Upcoming Weapon damage Buffs

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Originally Posted by Adrian321

1 chem per tag*
And who says that those who have chem will not use another tag????

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Well allies can kill each other so it would be very unorganized in that situation.


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Next update: delete all weapons and only leave starter pistols and starter knife.

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Originally Posted by iMagicBae

Next update: delete all weapons and only leave starter pistols and starter knife.

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W expensive parts sold separated to make the gun more powerful

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Originally Posted by TheRealSven

He said make it so only 1 chem could be used in a base....


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1 Chem per tag is more than enough to destroy gangs that don't have chems.. Just keep the bases skill based and make the chem a pking gun only..

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Originally Posted by yaboirobb

The new damage buff seemed good but when it became a reality it has shown to be a horrible update. People out here getting merked by these 9.5 damage starter pistols! Also the stacked guns are now rendered useless because they were the only ones not buffed and now they cannot compete with the regular guns. You no longer need skill in the game anymore. You just need your 10 or 11 damage m4 and you're good. I really hope that Bitzsam does NOT keep this in the game.

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I kind of agree with you.. I thought this update was gonna make the game better but now I am unsure about that.. Either buff the stacked and rapid fire guns (except the chem since it's pretty much an exploding minigun) OR reverse the damage changes.

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Originally Posted by iHit

1 Chem per tag is more than enough to destroy gangs that don't have chems.. Just keep the bases skill based and make the chem a pking gun only..

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I kind of agree with you.. I thought this update was gonna make the game better but now I am unsure about that.. Either buff the stacked and rapid fire guns (except the chem since it's pretty much an exploding minigun) OR reverse the damage changes.

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mmmm debatable. chem has a punishing reload, especially with the new bar. just gotta be smart and it won’t be a huge issue.


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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

Ok going to make this as short as I can so it doesn't get too complicated.

With the original weapon 'nerfs' among other things one of the main intentions was to reduce a lot of the fast fire-rates across the high damaging guns to create more of a skill gap in having more ability to dodge bullets (less spam walls, more opening between bullets to dodge etc). For the most part that went well however I do recognise that meant an increased kill time overall which is what this change i'm about to explain will hopefully fix.

What I plan to do is increase the damage of most guns in the game so that they will kill in one less bullet than currently. (notice the word 'most' is in bold meaning not all guns, i'll get to that part later on).

Here is an example of how the damage buffs will work out (note that it can't be an equal buff for each gun as the bullets to kill don't always add up)

Assume these damage values are all for perfect condition weapons and the number of shots to kill are based on a full hp player (50 hp).

12 damage guns - +1.5 damage buff = 13.5 damage - going from 5 shots to kill to 4
11 damage guns - +2 damage buff = 13 damage - going from 5 shots to kill to 4
10 damage guns- +2.5 damage buff = 12.5 damage - going from 5 shots to kill to 4
9.5 damage guns- +2 damage buff = 11.5 damage - going from 6 shots to kill to 5
9 damage guns- +2 damage buff = 11 damage - going from 6 shots to kill to 5
8 damage guns- +1.5 damage buff = 9.5 damage - going from 7 shots to kill to 6
7 damage guns- +1 damage buff = 8 damage - going from 8 shots to kill to 7
6 damage guns- +1 damage buff = 7 damage - going from 9 shots to kill to 8
5 damage guns- +1 damage buff = 6 damage - going from 10 shots to kill to 9
4 damage guns- +1 damage buff = 5 damage - going from 11 shots to kill to 10

Basically these additional damage values mean that guns will be killing in 1 less bullet than before assuming you're killing someone on 50hp.

Now getting to the 'most' part, there will be exceptions, they still need to be figured out but a base line is that no guns that kill in 4 shots currently (such as the ion bow/ DSR 50 and a few others) will be buffed to kill in 3 shots. They'll get a damage buff as well but their shots to kill will remain as it currently is, and i'll probably give another stat a minor buff to account for that.

Not all stacked damage guns, especially ones that fire multiple bullets will receive buffs due to the fact that even adding 0.5 damage extra would throw some off too much.

