Improving Basing

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Originally Posted by Martin

Disabling foods to hotkeys? nice
Healing staffs disabled to hotkeys
(except: Legend of Era sword, Toothbrush, Vanilla/Chocolate ice cream. They all heal "Slow")

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After you heal with healing staff, you can't move for like 1.00 so they can only heal while hiding.

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So I guess it doesn't need to be disabled.

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Originally Posted by Yogy Navy

It certainly isnt true tha basing is free hours. Of course people like banshee who fail at basing dont even know how it works thats why they support the idea. With more players basing became packed. Take ol west as an example. I often see the same gangs tripling all the time. Why? Because the server has 200 online. If you want to bring back the old basing where gangs take bases with 3 members then you should have more bases, not less. If you do make only 5 open bases though, like it was said many times, all new gangs will get absolutely no chances. But in my opinion, we should not give any perks to new gangs. Its not the system, its the leader. There are quite a few smaller gangs that are getting close to 2k. Like I didnt see menace2society a few month ago and now people recognize bh as their home base. If you focus on your goal instead of excuses, new or old, your gang will rise.

Base layout must be changed. Gz is perfect, mafia, neo, and pz are good. Tachi and bh could be a little more bigger since the player count grew. Those 2 need something like gz with a big wide hall where you have enough space to dodge and the defenders have a bottom advantage. Guerre is bad. Its just gey like theres no hall which attackers would come from its like 4 paths leading to one giant spot of open space so basicslly you recruit 26 noobs and they run from 4 sides and rush flag wih melees. Bbz is horrible. It was way better 2 years ago, I dont understand why it was changed.
Lethal is okay I guess. Its a pk base so people dont really expect to be getting hours from it.

Healing in bases should be removed. Bases should have heal boxes like neo. This would fix noob use and flag rushing. What people do these days is shoot and run the hell out of the base not to get killed; annoying as hell and must be fixed.

John's project with gang points and everything should be finished also. As far as I know, John wanted to have a kills/deaths counter for gangs that would make gangs earn points that would be spent on gang bodies, extra gang hats, additional members, and other gang stuff.


That's pretty much how you improve basing

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Im a fail at basing yet why do you warn your gang members when I show up? If you think that GZ is perfect what kind of thought process do you have? veterans of era all know that gz is good in size but lacking in layout you obviously dont know squat about basing only to beg dark killers to have peace and an agreement rofl. You say pz is good so you can get your little members to spam p2ks in those 2 narrow halls where you cant avoid bullets or damage whatsoever. So if you think you are soo good at basing then why do I only see you at PZ during the day and when iFreeze donated gz ur up there. Or when marco decides to not sleep for 48 hours he goes to bbz rofl. Please chin dont even get me started and really calling out beefy for being online 24/7 yet you take this game game a lot more serious then anyone else mr. Historian. "History" looool aight.

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Originally Posted by Noone

No, What you really need to focus on is releaseing stuff you said would be released more than a year ago, Gang wars, CountrySide, The new gangspar rooms and the new gang events, not fixing something that don't need fixing.

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Btw if you know GS2 scripting bemore then welcome to apply for a scripting job if not stfu cause you dont know about the members of the scripting team they aren't robots who spend all their days writing code like you expect them to. layerd is the only one working on countryside atm so give it a break and you can be patient.

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Originally Posted by Vendhin

So you think that if we tried improving the layout of the bases that would go a long way to "fixing" bases?
If you could give examples of where you would like bases fixed and what needs fixing that'd be handy for me to show the bossman (snk)

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Snk wont change anything to cripple ifreeze just a thought, hes gonna say GZ is fine the way it is lol meph has offered his years of insight on basing and pking but is still ignored even though hes the key to making this game fair. You want a proper idea dont listen to me or ifreeze about base layouts it will most likely be bias go to meph thats all I can say.

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Originally Posted by Banshee

pirate zone is trash why would you even think to have 2 narrow corridors that you can spam up, and the halls really? Whoever made that is pretty dumb.

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Yeah, having halls in a base is a dumb idea that's why people are making threads to bring back old bbz.

I don't base BUT this seems like a good idea because it actually requires skills, and it gets the players to actually move around instead of sitting all day in a base spamming and calling them selves 'professionals' and getting rewards for nothing. Want to know why Neo Zone isn't a success? Because it requires skills, the ability to dodge and actually run for your life instead of hiding and healing. I honestly think this would be a great idea, every time I attempt to base it's like there's not a chance. I got these spammers infront of me, same gang name. I could be the only one attacking which doesn't support me and I think most players agree with this.

The only bad thing that could happen is lag, fix that and this idea would be perfect.

For all of those saying 'Work on Country Side first' they are working, and we lack some developers to Finnish this faster so please be patient.

There's no way of changing it that will make it fair for both sides.

The other side doesn't want it fair, they want it to their advantage.
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When I said fair I meant it that both sides will agree.

Of course those who doesn't base much will agree to this idea, on the other hand those who bases a lot will disagree to it.

