The BAR.

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Originally Posted by cesar calderon

that's for a while???

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Yes, as said the BAR is only temporary.
After seeing random hates and likes there's no point in making any further changes to any guns.
Since that's what you all do.

bar is shet now

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Originally Posted by Xee

The bar is now 17 clip, reduced reload, 10 damage perfect.

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The bar's reload is still normal, it isn't reduced again.
If you've noticed it, BAR is still considered a beast gun despite having 11 damage and 17 clip.
The change is still temporary though...

Damage got back to 9(10 perfect) and now it has 17 clip. also faster reload. its like from the normal and original stats of bar before, you just reduced the clip to 17 damage is still the same and reload is a bit faster, i prefer the stats yesterday with 11 damage if perfect and 15 clip(but if you can, make clip 17 with 11 dmg)

The rage is all about the clip size, although they changed the clip size from 25to 15 then to 17 wont effect you in any way due to the fact that there is a frecking fast reload now , stop wining on how u payed 200k for a 25 clip gun you didnt pay 200 k on 25 clip size you payed on a gun that now requires more skill and if u dont have that skill Deal With It the bar is great now it brings balance to the game and requires more skill.
All in all if you are complaining about bar you are complainin about how you dont have the skill to except change and the skill to play a harder game. Graal isnt a pay 2 win game and 50$ is not much considering the fact that you having a ipad, iphone to play the game you probably can afford 50$ and no one forced you to BUY the bar it was your choice so now you cant force the admins to give you a refund.

riotsss. popcorns anyone

50$ is much money.for just a virtual gun
theirs not any upgrade..oh you think that fast reload is a upgrade no.it was normally always been so fast but sam had to nerd it for some reason.
also people with no bar.you don't understand so please don't bother
anyways. a 20clip with 11dmg, and the slow reload would be nice.

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Originally Posted by Bram

50$ is much money.for just a virtual gun
theirs not any upgrade..oh you think that fast reload is a upgrade no.it was normally always been so fast but sam had to nerd it for some reason.
also people with no bar.you don't understand so please don't bother
anyways. a 20clip with 11dmg, and the slow reload would be nice.

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Weren't you complaining about the 11 damage and 15 clip earlier

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Originally Posted by Bram

50$ is much money.for just a virtual gun
theirs not any upgrade..oh you think that fast reload is a upgrade no.it was normally always been so fast but sam had to nerd it for some reason.
also people with no bar.you don't understand so please don't bother
anyways. a 20clip with 11dmg, and the slow reload would be nice.

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No matter what we do, you're going to argue it, players aren't used to change.
Spending 50 real life dollars on a game for one gun is your choice, we haven't forced anyone to buy this gun, therefor we have the right to change it, if we made people buy it then I think this argument would be valid.

Are we going to get a vote on this? It's better if all graalians get a chance to choose what they prefer to the game.

Lol I love how people are saying the bar got worse when it got buffed to 10 damage. Guys, the reduction in clip size is so insignificant, as it is made up by the super fast reload. I'm glad the bar was returned to relguar damage, but obviously for different reasons as majority of you. I want the bar to be as bad as possible,(yes I have the bar) so that other guns actually have a chance against it.

People only care about it's clip, because they want to spam all those 25 bullets before reloading.
BAR is suppose to be skilled-use, not just spamming at somebody like a maniac. Other guns can beat BAR, even a starter gun can(if you're highly skilled).
So the clip stays, but the damage to me seems redundant.

I only said 11dmg was a bad thing for events,and no point in 1v1,
And like u see its10dmg again

also I have a idea,don't change anything to the bar,
Just make the player a bit slower if they equip the bar.

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Originally Posted by Bram

also I have a idea,don't change anything to the bar,
Just make the player a bit slower if they equip the bar.

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Then whats the point in going to the gym running for 15 mins. ur idea is badder than the change to the bar.

I said for bar only.same like u go slower with the ksg shorgun,just the movement speed

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Originally Posted by Bram

I said for bar only.same like u go slower with the ksg shorgun,just the movement speed

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I know u only said it for the bar....Having a bar mean moveing fast dodgeing bullets and packing the punch not being a slow slug..

I dont see who would pay 50$ for a gun anyways.

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Originally Posted by iRockstar Canavi

No matter what we do, you're going to argue it, players aren't used to change.
Spending 50 real life dollars on a game for one gun is your choice, we haven't forced anyone to buy this gun, therefor we have the right to change it, if we made people buy it then I think this argument would be valid.

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If the item sold does not match the description then that is against consumer law. So no I don't believe you do have the right to change weapons unless you offer refunds.

Some people forgot that the BAR a light machine gun,is.

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Originally Posted by Distorted

I dont see who would pay 50$ for a gun anyways.

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60%of erA

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Originally Posted by Lord Greg

If the item sold does not match the description then that is against consumer law. So no I don't believe you do have the right to change weapons unless you offer refunds.

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You're right

60% you mean 95%

*grabs popcorn*

The BAR is still one of the best guns in game. I honestly don't mind the clip sized being reduced, as the BAR has a really fast reload time.

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Originally Posted by Vacci

Take the biggest games in F2P gaming, League of Legends, TF2, etc. They nerf and balance all the time. No one gets refunds on RP and stuff.

A GA'S job is to balance the game. There's been complaints about the BAR for years already and about how spammy AND high damage it was. It's about time the nerf came about. You should be lucky it came with balancing buffs to try to even it out. Bitzsam said this is a test, not permanent. Don't get too worried yet.

We kind of all know what a BAR is by this point in the game...