Additionally fast firing guns like the minigun/ flame/ chem can't receive any damage buffs without the buff being too significant. (eg minigun does 4.5 damage perfect, being a 12 shot kill currently. If I even buffed it by only 0.5 making it 5 damage perfect then that would make it go from a 12 bullets to kill to a 10, meaning 2 less bullets which would probably make it the best gun in the game AKA too strong).

Like I said i'll still have to figure out what to do with some of those exceptions, probably buff it somewhere else in a minor way, but damage wise not much can be done.


TLDR

Aim
- To buff most guns in the game to kill a 50 player HP in 1 less bullet than it currently kills in.

Reason
- To speed up fights, making the game fast pace, high risk/ high reward
- To counter the lower times to kill across the board that came from the firerate nerfs during the weapon rebalance

Exceptions
- High firerate, low damage weapons (eg minigun type weapons) won't receive damage buffs
- Explosive weapons won't receive damage buffs if the additional damages make it too strong
- Guns that currently kill in 4 shots (eg ION bow, DSR50, Lapua 338) won't receive buffs that make it 3 shot kills
- Stacked weapons that fire multiple bullets won't get damage buffs

Additional Change
- Because of the addition of many .5 damages in some of the buffs, the Player HP bar will be updated to display 0.5 numbers (eg 45.5 HP, 29.5 hp etc)- currently the health bar just rounds the damage down which is why you may have seen players running around with 0 health when really they were at 0.5.


I'm hoping to update all the damage all at once before the end of the year. There is also an additional gun related update I have been waiting on a few scripts to be finished that I wish to release along side this update however I can't give any info on what it'll be other than it's not weapon stat related.

Update 16/11/18
ALL RIGHT

So this is what's going to go down. Most guns have now been buffed following the stats I posted originally;
(perfect condition damages)
12 damage guns - 13.5 damage - going from 5 shots to kill to 4
11 damage guns - 13 damage - going from 5 shots to kill to 4
10 damage guns- 12.5 damage - going from 5 shots to kill to 4
9.5 damage guns- 11.5 damage - going from 6 shots to kill to 5
9 damage guns- 11 damage - going from 6 shots to kill to 5
8 damage guns- 9.5 damage - going from 7 shots to kill to 6
7 damage guns- 8 damage - going from 8 shots to kill to 7
6 damage guns- 7 damage - going from 9 shots to kill to 8
5 damage guns- 6 damage - going from 10 shots to kill to 9
4 damage guns- 5 damage - going from 11 shots to kill to 10

There will be a 1 week TRIAL PERIOD. During this week you guys can test out how the game feels whilst I decide what to do with the guns that didn't receive damage buffs, as in buffing them in a different stat eg. reload time decrease. Also to make sure nothing breaks. After that week then they should hopefully be finalised.

Here is the list of guns that DID NOT GET DAMAGE BUFFS (due to having stacked damage, explosive damage or did 12+ damage pre buffs).

870FieldShotgun
ArtilleryCannon
Assault_Rifle
Bolt_Blaster
Champagne_Gun
ChemicalGun
Chocobo
CincoCannon
CL_Bazooka
CornLauncher
DeceasedCannon
Diablo_Duals14
Diablo_Duals18
Diablo_Duals
DinoSmash
DSR50_Sniper
Carnage
EggRPG
ElectricStaff
Era_RPG
FIM_92_Stinger
FlameThrower
GasLauncher
GrenadeLauncher
HCannon
IceWand
Ion_Bow
Ion_Pulse_Cannon
LasCannon
M16a3
M3
Magma_Launcher
MG36_2
Model_1887
Naglfar
Nitro_Blaster
PBPShotgun
PeaceMaker
Plasma_Pistols
RabbitRPG
RPG7
SharkNader
Shotgun
SnowBallCannon
TacoCannon
TurkeyBlaster
Gun_Vulcan_Minigun
WaterStaff
XFG_SMG
XM25

Also to reiterate Melees are NOT getting damage buffs.

Let me know if you find a gun that wasn't buffed that isn't in that list of guns above

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I don’t like this change because while some guns are buffed others are left in the dust. I like to collect holiday based guns and now the ones I own are obsolete. Also melees should receive a buff as well so they have a chance against the guns.

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Originally Posted by TheRealSven

mmmm debatable. chem has a punishing reload, especially with the new bar. just gotta be smart and it won’t be a huge issue.


