.

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Originally Posted by Dr.iKyle

I agree with Gold Candy Bazooka.

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maybe, beacuse of the skins??

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The present melee is a seperate item.
If you are voting for butterflyknife because you think you will be able to trade it/ use the skins the actual butterflyknife has you may want to change your vote because that isn't the case.
Which is why you'd be better off voting for the melee that has an effect (umbrella/ rage blade) as melees like the HW dagger, butterflyknife, and other melees that are just an attack melee are basically just hunter knife/ katana reskins.

I would like Rage Blade in presents

Winter umbrella

Shipka

How about we set up the time for when presents will be open so we don't have to argue over the amount of the special item given away. This way people will know when to get on to open presents.

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Originally Posted by SwatHalo

How about we set up the time for when presents will be open so we don't have to argue over the amount of the special item given away. This way people will know when to get on to open presents.

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Different timezones is the problem.

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Originally Posted by SwatHalo

How about we set up the time for when presents will be open so we don't have to argue over the amount of the special item given away. This way people will know when to get on to open presents.

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That seems like a good idea in practice, but that's assuming that people can be online to do so. Just because iEra sets a present opening time doesn't mean everyone can make it. That's similar to having auctions.

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Originally Posted by thyme

That seems like a good idea in practice, but that's assuming that people can be online to do so. Just because iEra sets a present opening time doesn't mean everyone can make it. That's similar to having auctions.

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Originally Posted by snk

The items distributed last year (Rage Blade, Souizen or w/e gun it was) was evenly split across all time zones.

I understand limiting it - but what me and Sam want to accomplish are:

• An item which players are happy with
• An item which isn't going to dramatically change the econemy

By offering a melee which can't be traded fixes this - but also giving it a new skin also fixes this.

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econemy? Lmao yea umbrellas are more expensive than houses, its like the great depression, we have to dig day and night to afford a berlla. what economy are you talking about? most items in "Graal Database" do not even exist anymore due to players quitting and stuff.

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Originally Posted by Sam051966

econemy? Lmao yea umbrellas are more expensive than houses, its like the great depression, we have to dig day and night to afford a berlla. what economy are you talking about? most items in "Graal Database" do not even exist anymore due to players quitting and stuff.

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Yea it sucks when they quit and they don't pass on their items; therefore, making it impossible for us to obtain.

well trading is different, players control trading, admins can't do much to change it expect for minor things like adding new items or changing the price of the tables but anyway i'm getting a little bit off topic here, You guys decide and i will accept whatever you guys chose.

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Originally Posted by Sam051966

well trading is different, players control trading, admins can't do much to change it expect for minor things like adding new items or changing the price of the tables but anyway i'm getting a little bit off topic here, You guys decide and i will accept whatever you guys chose.

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I think it's better not being trade able due to the fact it keeps it's rarity and is balanced in the game.

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Originally Posted by Sam051966

well trading is different, players control trading, admins can't do much to change it expect for minor things like adding new items or changing the price of the tables but anyway i'm getting a little bit off topic here, You guys decide and i will accept whatever you guys chose.

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I don't really think that's completely true. Players control what we've set. Staff definitely have control over trading as say there's an expensive item all we have to do is release more and then that price will decline. How many are added in the first place also define the price.

If butterfly knife wins it probably won't be given the trick hotkey since the animation doesn't effect the weapons stats but since the normal butterfly knife has skins, a winter themed one would be too similar to it that it would probably take the novelty away from
The knife and reduce its price if it was exact. It's still have the flips/ sheathe just not the trick which is basically just all of those combined into one animation.


To reiterate once again, butterfly knife is basically a fancy hunter knife/ katana- it doesn't have stacked damage and it doesn't kill faster than the other melees (all melees except the slow two handed ones are the same stats).

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

I don't really think that's completely true. Players control what we've set. Staff definitely have control over trading as say there's an expensive item all we have to do is release more and then that price will decline. How many are added in the first place also define the price.

If butterfly knife wins it probably won't be given the trick hotkey since the animation doesn't effect the weapons stats but since the normal butterfly knife has skins, a winter themed one would be too similar to it that it would probably take the novelty away from
The knife and reduce its price if it was exact. It's still have the flips/ sheathe just not the trick which is basically just all of those combined into one animation.


To reiterate once again, butterfly knife is basically a fancy hunter knife/ katana- it doesn't have stacked damage and it doesn't kill faster than the other melees (all melees except the slow two handed ones are the same stats).

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What would happen if it was winter staff, meaning stat wise. Would it have the same 'heal rate' as a normal heal staff in EC shop?

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Originally Posted by NicholasGraalOnlineEra

What would happen if it was winter staff, meaning stat wise. Would it have the same 'heal rate' as a normal heal staff in EC shop?

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It would be the same heal rate as whatever the current winters staffs is

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

It would be the same heal rate as whatever the current winters staffs is

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Oh ok thanks!
Wish you a Merry Christmas :)

I whould like the Odachi katana on the presents instead Butterfly knife

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Originally Posted by NicholasGraalOnlineEra

What would happen if it was winter staff, meaning stat wise. Would it have the same 'heal rate' as a normal heal staff in EC shop?

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Winter staff, rage blade, egypt staff, space staff, ec staffs all have the same heal rate...

snk can you plz help with something im having problems

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Originally Posted by shliki

snk can you plz help with something im having problems

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If you're having problems, make a thread or a ticket. Please do not disrupts current threads.

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Originally Posted by shliki

snk can you plz help with something im having problems

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Did you know sending private message to snk actually works. instead derailing the thread >.>