#RemoveKnockbackFromExplosives

I actually haven't heard him say a single positive thing on these forums

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Originally Posted by rorriM

I actually haven't heard him say a single positive thing on these forums

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It is very difficult to hear what he is saying. Seeing what he has typed is a lot easier. Try it.

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Originally Posted by rorriM

I think you both have problems accepting when you have lost an arguement
@unofficial that's what people at when they run out of arguments.
@Greg I think you are failing to see the big picture,the reason knockback is OP is because it traps people, therefore reason 2 could work. Reason 1 is a long term fix because it would cause spamming to be less effective but still an option. Reason 3 could work because it's makes trapping people with ac almost impossible. If one is stuck in a tight space than that's their fault and could just as easily be killed by a pbp as an ac.

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No, actually, you really are the worst arguer. Sorry to say, but the truth is just too damn real to reject.

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Originally Posted by Lord Greg

It is very difficult to hear what he is saying. Seeing what he has typed is a lot easier. Try it.

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You aren't funny.


Honestly I'm sick of all this childish crap. You seriously read every other word I say, then act like you heard both sides. Knockback doesn't need to be removed, it can be fixed. None of you have actually presented a valid argument, all you do is whine and whine about how you got your butts kicked by ac. Well maybe if Youd actually post an intelligent argument I will listen, but as long as all you do is post incomprehensible bull crap, I'm done.
I've tried multiple times to get you to realize neither side can change the others minds, so just give up, ok?
The only people to say anything reasonable are mystic and snk, the rest of you act like 9 year olds who can't accept the fact that they lost to an ac.

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Originally Posted by rorriM

You aren't funny.


Honestly I'm sick of all this childish crap. You seriously read every other word I say, then act like you heard both sides. Knockback doesn't need to be removed, it can be fixed. None of you have actually presented a valid argument, all you do is whine and whine about how you got your butts kicked by ac. Well maybe if Youd actually post an intelligent argument I will listen, but as long as all you do is post incomprehensible bull crap, I'm done.
I've tried multiple times to get you to realize neither side can change the others minds, so just give up, ok?
The only people to say anything reasonable are mystic and snk, the rest of you act like 9 year olds who can't accept the fact that they lost to an ac.

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Knock-back* You'd* a bunch of 9 year old kids* okay*

Lol, yeah man. He is very funny.

Ok guys stop with the bashing on eachother, it's extremely annoying how a thread that has some good debateable content goes out the window when you start flaming eachother.

Any other ways that it could be "fixed" without completely removing it other than what was stated above? Imo I don't think they'd work, but we haven't exactly had a chance to try them so not sure. I know Sam said on graalians that he may be able to do something with ac, probably with permission.

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Originally Posted by rorriM

You aren't funny.


Honestly I'm sick of all this childish crap. You seriously read every other word I say, then act like you heard both sides. Knockback doesn't need to be removed, it can be fixed. None of you have actually presented a valid argument, all you do is whine and whine about how you got your butts kicked by ac. Well maybe if Youd actually post an intelligent argument I will listen, but as long as all you do is post incomprehensible bull crap, I'm done.
I've tried multiple times to get you to realize neither side can change the others minds, so just give up, ok?
The only people to say anything reasonable are mystic and snk, the rest of you act like 9 year olds who can't accept the fact that they lost to an ac.

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Oh yeah I whine because I lose to AC not because they truly are OP. If they were not OP I wouldn't complain. You keep saying how you don't want to continue this argument yet you still reply.

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Originally Posted by rorriM

You aren't funny.


Honestly I'm sick of all this childish crap. You seriously read every other word I say, then act like you heard both sides. Knockback doesn't need to be removed, it can be fixed. None of you have actually presented a valid argument, all you do is whine and whine about how you got your butts kicked by ac. Well maybe if Youd actually post an intelligent argument I will listen, but as long as all you do is post incomprehensible bull crap, I'm done.
I've tried multiple times to get you to realize neither side can change the others minds, so just give up, ok?
The only people to say anything reasonable are mystic and snk, the rest of you act like 9 year olds who can't accept the fact that they lost to an ac.

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You haven't presented a valid argument because you haven't explained to us how it can be fixed when you've been asked but thanks for saying I'm acting like a 9 year old.