Simply because it's what they prefer to since they're all quite close to getting their rewards for 'most base hours'.
I even concluded it myself that basing was a terrible display to even be put into the game at first.
There will never be an idea that's approved once because of the same reasons that brings them down utterly.

I don't even see any 'improvement' other than ranting about "change the base layouts or bring back the old layouts".
That isn't what people expect to see just to improve the game...

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Originally Posted by ROCK

Yeah, having halls in a base is a dumb idea that's why people are making threads to bring back old bbz.

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Logic

old bbz was good really

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Originally Posted by MunGraalian

The other side doesn't want it fair, they want it to their advantage.
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What is your point with that picture? I don't understand what it is showing in terms of the discussion.

Change bbz and bh flag room..

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Originally Posted by ROCK

Yeah, having halls in a base is a dumb idea that's why people are making threads to bring back old bbz.

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People say that cayse the current layout is trash people wsnt big bases that you as a LAT dont provide cause you're too damn lazy to do anything but make a shop rofl, or maybe thats only what you're allowed to do. Also you misinterpreted me "narrow halls" not halls in general so please if you would study english more then you could comprehend what I was saying. The attackers have a huge advantage when you can just hide behind a wall and spam petrols and gas guns all day remove those second layer of doors. You can see that most bases have a vertical layout if we went with something more pc styled and had it horizontal things would be much more fair.

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Originally Posted by Banshee

People say that case the current layout is trash. People want big bases that you as a LAT dont provide cause you're too damn lazy to do anything but make a shop rofl, or maybe thats only what you're allowed to do. Also, you misinterpreted me. "narrow halls", not halls in general. So please if you would study english more, then you could comprehend what I was saying. The attackers have a huge advantage when you can just hide behind a wall and spam petrols and gas guns all day. Remove that second layer of doors. You can see that most bases have a vertical layout. if we went with something more pc styled and had it horizontal things would be much more fair.

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Pliz no need to be rood to rock when you dun even engleish yourself. Had to fix like 20 commas and periods to read it properly

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Originally Posted by MunGraalian

I don't base BUT this seems like a good idea because it actually requires skills, and it gets the players to actually move around instead of sitting all day in a base spamming and calling them selves 'professionals' and getting rewards for nothing. Want to know why Neo Zone isn't a success? Because it requires skills, the ability to dodge and actually run for your life instead of hiding and healing. I honestly think this would be a great idea, every time I attempt to base it's like there's not a chance. I got these spammers infront of me, same gang name. I could be the only one attacking which doesn't support me and I think most players agree with this.

The only bad thing that could happen is lag, fix that and this idea would be perfect.

For all of those saying 'Work on Country Side first' they are working, and we lack some developers to Finnish this faster so please be patient.

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You're wrong. Less bases will require less skill. Don't advocate something you don't do or understand.

And honestly I think basing is fine how it is. I also disagree with everyone who thinks other bases should adopt certain things from neo. It destroys the purpose of heal staffs and food.

Oh colin lol so lets say if we had 1 base the gang holding it would have more or less skill defending off all other basing gangs rofl. Compared to 100 bases.....please you are dumb af.

You have no idea what you're talking about. This thread has turned into a flame war. You need to decide what you want; either more opportunities for more basers or make intense, frantic, and laggy basing.

More bases but a select few only allowed at one time gives us a variety without gangs camping.

@Mods, Delete my posts too when you delete banshees tales so the thread makes sense lol

back on topic imo all bases should have a separate entrance for defenders like gz so that flag rushing attackers don't get advantage

Yet that would ruin it for attackers and make bases woth poor layouts already harder to take, flag rushers wouldn't be a problem if all bases weren't just 2-3 crappy levels.

I understand that getting gz from ifreeze is hard but no need to state an opposite opinion on everything I say lol

Ganster zone and pirate zone are just an explosive spam fest in the hallways,Gz is not perfect,simple solution copy/paste Era pc bases layout to iEra.

no.

Idek what base it is in era pc but its very mafia styled if a flag was the center of the base not the end of it I think it would be a lot more fun

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Originally Posted by Banshee

Idek what base it is in era pc but its very mafia styled if a flag was the center of the base not the end of it I think it would be a lot more fun

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Gonna have to disagree with that. And Neo is a prime example...

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Originally Posted by Collin Rosato Magus

Gonna have to disagree with that. And Neo is a prime example...

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Just wondering...why is Neo boring? Are any of the features of Neo good at all and worth bringing to another base?

Neo isnt bad.

Why is everyone hating on Neo?
It's my favorite base, It requires more than just spam.

I personally love Neo, the fact that we can't heal regularly emphasizes dodging. The large base size allows us to dodge. Also, the circle capture system balances gang size; meaning, it's easier for a smaller gang to attack and defend from a bigger gang. Plus there's not as many flag steals like the melee capture system has.

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Originally Posted by Vacci

I personally love Neo, the fact that we can't heal regularly emphasizes dodging. The large base size allows us to dodge. Also, the circle capture system balances gang size; meaning, it's easier for a smaller gang to attack and defend from a bigger gang. Plus there's not as many flag steals like the melee capture system has.

