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Originally Posted by jeni

That is not at all why the rules were amended. You make this seem so personal and there is just no reason for me to want to affect you on any individual basis. I was asked to adjust the "grandfather" rule because it was creating more confusion than value for the majority of the playerbase and staff. The rule was always there no hats/glasses. I am sorry you are disappointed and I understand that; however, I can assure you this is nothing personal.

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ow so its just an coincidence that it got changed when i brought up my complaint?

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Originally Posted by jeni

That is not at all why the rules were amended. You make this seem so personal and there is just no reason for me to want to affect you on any individual basis. I was asked to adjust the "grandfather" rule because it was creating more confusion than value for the majority of the playerbase and staff. The rule was always there no hats/glasses. I am sorry you are disappointed and I understand that; however, I can assure you this is nothing personal.

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Jeni-is it correct to say the rule is there so people don't add gang hats or is there a different reason?

bandanas are aloud but not glasses why is that?

The hat rule and what is and is not acceptable was in place well before I was staff so I would be guessing at the reasons behind some of the rules. To me if we sell something in-game, it is pretty obvious why we would not want to allow it free on customs. Some of the smaller bandanas were allowed in compromise I think and because we did not sell something entirely similar at the time.

Yes Simplest, your complaint did get to snk and he reviewed the rules again. After a discussion with the management team we deemed the way it was worded caused too much confusion and it was not really feasible to search logs for each upload date so we opted to amend the rules. The change was not personal on you; however, it was the catalyst for additional discussion and decision.

" Heads with hats such as gasmasks or other hats similar to what we sell in iEra"

similar head or hats is not aloud but mine isnt even similar and im saying hats coz u consider glasses as hats

"Heads with glasses" not personal huh?

I was told before by keuronako that the rule was in place to prevent gang hats from being used. I don't see why the upload admins can't just look at the head and see that there is obviously no gang hat on it.

Similar to what we sell in iEra.
Glasses similar to the ones you had on your custom head are sold in era, so this is the most likely reason for the head being illegal.

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Originally Posted by failure

Similar to what we sell in iEra.
Glasses similar to the ones you had on your custom head are sold in era, so this is the most likely reason for the head being illegal.

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This is one of those fun to abuse(for lack of a better word) rules. I have had countless heads with hats that are fine because they aren't in era ;j

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Originally Posted by failure

Similar to what we sell in iEra.
Glasses similar to the ones you had on your custom head are sold in era, so this is the most likely reason for the head being illegal.

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similar? yes its similar in some way but what do u expect glasses to look likes thats the only similarities on my glasses and the glasse era sells

Simplest "glasses" is not even close to how era has them on sale(shades).
Their just big, but not covering the eyes of it or any black pixels on. It's just the shape of a glasses- there isn't anything on it other than that.
"Hats on heads", that's one small step of unacceptable custom.

How are glasses a hat?

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Originally Posted by Master BAW

How are glasses a hat?

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*facepalm*

Glasses are an accessory...just like bandanas and scarfs. You can't create new rules saying glasses are not allowed but other accessories are allowed. I'm not really on anyone's side I am just saying it how I see it.

I'm making the hair on my head a flame :p before this they allowed it but idk now...

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Originally Posted by XSTARX

Simplest "glasses" is not even close to how era has them on sale(shades).
Their just big, but not covering the eyes of it or any black pixels on. It's just the shape of a glasses- there isn't anything on it other than that.
"Hats on heads", that's one small step of unacceptable custom.

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yea, my glasses are nore like sticks stuck in my face >.<

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Originally Posted by Master BAW

Glasses are an accessory...just like bandanas and scarfs. You can't create new rules saying glasses are not allowed but other accessories are allowed. I'm not really on anyone's side I am just saying it how I see it.

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ikr glasses hats and bandanas are all accesorries so i duno why my glasses is not aloud.
well actualy this might be the reason why glasses are banned but not bandans maybe coz only some people have glasses on their heads that means not a lot of refunds but if they also ban bandanas it will lead to more refunds wich staff isnt very keen on doing so they just let it off

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Originally Posted by Simplest

no they gave me fulk refund then gave me another 20k

and yes i dont care about that 20k ilk rather have my head back

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Simplest, I've never really seen you before but lol that makes me laugh:p

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Originally Posted by Grandpa Illusions

Simplest, I've never really seen you before but lol that makes me laugh:p

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XD!

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Originally Posted by Master BAW

How are glasses a hat?

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hat
hat/Submit
noun
1.
a shaped covering for the head worn for warmth, as a fashion item, or as part of a uniform.

According to the dictionary, glasses are a hat.

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Originally Posted by rorriM

hat
hat/Submit
noun
1.
a shaped covering for the head worn for warmth, as a fashion item, or as part of a uniform.

According to the dictionary, glasses are a hat.

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ow so in real life i can go.to a hat shop and ask if they sell glasses and they wont think im retarded?

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Originally Posted by rorriM

hat
hat/Submit
noun
1.
a shaped covering for the head worn for warmth, as a fashion item, or as part of a uniform.

According to the dictionary, glasses are a hat.

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Lol! Glasses are not a hat. They are an accessory. Just like scarfs. Bandanas. Earrings.

Not according to the dictionary.