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Originally Posted by rorriM

You aren't funny. Honestly I'm sick of all this childish crap. You seriously read every other word I say, then act like you heard both sides. Knockback doesn't need to be removed, it can be fixed. None of you have actually presented a valid argument, all you do is whine and whine about how you got your butts kicked by ac. Well maybe if Youd actually post an intelligent argument I will listen, but as long as all you do is post incomprehensible bull crap, I'm done. I've tried multiple times to get you to realize neither side can change the others minds, so just give up, ok? The only people to say anything reasonable are mystic and snk, the rest of you act like 9 year olds who can't accept the fact that they lost to an ac.

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Your arguments are now invalid as you already gave up.

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Originally Posted by Alan Harper

you haven't explained to us how it can be fixed

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Actually I did. I provided 3 alternative solutions to the problem.

Whatever it is, it shouldn't be removed. I think it's a good addition in Era.

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Originally Posted by *DaScientist

Whatever it is, it shouldn't be removed. I think it's a good addition in Era.

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Are you talking about knockback in general or explosive knockback, or explosive knockback from AC (yes they're different) because knockback should be completely removed from ac, or like snk said, making it ramdom.

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Originally Posted by Mystic

Ok guys stop with the bashing on eachother, it's extremely annoying how a thread that has some good debateable content goes out the window when you start flaming each other.

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Ya know what guys? Mystic is completely right. Let's just stop fighting.

It definitely needs to be tweaked. With the AC, it should be gone completely. On the explosive freebie items, it should be toned down. It should throw you a shorter distance, the freeze should be hardly existant, and if it throws you, it should do maybe 1 damage. You're likely to get screwed over either way, so why not make it to where you either get screwed with initial damage, or being thrown in to a volley of bullets, instead of both. It's a great tool to get rid of campers, but it does its job too well.

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Originally Posted by rorriM

Actually I did. I provided 3 alternative solutions to the problem.

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Nvm didnt see that.

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Originally Posted by CoRR

It definitely needs to be tweaked. With the AC, it should be gone completely. On the explosive freebie items, it should be toned down. It should throw you a shorter distance, the freeze should be hardly existant, and if it throws you, it should do maybe 1 damage. You're likely to get screwed over either way, so why not make it to where you either get screwed with initial damage, or being thrown in to a volley of bullets, instead of both. It's a great tool to get rid of campers, but it does its job too well.

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So if I'm understanding this right, you think a hand thrown projectile should have knock back, but a firearm that's practically a RPG shouldn't? I think if u could get the 27 ecs to get the ac, u should be entitled to its perks. Yea it has knock back and burn,but the freeze rate is freakin huge. I don't hear anyone complaining that the katana is super fast and can take a base solo in 15 seconds.

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Originally Posted by Dragongraaleralovestimo

So if I'm understanding this right, you think a hand thrown projectile should have knock back, but a firearm that's practically a RPG shouldn't? I think if u could get the 27 ecs to get the ac, u should be entitled to its perks. Yea it has knock back and burn,but the freeze rate is freakin huge. I don't hear anyone complaining that the katana is super fast and can take a base solo in 15 seconds.

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The fact that it has high freeze doesn't balance it when every other aspect of it is outrageously OP. I own an ac as well.

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Originally Posted by Dragongraaleralovestimo

So if I'm understanding this right, you think a hand thrown projectile should have knock back, but a firearm that's practically a RPG shouldn't? I think if u could get the 27 ecs to get the ac, u should be entitled to its perks. Yea it has knock back and burn,but the freeze rate is freakin huge. I don't hear anyone complaining that the katana is super fast and can take a base solo in 15 seconds.

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AC previously never had knockback on it until knockback was added on with the mines and such. Most of the items that cause explosive knockback aren't OP like the ac. Not saying this because I don't have ac, because I do and I don't like it having knockback.

And about the katana, of course it can't unless people are just sitting there talking through gang chat not paying attention.

A basic sword can own a katana IF used right -_-' it isn't as good as you think. Just sexy

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Originally Posted by Kamiroo Wolf

A basic sword can own a katana IF used right -_-' it isn't as good as you think. Just sexy

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Katana is the second best melee behind chaplain.

Depends on the user

a katana can kill people in like 2-3 secounds. if theres only 2-3 people deffending the base, and 2 are killed, a katana can take the base before the defenders can get back. personally, i dont like the chaplain.

I disagree with you guys, the knock back brings more of an edge to the game.

Even if they got rid of the knock back it still wouldn't help with the laggers, so why get rid of it?

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Originally Posted by Distorted

I disagree with you guys, the knock back brings more of an edge to the game.

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i agree

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Originally Posted by Distorted

I disagree with you guys, the knock back brings more of an edge to the game.

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AC was a good weapon. Now it is an OP weapon that freezes an opponent. That is not an edge.