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Eh, the most annoying part in Neo is when your enemy just starts running around and stealing your Medkits (especially the ones on the far right end).
So I don't assume how that requires 'skill'?

terrible idea

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Originally Posted by Vacci

I personally love Neo, the fact that we can't heal regularly emphasizes dodging. The large base size allows us to dodge. Also, the circle capture system balances gang size; meaning, it's easier for a smaller gang to attack and defend from a bigger gang. Plus there's not as many flag steals like the melee capture system has.

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Personally I like everything about neo except the spawn feature. I do not agree however that all bases should all require the same properties that neo has. I think we should keep neo's properties to neo itself, and gangs can go base there when they want a refreshing way to base.

You need to actually dodge and stay alive instead of healing infinitely, if he gets it before you then you try harder

Neo is a very nice base, imo. Let's just remember this base was created to stop, flag rushers, and more skills are required. Also this base can be balanced for attackers and defenders.

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Originally Posted by Martin

Disabling foods to hotkeys? nice
Healing staffs disabled to hotkeys
(except: Legend of Era sword, Toothbrush, Vanilla/Chocolate ice cream. They all heal "Slow")

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I agree with your idea, but healing staff's should be allowed, because, it heal slower that the food, and many people payed 50 ec's for using it.

You can say they 'paid' but did they work for it? No.

Neo is not a good base. It's far too big; I've never had one good gang battle there. It is so boring. And isn't the purpose of this thread to find ideas on how to improve basing and make it more fun? All of you advocating neo and its system, I've never seen you there, and it makes me wonder if you have actually experienced Neo recently. The heal system bothers me a lot. You all say no food and having medkits around the base requires "more skill" than just using food. That's not necessarily the case. When I'm at neo, I'll get into a firefight with someone, and basically all they have to do is run around, going from one medkit to the next. If they were healing with food, they would freeze for a second or too and I would be able to kill them. I could definitely argue that this healing system requires "less skill" then using food.

And the spawn feature is so frustrating. Just spawn people outside of the base. Now it takes even longer to get to the flag room.

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Originally Posted by Collin Rosato Magus

Neo is not a good base. It's far too big; I've never had one good gang battle there. It is so boring. And isn't the purpose of this thread to find ideas on how to improve basing and make it more fun? All of you advocating neo and its system, I've never seen you there, and it makes me wonder if you have actually experienced Neo recently. The heal system bothers me a lot. You all say no food and having medkits around the base requires "more skill" than just using food. That's not necessarily the case. When I'm at neo, I'll get into a firefight with someone, and basically all they have to do is run around, going from one medkit to the next. If they were healing with food, they would freeze for a second or too and I would be able to kill them. I could definitely argue that this healing system requires "less skill" then using food.

And the spawn feature is so frustrating. Just spawn people outside of the base. Now it takes even longer to get to the flag room.

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You know what? Thats actually very true, when Im trying to actually take the base I fight the scrub till he reached 5 HP then he runs to the healing room near the flag and instantly gains HP so I have to fight him again.. and the respawn DOES suck.. but apart from that it still inhibits flag rushing to noobs

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Originally Posted by Collin Rosato Magus

Neo is not a good base. It's far too big I've never had one good gang battle there. It is so boring. And isn't the purpose of this thread to find ideas on how to improve basing and make it more fun? All of you advocating neo and its system, I've never seen you there, and it makes me wonder if you have actually experienced Neo recently. The heal system bothers me a lot. You all say [B]no food[B/] and having medkits around the base requires "more skill" than just using food. That's not necessarily the case. When I'm at neo, I'll get into a firefight with someone, and basically all they have to do is run around, going from one medkit to the next. If they were healing with food, they would freeze for a second or too and I would be able to kill them. I could definitely argue that this healing system requires "less skill" then using food.

And the spawn feature is so frustrating. Just spawn people outside of the base. Now it takes even longer to get to the flag room.

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He just announced the core reason why ifreeze hates this base, hes not willing to work for a base lol. supposedly the best basers in graal cant handle a base that requires skill, you are saying that Meph who has been playing 10 years knows nothig about skill and snk who implemented this onto iEra for a more pc styled base that does require skill cause you cant run and heal? Ok lol ok. Proof you just want an ez base.

neo is alright other then the top entrance tht can be blocked by 1 guy. The flag system isn't what makes neo good, it's the no healing and size of the base. All bases should be huge so they can support large number of gangs.

Pz is horribly design, no base should have tight corners and narrow paths due to the weapons available Today. No base should have 1 entrance to flag room tht is also a choke point. Also the flagrooms shouldn't be where the fighting should take place. Like gz where 90% of the fight takes place in halls.

Stop assuming one iFreeze members opinion represents us all...

I wouldn't mind if Pz halls were wider cause its true todays chem gun users are way too op in pz defense.. But honestly pz isnt that bad like its easier to defend than attack and thats exactly the opposite of guerre which i hate more than any other base