Chem going to be nerfed?

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Originally Posted by Vendhin

We don't offer refunds on items/weapons and we never have.
Unfortunately, for better or worse - this is the nature of a competitve online game, balancing happens.
Sure, the people who love the weapon and use it aren't going to like the changes but it's important to keep balancing and refining the overall balance of the weapons.

It's not BitzSam's fault that the gun is much better than anticipated and possibly too overpowered, he's just doing his job.

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well said! haha

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Originally Posted by Czar Misago

The nerfs are so dumb lmao, like bitz do you just release bs and not even test it or what. The only thing you complain about chem is its blast radius, then maybe lower it??

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He tested it for an hour

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

As nobody was able to come to a compromise whilst I was trying to give it new stats that allowed it to still be strong and instead just complained, asked for "old stats" and wouldn't even test the gun- I have now reverted its stats back to normal and blocked it from being used in bases.

You can either be constructive so that a compromise can be reached or just not use it in bases at all. A gun with this firerate and the explosive capabilities cannot be left untouched. It literally dominates basing to the point where it's all down to whichever gang has the most chem guns.
If it remains blocked from bases then i'm happy to give it a slight BUFF for use outside of bases/ within spar.

I had to manually add all the base levels so I may have missed some. Some levels such as the rooms only bases can enter I left since there isn't really any combat there but if i've forgotten others let me know and i'll block those too.

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Personally do not like the idea of it being blocked from bases, it is still a lot of ecs and for it not to be used inside bases is a little harsh. Keep the nerf IMO.

if you want to fix something, it's not the gun...
it's the group of people that run the current bases.

they're all friends and they play constantly.

put the gun back to the way it was and we won't ever mention that this happened.

Lol that's what everyone is saying to him rn in game

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When minigun a 200k gun is better then a 200ec chemical gun LMAO

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Originally Posted by Vendhin

What's rigged? Who's it rigged for?

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Focusing on those who doesn't own the CG, the update pretty much throws the gun as a PK weapon and it was meant to be that way since the release.

Then there are still some who chooses to adjust the blame indirectly just because the standards wasn't met.
I'm not saying it's a bad change, but seeing players who rarely do much for a 200EC weapon proves a point or two that nothing can satisfy the playerbase other than bringing it forth.

Just went online to check the dissatisfaction from both sides and was filled with repugnance to how players want something they aren't willing to work for.
Like I said, I can go with any changes but if people are still unhappy then what's this 'balance procedure' that people fail to understand?

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Originally Posted by XSTARX

Focusing on those who doesn't own the CG, the update pretty much throws the gun as a PK weapon and it was meant to be that way since the release.

Then there are still some who chooses to adjust the blame indirectly just because the standards wasn't met.
I'm not saying it's a bad change, but seeing players who rarely do much for a 200EC weapon proves a point or two that nothing can satisfy the playerbase other than bringing it forth.

Just went online to check the dissatisfaction from both sides and was filled with repugnance to how players want something they aren't willing to work for.
Like I said, I can go with any changes but if people are still unhappy then what's this 'balance procedure' that people fail to understand?

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I don't think you understand the definition of rigged. Of course players with it will be mad, if your gun that's been op for awhile has been nerfed it changes your way of playing. It's for the better though since basing finally isn't just trying to recruit members with the gun anymore

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Originally Posted by Fze

I don't think you understand the definition of rigged. Of course players with it will be mad, if your gun that's been op for awhile has been nerfed it changes your way of playing

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The gun changed entirely people didn't purchase that,

If it's blocked in bases then buff it

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Originally Posted by NicholasGraalOnlineEra

The gun changed entirely people didn't purchase that,

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Guns are purchased with the risk of its stats being changed in the future, just how it is

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Originally Posted by Fze

I don't think you understand the definition of rigged. Of course players with it will be mad, if your gun that's been op for awhile has been nerfed it changes your way of playing. It's for the better though since basing finally isn't just trying to recruit members with the gun anymore

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Have you even read what I posted? Obviously you did not.
I'm a CG owner and bought it a few days after its release and when Sam introduced the new changes I am sure as hype.
Why? Simply because I understood the concepts of balancing a game item and wouldn't throw a massive tantrum at the only GA working for us.
You, on the other hand, are probably from that group of ranters who focuses on unjust stats rather than skill-based.