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There is no time to be smart when you are getting fired at by an exploding minigun

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Originally Posted by Boogie

I don’t like this change because while some guns are buffed others are left in the dust. I like to collect holiday based guns and now the ones I own are obsolete. Also melees should receive a buff as well so they have a chance against the guns.

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Melees are not meant for combat use against guns.. The only time I have ever found myself using melees (before the buff and now) is when there was a player lagged out or when I needed to destroy a door or a base.. Just don't touch the melees

Just revert the gun stats back to normal, maybe players will actually come back to the game

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Originally Posted by iMagicBae

Next update: delete all weapons and only leave starter pistols and starter knife.

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Dead af lmao <3

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Originally Posted by XR

Just revert the gun stats back to normal, maybe players will actually come back to the game

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They come back after a while anyway. A lot of my 2014 friends do anyway.

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Originally Posted by iHit

There is no time to be smart when you are getting fired at by an exploding minigun

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Then your reaction time is way too slow my friend.

Add chem back to bases please, i’d like basing to be spiced up a bit. But limiting chems per base would be a good idea since a bunch of ***astros*** have it now


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I think this update will make me quit graal litterly everyone will use bar and will be a 4 shot kill no skill what so ever even with pistols doing up to 9-10 -11 take this out now I know over 100 people that saw this and already quit graal because I am about to do the same if u want me to spend my money on this game then don’t make guns op asf with dmg

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Originally Posted by Young Davy

I think this update will make me quit graal litterly everyone will use bar and will be a 4 shot kill no skill what so ever even with pistols doing up to 9-10 -11 take this out now I know over 100 people that saw this and already quit graal because I am about to do the same if u want me to spend my money on this game then don’t make guns op asf with dmg

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Hmmmmmm no one can run anymore...... Idk what to say about that besides that itll be good to just get a better gun instead.

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Opinion
top guns after buff:
1. Dual Rafficas (due to old glitch coming back if u get hit by 2 of the shots same time u will get 22 dmg)
2.bar/psg
3.mp5/m4a3s due to high spam fire rate and no hit timer
4.new Halloween sniper with knockback, this can even be ranked no.2 or 3 if used correctly with its high 90-100% chance of knockback.
The weapons that are dying and getting outgunned:
1.Chemical Gun
2.PBP
3.Flame/minigun/ion miniguan
4.Electric/Waterstaff

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Originally Posted by Archer Savage

Opinion
top guns after buff:
1. Dual Rafficas (due to old glitch coming back if u get hit by 2 of the shots same time u will get 22 dmg)
2.bar/psg
3.mp5/m4a3s due to high spam fire rate and no hit timer
4.new Halloween sniper with knockback, this can even be ranked no.2 or 3 if used correctly with its high 90-100% chance of knockback.
The weapons that are dying and getting outgunned:
1.Chemical Gun
2.PBP
3.Flame/minigun/ion miniguan
4.Electric/Waterstaff

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Chem isnt dying, it is just to OP for everywhere. Hundreds of people own chem now. I agree there is a need to buff for shotgun. They literally same damage as sniper now lol

Okay.. So just reverse the update and don't touch the guns. It was a nice 1 week trial

I think it is good. I like fast pace.

Also chem should not be implemented in bases. Even 1 chem is enough to obliterate a gang without chem

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Originally Posted by Trix

I think it is good. I like fast pace.

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It's good however shotguns and rapid fire guns are just useless at this point.

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Originally Posted by TheRealSven

Then your reaction time is way too slow my friend.

Add chem back to bases please, i’d like basing to be spiced up a bit. But limiting chems per base would be a good idea since a bunch of ***astros*** have it now


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Before you can reach them, they alrdy damage u to half hp lol

Before we vote to put chem back into basing or not schedule a date for it to be useable in all bases so we can see all the outcome and Sam try to be online and monitor how chem being allowed back in bases will do to basing after the strong buff

Great initiative Bitz. However a minor update this seems it's good to know there's changes being made on the game-scape.

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Originally Posted by Trix

Before you can reach them, they alrdy damage u to half hp lol

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that’s a you problem


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sounds good works good

have to do something with the minigun now with this update became obsolete is the weapon that I use most even in spar but now it became a weapon of the background.

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Originally Posted by Fargan

have to do something with the minigun now with this update became obsolete is the weapon that I use most even in spar but now it became a weapon of the background.

