Weapon Stat Changes (Old)

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

I never said firerate makes a gun more powerful, I said the steampunk has probably the slowest firing rate in the game and that it's not better than the kap40. If you buy kap40 for 40-45k whatever it is your getting an m4/ sten with a lower clip and slightly slower firerate.

And iceman i'm still trying to figure out what point you're trying to make, obviously you still seem to be hugely effected by the 0.03 change, which I justified, and now are trying to say steampunk is better?
Basically all your argument is going to accomplish is a nerf to the steampunk if it's 'better' than all the guns priced up to 40k which i'm not convinced it is. Sure some people who are actually good might be able to win with it but that goes for several others (uzis, handgun, neo rifle, ap7s, mk23s to name a few).


Anyway I added a skin for the m4 and pdwsd in fort knox and buffed the p2ks dual firerate by 0.015

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What are you saying lol? Kap is destroyed by steampunk easily.

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Oh yea and the Scorpion Evo is like 55k and has tachi scorpion stats, needs a buff badly

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Originally Posted by Fuze

What are you saying lol? Kap is destroyed by steampunk easily.

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Thank You. I knew I wasn't going crazy bitz argument on enough skill can make any gun deadly is not valid because it takes less skill to win with a steampunk then it does with kap40. No I don't want you to nerf steampunk it is one of the very few guns left that new players can learn skill with. You should just make kap back to its old stats, nobody ever complained about kap40 being op so why fix something not broken.

any updates on sten? seems to have more freeze..

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

I never said firerate makes a gun more powerful, I said the steampunk has probably the slowest firing rate in the game and that it's not better than the kap40. If you buy kap40 for 40-45k whatever it is your getting an m4/ sten with a lower clip and slightly slower firerate.

And iceman i'm still trying to figure out what point you're trying to make, obviously you still seem to be hugely effected by the 0.03 change, which I justified, and now are trying to say steampunk is better?
Basically all your argument is going to accomplish is a nerf to the steampunk if it's 'better' than all the guns priced up to 40k which i'm not convinced it is. Sure some people who are actually good might be able to win with it but that goes for several others (uzis, handgun, neo rifle, ap7s, mk23s to name a few).


Anyway I added a skin for the m4 and pdwsd in fort knox and buffed the p2ks dual firerate by 0.015

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.015 change to the p2k's? Is that really even gonna make a difference? They still doesn't even come close to bar and cost the same amount of money. The mini gun would whoop the p2k's butt any day and those guns also cost the same. Not only do they cost the same but you need 100k kills to even be able to see where you buy the p2k's at. Just seems like the cost is the same as bar so it should be comparable to bar.

At least someone agrees.

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Originally Posted by BAW Zephlyn

.015 change to the p2k's? Is that really even gonna make a difference? They still doesn't even come close to bar and cost the same amount of money. The mini gun would whoop the p2k's butt any day and those guns also cost the same. Not only do they cost the same but you need 100k kills to even be able to see where you buy the p2k's at. Just seems like the cost is the same as bar so it should be comparable to bar.

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0.15 change is the difference in freeze between the souizen and p2ks,
P2ks dual have 0.225 fire rate, 32 clip, 0.135 freeze 0.2 reload
Souizen is 0.24-25 fire rate, 12 clip, 0.12 freeze, 0.3 reload
P2k single has 0.3 fire rate, 16 clip, 0.12 freeze, 0.15 reload.

The guns are not underpowered, that's the best you're going to get them without them becoming extremely op, imo i would have rathered the p2ks were sold at 50k each so this debate wouldn't have happened.
The guns are good, I feel op using them and tend not to use them as much, single p2k is good for spar, dual for basing, learn to dodge, if you're trying to beat a bar 1 on 1 with them in spar, relying only on firerate then you should have waiting until you got 50k more kills before buying them

Fire rates are nothing.
The freeze on the guns when shooting is what matters to spatters most.

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

0.15 change is the difference in freeze between the souizen and p2ks,
P2ks dual have 0.225 fire rate, 32 clip, 0.135 freeze 0.2 reload
Souizen is 0.24-25 fire rate, 12 clip, 0.12 freeze, 0.3 reload
P2k single has 0.3 fire rate, 16 clip, 0.12 freeze, 0.15 reload.

The guns are not underpowered, that's the best you're going to get them without them becoming extremely op, imo i would have rathered the p2ks were sold at 50k each so this debate wouldn't have happened.
The guns are good, I feel op using them and tend not to use them as much, single p2k is good for spar, dual for basing, learn to dodge, if you're trying to beat a bar 1 on 1 with them in spar, relying only on firerate then you should have waiting until you got 50k more kills before buying them

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Why not instead of balancing p2k against bar why not do the other way round? Nerf bar to balance p2k and other guns so if ur trying to 1v1 p2k you won't reply on fire rate and the bar sparer could actually learn how to dodge.

Who revived this thread lol?

it was never dead...