Remember how the GM4 was nerfed badly and everybody started being concerned at wrong times? Ya, look back at it and look to the latter. Nobody is complaining about it ever since so I'm pretty sure this would go the exact same for the CG.

Look, you can throw fists at me all day but we're not the ones calling the change.
So why not sit down and give some constructive criticism other than being repetitive about how the current nerf was unneeded to a fault.

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Originally Posted by XSTARX

Focusing on those who doesn't own the CG, the update pretty much throws the gun as a PK weapon and it was meant to be that way since the release.

Then there are still some who chooses to adjust the blame indirectly just because the standards wasn't met.
I'm not saying it's a bad change, but seeing players who rarely do much for a 200EC weapon proves a point or two that nothing can satisfy the playerbase other than bringing it forth.

Just went online to check the dissatisfaction from both sides and was filled with repugnance to how players want something they aren't willing to work for.
Like I said, I can go with any changes but if people are still unhappy then what's this 'balance procedure' that people fail to understand?

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wow.. you spun this whole subject matter in a really negative way.
I'm amazed. I don't think I'll read what you have to say when you post from now on.

You're a spin doctor. It's not your decision on whom is worthy.

I'm disgusted.

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Originally Posted by XSTARX

Have you even read what I posted? Obviously you did not.
I'm a CG owner and bought it a few days after its release and when Sam introduced the new changes I am sure as hype.
Why? Simply because I understood the concepts of balancing a game item and wouldn't throw a massive tantrum at the only GA working for us.
You, on the other hand, are probably from that group of ranters who focuses on unjust stats rather than skill-based.

Remember how the GM4 was nerfed badly and everybody started being concerned at wrong times? Ya, look back at it and look to the latter. Nobody is complaining about it ever since so I'm pretty sure this would go the exact same for the CG.

Look, you can throw fists at me all day but we're not the ones calling the change.
So why not sit down and give some constructive criticism other than being repetitive about how the current nerf was unneeded to a fault.

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But I supported the nerf? Don't think you know how to read English very good, bud

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Originally Posted by Dead Bees

wow.. you spun this whole subject matter in a really negative way.
I'm amazed. I don't think I'll read what you have to say when you post from now on.

You're a spin doctor. It's not your decision on whom is worthy.

I'm disgusted.

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Just because someone doesn't agree with your point, you get angry

You made a unique gun turn into a gun like bar? Everyone has damn bar. Making it a little better than bar is so stupid ffs it's 200 ec man bar you can get in 3 minutes with iTunes chem you gotta work for and so you're going to make it like bar? Everyone has bar so now chem is just like a crypt skin it's rare looking but it only does a little more than bar. Yup I'm quitting graal first comes chem nerf then comes no +1 damage, who knows what comes after that.


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this is what's going to happen.

you're going to upset your oldest players that have supported the game for a very long time.
the new players will still complain after it's nerfed.

the old players will play less.

I use to buy monthly in game currency for hats and VIP.
now I quit buying hats and swords.
VIP is next.. I'll just make pizzas.

This will change things. I don't trust the staff to "do the right thing" anymore.

Give the EC back and take the CG out of the game if you're going to nerf it anymore.

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Originally Posted by Czar Misago

cool nerf it but to say its the only reason they had bbz?? So just curious when you came to that assumption did you ask darkside members?? Wouldnt be suprised as their trying to play victims right now. Also guys stop complaining hes not going to fix it. So just decide if you want the good chem for pking or the trash one for basing.

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No. Most of Darksides members are toxic so you can be sure it definitely wasn't bias in their favour.

So you've made chem normal again but you've banned it from basing... That's the entire point of the gun and that's what it's been used for by everyone who bought it, why don't you just put a cap on the gun like I said as all this entire weekend has been is arguing by everybody.

Putting a cap is the only solution I can think of and the amount of chems at the moment is not bad, obsidian just happens to know how to get all of them to join. There are 65-70 chems atm, only make 15-20 more chems available then completely remove it from the shop.

This will avoid a nerf (most likely also avoid weeks of arguing) and give players a chance to save up. And it's the only logical answer at this point.

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Originally Posted by Frozenshadow

You made a unique gun turn into a gun like bar? Everyone has damn bar. Making it a little better than bar is so stupid ffs it's 200 ec man bar you can get in 3 minutes with iTunes chem you gotta work for and so you're going to make it like bar? Everyone has bar so now chem is just like a crypt skin it's rare looking but it only does a little more than bar. Yup I'm quitting graal first comes chem nerf then comes no +1 damage, who knows what comes after that.

