OFFICIAL- Updated Gun Stats (Old)

So, is chem still gonna good I think it's gonna be nerfed?

Still debating whether I go for Bar or minigun

Been a while now, I think most people have gotten used to the changes. I just wanted some feedback on whether there were any guns that are maybe too strong now (eg pdw sd) or could use a minor buff.

Not interested in guns that have already had their stats changed, only guns that were left untouched.

Reason I am asking this is because I want to be able to hyperthetically 'finalise' the stats of the weapons currently in the game to a point where the currently existing guns would never have to have their stats changed again and any future balancing would just be on new gun releases within the first few months or if there were any features added that effected all guns (eg increased hp- not saying that's happening just an example of what a new feature that could mean guns might need to be tweaked for).

This would mean you wouldn't have to worry about guns being changed after you buy them. I know it sucks, but the nature of how graal is (where it's an ongoing server, not a game with sequels like COD where they can just do their major rebalancing in the next game) and the fact that there have been multiple gun admins, all doing their own changes; result in a clash of gun stats where there are some guns that are OP for their price, or just overly good. (Bar, chemgun, p2k were all OP in their own rights and were each given their stats by 3 different people which is what i'm getting at).

Name - AK74u SD
Freeze - 0.175
Firerate - 0.27
Spread - 0.09
Clip - 18
Reload - 0.4
Bullets - 1
Auto - Y
Stacked - N

Name - CM901
Freeze - 0.16
Firerate - 0.245
Spread - 0.05
Clip - 0.05
Reload - 0.3
Bullets - 1
Auto - N
Stacked - N

Name - Default Rifle
Freeze - 0.185
Firerate - 0.2688
Spread - 1
Clip - 16
Reload - 0.35
Bullets - 1
Auto - N
Stacked - N

Name - Ion Pistol
Freeze - 0.1575
Firerate - 0.225
Spread - 0.11
Clip - 20
Reload - 0.3
Bullets - 1
Auto - N
Stacked - N

Name - PBP AutoRifle
Freeze - 0.12
Firerate - 0.25
Spread - 0.165
Clip - 30
Reload - 0.4
Bullets - 1
Auto - N
Stacked - N

Name - PDW SD
Freeze - 0.17
Firerate - 0.275
Spread - 0.06
Clip - 13
Reload - 0.3
Bullets - 1
Auto - Y
Stacked - N


All fast firerate especially Ion Pistol.
I'm interested in some of them, tell me which you're going to nerf.

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

Been a while now, I think most people have gotten used to the changes. I just wanted some feedback on whether there were any guns that are maybe too strong now (eg pdw sd) or could use a minor buff.

Not interested in guns that have already had their stats changed, only guns that were left untouched.

Reason I am asking this is because I want to be able to hyperthetically 'finalise' the stats of the weapons currently in the game to a point where the currently existing guns would never have to have their stats changed again and any future balancing would just be on new gun releases within the first few months or if there were any features added that effected all guns (eg increased hp- not saying that's happening just an example of what a new feature that could mean guns might need to be tweaked for).

This would mean you wouldn't have to worry about guns being changed after you buy them. I know it sucks, but the nature of how graal is (where it's an ongoing server, not a game with sequels like COD where they can just do their major rebalancing in the next game) and the fact that there have been multiple gun admins, all doing their own changes; result in a clash of gun stats where there are some guns that are OP for their price, or just overly good. (Bar, chemgun, p2k were all OP in their own rights and were each given their stats by 3 different people which is what i'm getting at).

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The AK74 needs a buff

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Originally Posted by *Lex

M16 doesn't need a 1 dmg increase, its already a great gun for its price

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Maybe the damage could be increased by 0.5.

So maybe, the guns will finalised with its new stats so, but there still some guns that has a high firerate so i agree.

Fast firerate doesn't need to be gone completely, the issue was that some guns shot too fast with no disadvantage (eg higher freeze to compensate).

Guns that were changed outside of the listed 'problem guns' were only changed so that they wouldn't become better than some of the nerfed guns eg- Morano Thompson.

Gun itself wasn't really an issue, but it would have become a much better gun for its price if it wasn't slowed down. I would like to see the morano have a faster firerate, so might bring it back in exchange for giving it slightly more freeze if people would prefer that

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You can try out the Morano now if you have it, I increased the auto firerate just added abit more freeze instead

Nerf the clip back to 20 and give it's old fire rate

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Originally Posted by JimmY1809

Nerf the clip back to 20 and give it's old fire rate

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That's not a significant enough change. 20 is still one of the highest clip sizes for 8-9 damage guns. Doing that would basically make it like an old gm4 just with more freeze and double the spread.

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

That's not a significant enough change. 20 is still one of the highest clip sizes for 8-9 damage guns. Doing that would basically make it like an old gm4 just with more freeze and double the spread.

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Nerf the metal storm

Little question off-topic question, already made this on other thread, but on here I think I will have a awnser faster. Is the P2K a fictional weapon?

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

That's not a significant enough change. 20 is still one of the highest clip sizes for 8-9 damage guns. Doing that would basically make it like an old gm4 just with more freeze and double the spread.