Lower standards you argue? All newer guns are lower standards in my opinion. Guns this spammy like miniguns and gm4s haven't been released before because they used to be seen as too OP. Attempts to balance through nerfs can be seen as raising the standard, aiming for a skill-based game. Not p2w.

Refusal to hear counterarguments is seen as ignorant and immature. This is a forum. It's meant for multi-way discussion, not just complaints.

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they um highered the damage btw >,>

lol i made new account and now trying to get bar with out donating

Imask u just don't understand

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Originally Posted by iRockstar Canavi

As I have said before, buying this gun was your decision, not ours, we did not force you to buy the gun with your own money. No refunds will be given. Period. Don't like this change? Don't use the gun.

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If he got the gun is to use it. You do not have to talk that way to him, being a moderator.

i think bar should stay the same.
i mean many did pay 50$ for a gun...a FAKE gun... like really don't mess around with the BAR idc if a moderator like the one who made this thread has anything to say to defend as a graalian i have a right to speak without you taking back.
just let the BAR be ok? at least let us vote about the BAR i mean you are not the one who is paying 50$ dollars for a gun you guys can just spawn in any gun you want. for free...

I want the bar to remain as it was, but from what I can, different reasons. The Bar is already OP as it is, and increasing the damage even more just makes it even more OP and makes the game less fun for me, and for a lot of people who do and don't have the bar.

Lmfao are you guys seriously complaining about this change?!?!
Imho This is like an elevated Luger, and Luger is a pretty good weapon (Well, for me since I use it a lot).

Think about it:

Higher damage
lower reload time

and you guys are complaining because they reduced the clip size?!?

YOU GUYS ARE CALLING THIS A BAD GUN BECAUSE OF THE CLIP SIZE?!?!?!?!

CLIP SIZE?!?!?!

CLIP SIZE?!?!

Hahahaha man you guys are funny.

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Originally Posted by Cudislagne

Lmfao are you guys seriously complaining about this change?!?!
Imho This is like an elevated Luger, and Luger is a pretty good weapon (Well, for me since I use it a lot).

Think about it:

Higher damage
lower reload time

and you guys are complaining because they reduced the clip size?!?

YOU GUYS ARE CALLING THIS A BAD GUN BECAUSE OF THE CLIP SIZE?!?!?!?!

CLIP SIZE?!?!?!

CLIP SIZE?!?!

Hahahaha man you guys are funny.

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Pretty sure the damage is back to normal.

^like

Read everything before you post.

i cant because of lag phone. but i read what cudislagne wrote and was laughing. what about my bar. i think it still the one of the best weapons in era so i cant say that some thing wrong. lol

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Originally Posted by Bram

Read everything before you post.

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AWE MAN. That really hurt me man.

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/sarcasm whoops.

With these stat changes, the BAR did get more a nerf than a buff, but that isn't the biggest issue here. The BAR changes have been made too late, resulting huge riot among the community. If these changes have been made sooner, the backlash wouldn't be as severe. As the era community has developed the sense of "Get the most expensive weapon in the game to win". The BAR defined era balancing of what some players like to call Pay2Win. Either Pay2Win or "Grind2Win". All what mostly mattered was that you had the most expensive weapon in the game. Drastically breaking balance between non paying player vs a paying player. If both players were skilled but had different weapons, the player with the more expensive gun would be more likely to win. That's the obvious logic of era's balancing.

In fact, BAR should have never appeared to era in the first place. For a ridiculous price with overpowered stats wasn't initially chaos for era. But it was a slow build up to where it was now. BAR won't stay rare, it will just slowly multiply. Now the BAR users have expanded greatly. The BAR, despite being one of the most expensive weapons in the game, is now one of the more common weapons in the game. Tell me the last time you went basing and never saw a BAR user.

You can earn money for making something that's practically "Pay2Win". But you can't expect positive results from your community. I don't see a reverse coming for the BAR. But the players who paid for the BAR are now affected by the results. What I advise for gun buyers is to purchase expensive weapons with extreme caution. If you think the weapon is overpowered, then don't use real money for it. There have been several overpowered guns that got nerfed. But the weapons that are underpowered get buffed too. Go for balance. Not sheer power.

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Originally Posted by BabyGhost

With these stat changes, the BAR did get more a nerf than a buff, but that isn't the biggest issue here. The BAR changes have been made too late, resulting huge riot among the community. If these changes have been made sooner, the backlash wouldn't be as severe. As the era community has developed the sense of "Get the most expensive weapon in the game to win". The BAR defined era balancing of what some players like to call Pay2Win. Either Pay2Win or "Grind2Win". All what mostly mattered was that you had the most expensive weapon in the game. Drastically breaking balance between non paying player vs a paying player. If both players were skilled but had different weapons, the player with the more expensive gun would be more likely to win. That's the obvious logic of era's balancing.

In fact, BAR should have never appeared to era in the first place. For a ridiculous price with overpowered stats wasn't initially chaos for era. But it was a slow build up to where it was now. BAR won't stay rare, it will just slowly multiply. Now the BAR users have expanded greatly. The BAR, despite being one of the most expensive weapons in the game, is now one of the more common weapons in the game. Tell me the last time you went basing and never saw a BAR user.

You can earn money for making something that's practically "Pay2Win". But you can't expect positive results from your community. I don't see a reverse coming for the BAR. But the players who paid for the BAR are now affected by the results. What I advise for gun buyers is to purchase expensive weapons with extreme caution. If you think the weapon is overpowered, then don't use real money for it. There have been several overpowered guns that got nerfed. But the weapons that are underpowered get buffed too. Go for balance. Not sheer power.

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#M4ForDays

@babyghost thank you for saying that.

With all the discussion, will bar stay like this? 17 clip, 10 damage on perfect shape and slightly faster reload?