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You're probably one of the reasons why Sam decided to make amendments for himself.
Where's the creative thinking sketch that you seek before? Contradictions are just revealing all your motives currently.

First you said CG should've been nerfed, now it's the other way round.

???

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Originally Posted by Dead Bees

this is what's going to happen.

you're going to upset your oldest players that have supported the game for a very long time.
the new players will still complain after it's nerfed.

the old players will play less.

I use to buy monthly in game currency for hats and VIP.
now I quit buying hats and swords.
VIP is next.. I'll just make pizzas.

This will change things. I don't trust the staff to "do the right thing" anymore.

Give the EC back and take the CG out of the game if you're going to nerf it anymore.

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The guns damage was buffed by 2 and clip by 9 in countenance to it being base blocked.

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Originally Posted by Xur

So you've made chem normal again but you've banned it from basing... That's the entire point of the gun and that's what it's been used for by everyone who bought it, why don't you just put a cap on the gun like I said as all this entire weekend has been is arguing by everybody.

Putting a cap is the only solution I can think of and the amount of chems at the moment is not bad, obsidian just happens to know how to get all of them to join. There are 65-70 chems atm, only make 15-20 more chems available then completely remove it from the shop.

This will avoid a nerf (most likely also avoid weeks of arguing) and give players a chance to save up. And it's the only logical answer at this point.

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Originally Posted by Xur

So you've made chem normal again but you've banned it from basing... That's the entire point of the gun and that's what it's been used for by everyone who bought it, why don't you just put a cap on the gun like I said as all this entire weekend has been is arguing by everybody.

Putting a cap is the only solution I can think of and the amount of chems at the moment is not bad, obsidian just happens to know how to get all of them to join. There are 65-70 chems atm, only make 15-20 more chems available then completely remove it from the shop.

This will avoid a nerf (most likely also avoid weeks of arguing) and give players a chance to save up. And it's the only logical answer at this point.

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You have literally lived up to my prediction of how you would act once you got the chem gun for yourself. The answer to your suggestion of adding a cap has been answered multiple times. I suggest you actually read the reason I have provided you for once.


Chem users be like;
http://i.imgur.com/SjR2Zqn.png

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

You have literally lived up to my prediction of how you would act once you got the chem gun for yourself. The answer to your suggestion of adding a cap has been answered multiple times. I suggest you actually read the reason I have provided you for once.

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Since chem is blocked in bases now
Give us a free BAR how am I supposed to base now
Jeez

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Originally Posted by imaginary

Since chem is blocked in bases now
Give us a free BAR how am I supposed to base now
Jeez

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Wasn't "fixing it for bases" your suggestion the whole time?

I like the nerf tho good job sam now chem won't effect basses like before, think about it guys in future everyone will own chem how could u even base lmao 2 chems could smash a base without even using skills just spamming it around


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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

You have literally lived up to my prediction of how you would act once you got the chem gun for yourself. The answer to your suggestion of adding a cap has been answered multiple times. I suggest you actually read the reason I have provided you for once.


Chem users be like;
http://i.imgur.com/SjR2Zqn.png

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I know you've given me reasons but at this point what are you gonna do? Anything you do to Chem can get you massive amounts of hate, only because it's so valued by people like me. So are you gonna do something smart like just get rid of it and give people a chance to get it before it runs out or ruin the experience for everyone who has it

I think it would be a great idea if only the gang leader could use cg in bases or something along those lines. Then there would be a limit that would help the imbalance without nerfing the gun.

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Originally Posted by Xur

So you've made chem normal again but you've banned it from basing... That's the entire point of the gun and that's what it's been used for by everyone who bought it, why don't you just put a cap on the gun like I said as all this entire weekend has been is arguing by everybody.

Putting a cap is the only solution I can think of and the amount of chems at the moment is not bad, obsidian just happens to know how to get all of them to join. There are 65-70 chems atm, only make 15-20 more chems available then completely remove it from the shop.

This will avoid a nerf (most likely also avoid weeks of arguing) and give players a chance to save up. And it's the only logical answer at this point.

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How would you have felt if it was capped two weeks ago before you got it

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

Wasn't "fixing it for bases" your suggestion the whole time?