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I didn't got it, you're planning to give its old stats with a higher freeze?

Metal storm fine for a 150k gun its still ez to beat with bar

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

Fast firerate doesn't need to be gone completely, the issue was that some guns shot too fast with no disadvantage (eg higher freeze to compensate).

Guns that were changed outside of the listed 'problem guns' were only changed so that they wouldn't become better than some of the nerfed guns eg- Morano Thompson.

Gun itself wasn't really an issue, but it would have become a much better gun for its price if it wasn't slowed down. I would like to see the morano have a faster firerate, so might bring it back in exchange for giving it slightly more freeze if people would prefer that

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Name - Ion Carbine
Freeze - 0.14
Firerate - 0.29
Spread - 0.01
Clip - 10
Reload - 0.3
Bullets - 1
Auto - N
Stacked - N

Ion Carbine has disadvantage of low clip.

Name - Ion SMG
Freeze - 0.13
Firerate - 0.33
Spread - 0.06
Clip - 12
Reload - 0.3
Bullets - 1
Auto - Y
Stacked - N

Ion SMG has the disadvantage of low clip & moderate firerate.

Name - Ion Pistol
Freeze - 0.1575
Firerate - 0.225
Spread - 0.11
Clip - 20
Reload - 0.3
Bullets - 1
Auto - N
Stacked - N

Ion Pistols has a slightly higher freeze than Ion Carbine & Ion SMG but its still above average freeze of 0.17.

It seems no significant disadvantage when compared to Ion Carbine & Ion SMG.
Ion Carbine below average clip & 0 spread.
Ion Carbine with below average clip & firerate.

The weakness Ion Pistol doesn't seem as glaringly obvious as the other Ion Guns.

Ion Carbine & Ion SMG can be outspammed by M4s higher spread & clip but Ion Pistols can be?

Spas 12 shotgun and A-91 Added.

Name: A-91
Freeze: 0.15
Firerate: 0.345
Spread: 0.075
Clip: 25
Reload: 0.3
Bullets: 1
Auto: Y
Stacked: N

Name: Spas-12
Freeze: 0.2 | 0.4
Firerate: 0.37 | 0.55
Spread: 0.02 | 0.125
Clip: 8| 4
Reload: 0.35 | 0.42
Bullets: 4 | 6
Auto: N
Stacked: N | Y

(Spas-12 has 2 modes, Normal and Incendiary. Normal does not deal stacked damage, and does 8 damage. The Incendiary mode does 1 damage per bullet stacked, plus an additional 2 damage as a result of the burn damage which happens 100% of the time. In total if you hit all 6 shots the Incendiary mode does 11-13 damage. 4 Shots will leave them at roughly 3 hp.)

The benefit of the Incendiary mode is because of the additional burn damage, even if you only hit 1 bullet it'll still burn them for more damage than you would hitting them with 1 bullet from some higher damage stacked shotguns.

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

Spas 12 shotgun and A-91 Added.

Name: A-91
Freeze: 0.15
Firerate: 0.345
Spread: 0.075
Clip: 25
Reload: 0.3
Bullets: 1
Auto: Y
Stacked: N

Name: Spas-12
Freeze: 0.2 | 0.4
Firerate: 0.37 | 0.55
Spread: 0.02 | 0.125
Clip: 8| 4
Reload: 0.35 | 0.42
Bullets: 4 | 6
Auto: N
Stacked: N | Y

(Spas-12 has 2 modes, Normal and Incendiary. Normal does not deal stacked damage, and does 8 damage. The Incendiary mode does 1 damage per bullet stacked, plus an additional 2 damage as a result of the burn damage which happens 100% of the time. In total if you hit all 6 shots the Incendiary mode does 11-13 damage. 4 Shots will leave them at roughly 3 hp.)

The benefit of the Incendiary mode is because of the additional burn damage, even if you only hit 1 bullet it'll still burn them for more damage than you would hitting them with 1 bullet from some higher damage stacked shotguns.

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Are those new guns?

The stats seem kinda OP on paper, but I haven't actually seen them in use (I referring to the two new guns)

Why does the Spas-12 normal mode shoot 2 bullets instead of the advertised 4? Kind of a scam thing to do, unless it always shot 4 but was nerfed down to 2 or just a bug. I hope it's a bug because as it currently stands it's a medicore Shipka with a flame gimmick.

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Originally Posted by imSupah

Why does the Spas-12 normal mode shoot 2 bullets instead of the advertised 4? Kind of a scam thing to do, unless it always shot 4 but was nerfed down to 2 or just a bug. I hope it's a bug because as it currently stands it's a medicore Shipka with a flame gimmick.

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It doesn't shoot 2 it shoots 4 it just has very low spread. It's 30k less than shipka so it isn't exactly expected to be its equal if that's what you were thinking

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

It doesn't shoot 2 it shoots 4 it just has very low spread. It's 30k less than shipka so it isn't exactly expected to be its equal if that's what you were thinking

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I wasn't expecting a Shipka. The spread is extremely low that you barely even see the 4 bullets. It should be buffed up just a bit because all I keep seeing is 2 bullets. I will have no issue buying but with that low spread, it don't feel exactly like a shotgun.