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why are you using minigun in spar


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Originally Posted by Fargan

have to do something with the minigun now with this update became obsolete is the weapon that I use most even in spar but now it became a weapon of the background.

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Wow pro. Yep and that 200k. I would say buff minigun but I hate spawn killers.

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I always use minigun to spar or kill at base events but it has turned everything against

Making a few balance changes and going to address a few common things that keep coming up.

For starters, I keep seeing people complaining about how guns like the minigun/shotgun suck etc which I understand however that tells me that those pointing that out haven't exactly read through the original post as I did say there that most of those guns would receive some adjustments DURING this trial week period. Those guns are in the minority, so obviously I wanted to see how the gameplay was with the majority of weapons before I started fin tuning some of those outlier guns that didn't receive buffs for the reasons originally stated.

For the chem gun, no it is not being brought back into bases nor will it ever be. Honestly when the chem got buffed it was probably an overbuff to what it should have been, however I just left it as it was at the time since I had already made several changes to the chem I honestly was just done with hearing complaints about it. The gun does 9-10 damage if you factor in the additional 6 damage from the explosion effect it has, and fires so fast with its enlarged bullet hitbox that even without any buffs it's still relatively the same performance wise, despite the buffs around it. And yea as someone else in this thread pointed out, YES the chemical gun takes time to get if you are one of those who earn't it legitimately (didn't pay someone to win events on your account) however, winning events can be based on luck/ many determining factors such as ping and therefore shouldn't mean that despite its price it should be indisputably the best gun in the entire game for all circumstances.
Anyway ENOUGH about the chem, not going to reply any further to chem questions as I'm honestly sick of hearing about the gun, I wish it was never added into this game because of all the issues its caused, if I could I would rather remove it from the game and just full refund everyone so I can be done with it for good but I doubt that's a realistic hope.

ANYWAY my next post within the next 30mins or so will contain various stat updates for this trial period.

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

Making a few balance changes and going to address a few common things that keep coming up.

For starters, I keep seeing people complaining about how guns like the minigun/shotgun suck etc which I understand however that tells me that those pointing that out haven't exactly read through the original post as I did say there that most of those guns would receive some adjustments DURING this trial week period. Those guns are in the minority, so obviously I wanted to see how the gameplay was with the majority of weapons before I started fin tuning some of those outlier guns that didn't receive buffs for the reasons originally stated.

For the chem gun, no it is not being brought back into bases nor will it ever be. Honestly when the chem got buffed it was probably an overbuff to what it should have been, however I just left it as it was at the time since I had already made several changes to the chem I honestly was just done with hearing complaints about it. The gun does 9-10 damage if you factor in the additional 6 damage from the explosion effect it has, and fires so fast with its enlarged bullet hitbox that even without any buffs it's still relatively the same performance wise, despite the buffs around it. And yea as someone else in this thread pointed out, YES the chemical gun takes time to get if you are one of those who earn't it legitimately (didn't pay someone to win events on your account) however, winning events can be based on luck/ many determining factors such as ping and therefore shouldn't mean that despite its price it should be indisputably the best gun in the entire game for all circumstances.
Anyway ENOUGH about the chem, not going to reply any further to chem questions as I'm honestly sick of hearing about the gun, I wish it was never added into this game because of all the issues its caused, if I could I would rather remove it from the game and just full refund everyone so I can be done with it for good but I doubt that's a realistic hope.

ANYWAY my next post within the next 30mins or so will contain various stat updates for this trial period.

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Thank you for leaving chem gun regular. People generally spawn kill you with them and it gets annoying. Lmao it lags you out too. I do hope PBP shotgun and mini aren't improved much specifically because they spawn kill. Lmao hope other people feel the same.

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UPDATE 19/11/18

DECREASED the damage of:
M107
PSG1
PG338

Down from 12.5 damage to 11.5 damage (Not perfect). This maintains the 4 shot kills of those guns, just reduces the damage so to reduce instances where a player might of been hit by 3 PSG1 shots, and then having low enough health to be 1 shot by a player using a 5 shot to kill gun such as the M4.