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

Wasn't "fixing it for bases" your suggestion the whole time?

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No? Weren't u going to nerf it bc of how gangs only spam it at doors?
So instead of nerfing the gun
Fix the base itself
Did.u.get.it

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Originally Posted by imaginary

No? Weren't u going to nerf it bc of how gangs only spam it at doors?
So instead of nerfing the gun
Fix the base itself
Did.u.get.it

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IT'S STILL OVERCENTRALIZING AND BROKEN DON'T YOU GET IT?
even if you fix bases and I don't know how you do that,you can't just forget how broken chem is.

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Originally Posted by imaginary

No? Weren't u going to nerf it bc of how gangs only spam it at doors?
So instead of nerfing the gun
Fix the base itself
Did.u.get.it

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Chem was broken, not the bases

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Originally Posted by imaginary

No? Weren't u going to nerf it bc of how gangs only spam it at doors?
So instead of nerfing the gun
Fix the base itself
Did.u.get.it

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No, I didn't get it

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Originally Posted by Esmeree

No, I didn't get it

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Good, that post was for Sam
Just saying I didn't suggest what he said

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Originally Posted by Fze

How would you have felt if it was capped two weeks ago before you got it

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That's why I'm saying keep 15-20 more available which is plenty, those chems won't go in 1 year

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Originally Posted by Xur

That's why I'm saying keep 15-20 more available which is plenty, those chems won't go in 1 year

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what!? Are you serious man? Are you in the right mind? Omg so selfish

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Originally Posted by Xur

That's why I'm saying keep 15-20 more available which is plenty, those chems won't go in 1 year

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To many people already have it, if the cap was added then only the first 10-20 people who got chem should keep it. But the nerf saves time and is more effective then capping it

before you sell an EC item there needs to be a map where you're allowed to use it, thanks to this issue.
...jeeze.

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Originally Posted by Celestial

what!? Are you serious man? Are you in the right mind? Omg so selfish

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Selfish? Lol? I'd like to know how because I'm proposing a good idea which I think you're taking the wrong way

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Originally Posted by Xur

Selfish? Lol? I'd like to know how because I'm proposing a good idea which I think you're taking the wrong way

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Selfish as your proposal only suits your needs. You have chem now already so you don't care if it gets limited. If it had been limited when you were just about to get it you would be in here complaining either way.

And in addition to that you are forgetting the fundamental issue that I have already told you so many times.

Enough people have chem for it to create and issue. And the people with chem are mostly the "big gangs". Adding a cap now does nothing as there is already an issue currently, and so adding a cap doesn't fix the issues it creates.
Not only that but it means the gangs that currently have all the chems will become even stronger as you are more or less forced to use a chem to compete against a gang with one. So if a limiter was added every other gang without a chem would be stuck with the huge disadvantage indefinitely.

Removing it from bases completely eliminates all of these issues, means it doesn't matter how many people get it and actually allows its stats to be better as they aren't constrained to being balanced for base defending/ attacking.

The only possible situation in which a limiter would ever be added is before or within a few days after release of the item.

Sure the 60-70 chem owners will be mad, but i'm sure there is a higher number of people who will be happy about this change as they get more of a chance when attacking bases now. Chem gun owners are the minority, and the fact they had such a significant control over bases was ridiculous.
The people who have had chem for awhile should be thankful they got to use the chem in its old state for as long as they did. The only people who are copping the worst of it are the people who just bought it. Although I don't exactly take sympathy for those people as I specifically said to wait until after the nerf before you decided if you still wanted it.

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Originally Posted by Dead Bees

before you sell an EC item there needs to be a map where you're allowed to use it, thanks to this issue.
...jeeze.

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Take that up with the people that added chem gun to the game. I'm just the one stuck having to fix OP guns, with the vast majority of which being guns I wasn't around for when they were being added to the game. (chem, flame, gm4, p2k, bar, wh64).

It's like getting mad at a political leader for something that was put in place by the person before them. Nothing they could do about it then so it's up to them to fix it now.

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Another thing I just thought of. Now that chem is disabled people are actually using normal guns. So your welcome to the people saying era is turning into zone as that's one less futuristic laser weapon you'll be seeing

cheer up, bro.
to be 100% honest.
this will affect how often I play and if I spend real money.
..which is not looking too good,

goodluck everyone! cya around! bye!