Glasses are devices used to help vision, and are worn on the face. The face is part of the head. Glasses are therefore worn on the head, as are hats. Technically, glasses can be classified as both an accessory and a hat. Scarfs are worn around the neck, a bandana is worn on the head (so technically a hat) and ear-rings are jewelry, so they are an accessory.

"Head covering of any of various styles, used for warmth, fashion, or religious or ceremonial purposes,..." That's another definition of hat. Glasses can be used for fashion and for legitimate health correction. It's both an accessory and it's a hat.

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Originally Posted by CoRR

Glasses are devices used to help vision, and are worn on the face. The face is part of the head. Glasses are therefore worn on the head, as are hats. Technically, glasses can be classified as both an accessory and a hat. Scarfs are worn around the neck, a bandana is worn on the head (so technically a hat) and ear-rings are jewelry, so they are an accessory.

"Head covering of any of various styles, used for warmth, fashion, or religious or ceremonial purposes,..." That's another definition of hat. Glasses can be used for fashion and for legitimate health correction. It's both an accessory and it's a hat.

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If your argument is glasses are worn on the head, so they are a hat. Then earings are on the head. That's a hat then. Bandanas are on the head. How is that not a hat. If you create a scarf and make it on the head it's on the head. Plus graal people don't have knecks

Oh I was not aware hats are worn for warmth

To me it sounds like ser was wrong and snk knew it so he tried to pay simplest off to not make it a big deal and then simplest made it a big deal so they took it all away

btw uploaded a head that had a bandama around mouth and was like keeping warmth was asking for full refund and ser told me sorry that is allowed i was laik wtf 0.o

btw dont have jenis head a hairbandama to hold hair back isnt this a fashion item?

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Originally Posted by weTaru

To me it sounds like ser was wrong and snk knew it so he tried to pay simplest off to not make it a big deal and then simplest made it a big deal so they took it all away

btw uploaded a head that had a bandama around mouth and was like keeping warmth was asking for full refund and ser told me sorry that is allowed i was laik wtf 0.o

btw dont have jenis head a hairbandama to hold hair back isnt this a fashion item?

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another point boom

Could ser please post why he refunded it? After simplest had the head for like a year or so and nobody did anything.

That's the whole point- why did he do this now. If he didn't, this wouldn't be a mishap.

Well as wetaru said snk must have thought ser was wrong so was giving extra money to keep quiet so people don't know ser was wrong and riot against him. Because I know for a fact 100% sure not every admin agrees with this but they will mever say because they must have each other's back and could lose their job for speaking out against top admins.

Lolz

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Originally Posted by rorriM

*facepalm*

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Why are you face palming? He's right, glasses are not hats.

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Originally Posted by XSTARX

That's the whole point- why did he do this now. If he didn't, this wouldn't be a mishap.

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i didnt do anything bad to ser so i have no i dea why hes doing this

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Originally Posted by Unofficial Era News

Why are you face palming? He's right, glasses are not hats.

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You wear them on your head. By definition they are hats.

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Originally Posted by Master BAW

If your argument is glasses are worn on the head, so they are a hat. Then earings are on the head. That's a hat then. Bandanas are on the head. How is that not a hat. If you create a scarf and make it on the head it's on the head. Plus graal people don't have knecks

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Ear-rings are not on the head, as I said. The ear is not part of the head, it's an attachment of the head. And besides that, they do not currently serve any other purpose than looking pretty, and they're classified as jewelry. Jewelry is an accessory as I already said.

If we're talking graal standards, anything worn or put on the head is a hat. By Graal standards, a beaver is a hat.

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Originally Posted by rorriM

You wear them on your head. By definition they are hats.

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So earrings and bandanas are hats as well. Delete every head with them ASAP because simplest was singled out. You guys say it's not personal but it sure does sound personal unless you guys plan to delete other heads that have "hats"

hello, First, i dont hate simplest or something like that, for me all the players are the same on era, second heads with hats are allowed, when we speak about hats we talk about hats or accesories that we sell it on era, we sell glasses on era, that's mean we can't approve simplest head or others heads with glasses.
we had a rule about grandfathered heads, this rule is so hard to check because we need to check all the logs to know when the head was uploaded and if we need to do that with all heads will waste time ineccesary. Jeni said already that the management deparment decided to delete this rule, so we can't approve heads with glasses or hats.
i hope you understand that, I'm just doing my job i dont hate any player..

-Ser

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Originally Posted by Master BAW

So earrings and bandanas are hats as well. Delete every head with them ASAP because simplest was singled out. You guys say it's not personal but it sure does sound personal unless you guys plan to delete other heads that have "hats"

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As ser said above. If there's a hat ingame, any head with that hat is not allowed. And earring's are acceptable. 1. There's nothing like it ingame, and 2. That's an accessory (yes I know glasses are not hats, but they have them ingame).

This is why they shouldn't have let hats be on heads at all imo. Sure it's nice to have something on that isn't ingame, but if people make a big commotion over a bandana that is legal (and a hat) compared to glasses on the face (which isn't a hat, and is ingame as one) just get rid of the rule. Or make it more straightforward with the head rules the first time, and there wouldn't be too many people getting their heads deleted after all this time, not attacking anyone on it, I'm just saying to avoid stuff like this again.

But I guess that's your guys' rule, so goodluck on fixing it so it won't have to change anymore.

Now simplest needs to get a better head without glasses and not to get it deleted a year later..