INCREASED damage of Minigun from 3.5 to 4 (not perfect)

DECREASED the reload time of the flamethower from 0.9 freeze to 0.45. Means less time you can't shoot whilst equipping to it, and more ability to dodge when you reload however the time before firing after reloading is unchanged.

DECREASED the damage of the starter pistol from 8.5- 8. Bullets to kill remains unchanged, more so done for the same reasons as the M107/ PSG1/ PG338 damage reductions.

ADDED an additional bullet fired from the PBP shotgun, meaning it now fires 5 bullets dealing 3 damage (not perfect). So theoretically you should be capable of doing 20 damage if all 5 shot hit. (will be seeing how this buff plays out so just know it might be reduced again if things get too crazy. Also the spawn killing will be looked into and hopefully fixed soon

CHANGED the bullet positions of the Dual Raffica's, making the bullets leave closer together which should hopefully stop the bug where the Raffica does double damage when it isn't meant to.

PBP is 3 shots to kill from full health. Yikes. Mini is worth pbp, and pbp is worth mini in terms of gralats. Remove that PBP change lol, too good for those that are far away from the server


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Originally Posted by TheRealSven

PBP is 3 shots to kill from full health. Yikes. Mini is worth pbp, and pbp is worth mini in terms of gralats. Remove that PBP change lol, too good for those that are far away from the server


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Like I said i'm seeing what PBP is like, if it's too much then i'll revert it and try something else

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

Like I said i'm seeing what PBP is like, if it's too much then i'll revert it and try something else

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Yeah definitely keep watching it, but imo it’s too strong considering the price of the weapon. I’d recommend changing other stats besides damage in order to buff certain weapons like PBP


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Also the slime on chem doesn’t seem to work. Tried start, cave, outside bases, random streets, doesn’t seem to work.

It only damages if you directly hit someone when firing it. I don’t remember slime having an update so if no longer slows.


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Originally Posted by TheRealSven

Yeah definitely keep watching it, but imo it’s too strong considering the price of the weapon. I’d recommend changing other stats besides damage in order to buff certain weapons like PBP


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Also the slime on chem doesn’t seem to work. Tried start, cave, outside bases, random streets, doesn’t seem to work.

It only damages if you directly hit someone when firing it. I don’t remember slime having an update so if no longer slows.


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Slime is unchanged and works the way it always has. Damaging someone with the slime isn't what slows them, it's when the slime hits they ground and the walk over it which will do the effect.

And yea 3 hits would be too excessive for a normal gun, but it's fairly hard to hit all 5 bullets unless you're right infront of the person and they aren't moving up and down.
If it's too strong after the spawn killing bug gets fixed then i'll probably put the bullets back to 4 and increase the damage by 0.5 making it do 18 damage, +2 from the previous 16

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

Slime is unchanged and works the way it always has. Damaging someone with the slime isn't what slows them, it's when the slime hits they ground and the walk over it which will do the effect.

And yea 3 hits would be too excessive for a normal gun, but it's fairly hard to hit all 5 bullets unless you're right infront of the person and they aren't moving up and down.

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https://youtu.be/HwehX4aJ318

watch that Sam. if the quality is bad, it’s because i just uploaded.



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Originally Posted by TheRealSven

https://youtu.be/HwehX4aJ318

watch that Sam. if the quality is bad, it’s because i just uploaded.



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The slime has never worked, it should be buffed if anything too to last longer

Man can u increase Electric Clip size to 25+ So it wont be the only gun left behind

what happened to chem not being touched tho... removing spawn killing affects chem as well. that was dumb overall


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Originally Posted by TheRealSven

what happened to chem not being touched tho... removing spawn killing affects chem as well. that was dumb overall


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Lol, it was far from dumb. It was broken as all hell. Let's be real now, no gun should be able to damage you while spawning. Spawning is supposed to be that invincibility period where no damage is taken. It was a bug that is finally squashed and for good reason.

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Originally Posted by imSupah

Lol, it was far from dumb. It was broken as all hell. Let's be real now, no gun should be able to damage you while spawning. Spawning is supposed to be that invincibility period where no damage is taken. It was a bug that is finally squashed and for good reason.

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That guy sven is a chem spawn killer, but that's probably no surprise. The only people that like spawn killing is people who use it to personally attack people.

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Do you know how many pks I got from the m107 alone? I (for once) agree with the nerf, that was too strong