Wait...., A-91 can't reload underwater

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Originally Posted by imSupah

I wasn't expecting a Shipka. The spread is extremely low that you barely even see the 4 bullets. It should be buffed up just a bit because all I keep seeing is 2 bullets. I will have no issue buying but with that low spread, it don't feel exactly like a shotgun.

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Does it have to feel like every other shotgun? it's meant to be something different. If you want a standard shotgun feeling mode then that is what the incendiary mode is for. It would be completely OP if the main mode had spread. How it is allows it to still be good up close, but also be decent at range as the bullets spread out more the further they go

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Originally Posted by Khanh

Wait...., A-91 can't reload underwater

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Nope, that's why you get 25 bullets

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

Does it have to feel like every other shotgun? it's meant to be something different. If you want a standard shotgun feeling mode then that is what the incendiary mode is for. It would be completely OP if the main mode had spread. How it is allows it to still be good up close, but also be decent at range as the bullets spread out more the further they go

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Yet the incendiary mode has a high TTK. You're not going to realistically hit all 6 shots 4 times. The DoT is so little that you can pretty much heal up without much issue. I understand the price is at 90k due to the two modes but Spas feels weak in comparison to something cheaper such as the AA12. That shoots 3 bullets, faster RoF, and a low hit timer. Only thing holding the AA12 back is the freeze and inability to move when firing auto yet that's rectified by tapping than holding. Spas definitely does not feel like a 90k gun.

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Originally Posted by imSupah

Yet the incendiary mode has a high TTK. You're not going to realistically hit all 6 shots 4 times. The DoT is so little that you can pretty much heal up without much issue. I understand the price is at 90k due to the two modes but Spas feels weak in comparison to something cheaper such as the AA12. That shoots 3 bullets, faster RoF, and a low hit timer. Only thing holding the AA12 back is the freeze and inability to move when firing auto yet that's rectified by tapping than holding. Spas definitely does not feel like a 90k gun.

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Are you basing this off having used it yourself or just based on what you think?

The price does not even factor that it has 2 modes. Even if the Spas didn't have the 2nd mode, it would still be priced at 90k as a result of the base stats it has. It's actually a very good gun in both base pking and outside pking. Maybe even in spar but I haven't had a chance to try it there yet so idk.

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

Are you basing this off having used it yourself or just based on what you think?

The price does not even factor that it has 2 modes. Even if the Spas didn't have the 2nd mode, it would still be priced at 90k as a result of the base stats it has. It's actually a very good gun in both base pking and outside pking. Maybe even in spar but I haven't had a chance to try it there yet so idk.

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I was basing it off from what I seen but now that I bought it, I take some of my points back. Normal mode is pretty good. I now see wym with the small spread and the 4 bullets finally coming. Probably my fav PK gun to use right now. Incendiary mode has it uses, but mostly niche. So yeah it's worth 90k and a nice breath of uniqueness with the two different modes. Are these the only two guns being released or are there plans for more?

Can we please fix the glitch where it doesn't allow me to switch between firemodes on the Spas-12? I can just reequip the gun but that takes time and it's annoying as all hell.

So, 2 days ago, i bought a Sawed AK, and i didnt know the gun stat is different from here, in game, i only have 16 clips instead of 35....,rof is actually 0.45(i tested it with auto tapper) and the hit timer is very high... Took me 6 to 7 shots to kill a afk...., can someone buff it back please? I dont want spend 90k on this crap...

Bitzsam: ''NO!''

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Originally Posted by im BmO ChOp

So, 2 days ago, i bought a Sawed AK, and i didnt know the gun stat is different from here, in game, i only have 16 clips instead of 35....,rof is actually 0.45(i tested it with auto tapper) and the hit timer is very high... Took me 6 to 7 shots to kill a afk...., can someone buff it back please? I dont want spend 90k on this crap...

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Sawed ak isn't really supposed to be mainly used for PK. It's good at spar though.

But the thing is the gun stat is different from the forum, which makes it unfair, because i cant get a full refund or change to a same priced gun

Gun refunds aren't happenning. And I'm sorry if you wasted 90k on some Soviet junk. You know I made a thread about DSR-50 and the Sawed AK47 itself and he didn't even gave a single reply on them, so don't expect anything from this guy lol. What could happen is a change to either G36 Tactical, A-91 or SPAS-12.

I see i see, welp is it possible to change my m16a3 to akm?

Well everything can happen, what won't happen is the admin accepting that.

Btw, whats AKM's hit timer, is it high or

Basically the same as M4. Basically (again), the AKM is a bit slower M4 with bigger spread and automatic.

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Originally Posted by JimmY1809

Basically the same as M4. Basically (again), the AKM is a bit slower M4 with bigger spread and automatic.

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I see i see, but isnt that AKM has spread than M4? Higher damage as well, and its automatic too right?

When will this thread be updated?


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Is the sawed ak freeze really 0.15?
That's actually crazy for a gun like that

Ummm Hi, why theres no Spas-12 stats yet?

Bring back all old stats guns

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