What if Perfect shape was removed?

Would my kar98k will still do 10 damage?

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

There would still be 10 damage guns in the game even if this happened, like the m107, and other snipers that do above 10 currently. If it did happen I would not plan on making a bar replacement gun as the bar is what ruined era and turned it p2w.

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My suggestion we add more hp to the players that wont get people mad.
Down here i made some calculations
Lets see the effect of 1 less dmg how it will look like
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After 1 less dmg is removed
4dmg needs 13 shoots to kill
Before
5dmg needs 10shoots to kill
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After 1 less dmg is removed
5dmg needs 10shoots to kill
Before
6dmg needs 9shoots to kill
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After 1 less dmg is removed
6dmg needs 9shoots to kill
Before
7dmg needs 8shoots to kill
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After 1 less dmg is removed
7dmg needs 8shoots to kill
Before
8dmg needs 7shoots to kill
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After 1 less dmg is removed
8dmg needs 7shoots to kill
Before
9dmg needs 6shoots to kill
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After 1 less dmg is removed
9dmg needs 6shoots to kill
Before
10dmg needs 5shoots to kill
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After 1 less dmg is removed
10dmg needs 5 shoots to kill
Before
11dmg needs 5 shoots to kill (Still same)
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After 1 less dmg is removed
11dmg needs 5 shoots to kill
Before
12dmg needs 5 shoots to kill (still same)
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Idk if there is more dmg than 12dmg currently in game and idk if there is less than 4dmg guns in game.

Thats how effective it will be most likely the trash guns of era will be from 5dmg guns to 4 and lower which is flame thrower one of them it deals 5dmg and requires 10 shoots after the 1dmg will be taken away it will need 13shoots which is 3 more shoots unless this kind of guns gets a buff in dmg ,after i did the calculations i agree why not make 1 less dmg but u need first to make a deep search in guns dmg before making a single step!!!!(THE GUNS THAT USE TO DEAL 5DMG WILL NEED INSTEAD OF 10SHOOTS WILL BE 13SHOOTS WHICH IS 3MORE SHOOTS AND ALOT WORST IT WILL BE ON ANY KIND OF GUNS THAT DEALS LESS THAN 4DMG WHICH IS TOTALLY UNFAIR COMPARED TO THE REST OF THE GUNS.
ALSO AFTER PERFECT SHAPE IS TAKEN AWAY VIP SHOULD GET DISCOUNT you see how 1 dmg can harm all the game system there is more and more.


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@beo
No thanks, go play olwest.

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Originally Posted by imaginary

@beo
No thanks, go play olwest.

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Lol i don't play olwest maybe sam should [emoji23]


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West has the worst gun system ever. Melees dominate and guns are impossible to get a kill with if they just run from you, and nerfing* guns in this game and or adding health would do the same. Cause melee flag rushers to thrive cause guns won't have enough stopping power to drop them.

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Originally Posted by Link Co

West has the worst gun system ever. Melees dominate and guns are impossible to get a kill with if they just run from you. And needing guns in this game and or adding health would do the same. Cause melee flag rushers to thrive cause guns won't have enough stopping power to drop them.

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It will be calculated as well might be bad suggestion i see


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And beo your calculations are horrible you we're saying 11 and 12 damage guns took 10 shots while 10 damage took 5 shots. Well anyway only way I see this perfect thing working is if some other things got changed in the game.

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Originally Posted by Link Co

And beo your calculations are horrible you we're saying 11 and 12 damage guns took 10 shots while 10 damage took 5 shots. Well anyway only way I see this perfect thing working is if some other things got changed in the game.

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Yes specially guns that use to deal 5 dmg in perfect shape it will be 4 dmg which will add more 3shoots and more shoots will be add to this kind of guns that use to deal 4 dmg in perfect will be 3dmg after perfect is taken away and so on, so basically this guns will need a buff in dmg to be equal to the rest and make it 1 more shoot {so yea alot of changes need to be done before taking away the perfect shape which i see it will take alot of work to make it done more than just talking away the perfect shape it sounds easy but its not as you think.
[emoji23] my bad i missed up at the last i will fix it ty
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Scrap this idea or half the era population will quit, no joke...

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Originally Posted by NicholasGraalOnlineEra

Scrap this idea or half the era population will quit, no joke...

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Good then we will have a good server or atleast it will be better a bit lol


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Originally Posted by Beo

Good then we will have a good server or atleast it will be better a bit lol


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Less pks tho, that's the one bad part about it

Yes but that's not fair seeing as bar was 5 shot kill and would now be 6 shot as all of the know 8 dmg guns


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Originally Posted by SPA

Yes but that's not fair seeing as bar was 5 shot kill and would now be 6 shot as all of the know 8 dmg guns


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^^^^^^^^^

I have no idea what sam is coming up with these days

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Originally Posted by N!chola$

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I have no idea what sam is coming up with these days

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He needs to think of the gun skins or maybe search what an auction ''An auction is a place/store where you bid until there are no bidders with money left''


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Originally Posted by N!chola$

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I have no idea what sam is coming up with these days

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Drugs man

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Originally Posted by imaginary

Drugs man

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The problem is now one is getting addicted to them.

#helpbitzsam

Starting a GoFundMe page to help Sam's addiction

Don't worry bitzsam we all support you
Just stop your addiction it isn't impossible

Sometimes we disagree with you Sam but we love you <3

Yes now Fire bitzsam and ban him before he does something crazy

Fired before he makes acid gun that becomes chem's sister but has unlimited ammo and 10 damage with same fire rate as chem

What is this gross thread, don't nerf something if it isn't broken

My only mistake is that my expectations of the majority of this communities ability to understand basic concepts and have an actual realistic discussion of balance and how to make the server fairer is too high.

Because most of you can't seem to grasp something that should be fairly basic to understand, i'll explain it in pre-school terms in the hopes that will get to some of you.

Billy has 4 chocolates, his sister sarah has 3. Their mother decided that they both had too much chocolate so she took one away from both of them.
Billy now has 3 chocolates whilst sarah has 2. Whilst both have less chocolates before, Billy still has 1 more chocolate than sarah does

Literally. If all guns are effected the same way, the hierarchy of guns stays the same. If BAR is doing 9 damage instead of 10, then The GM4 is doing 8 damage instead of 9. Therefore the BAR is still better because it still requires 1 less shot to kill. Why is is so hard for you guys to understand

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Originally Posted by imaginary

Yes now Fire bitzsam and ban him before he does something crazy

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1/10 of the posts you contribute are constructive towards the thread. Every other of the 9 posts are just to get your post count up for some unknown reason

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

My only mistake is that my expectations of the majority of this communities ability to understand basic concepts and have an actual realistic discussion of balance and how to make the server fairer is too high.

Because most of you can't seem to grasp something that should be fairly basic to understand, i'll explain it in pre-school terms in the hopes that will get to some of you.

Billy has 4 chocolates, his sister sarah has 3. Their mother decided that they both had too much chocolate so she took one away from both of them.
Billy now has 3 chocolates whilst sarah has 2. Whilst both have less chocolates before, Billy still has 1 more chocolate than sarah does

Literally. If all guns are effected the same way, the hierarchy of guns stays the same. If BAR is doing 9 damage instead of 10, then The GM4 is doing 8 damage instead of 9. Therefore the BAR is still better because it still requires 1 less shot to kill. Why is is so hard for you guys to understand

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My only mistske is that i thought u could read posts

Most forumer said no many in game will complain. Bitz ur a good guy but no need to change this system.

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Originally Posted by Donal4Prez

My only mistske is that i thought u could read posts

Most forumer said no many in game will complain. Bitz ur a good guy but no need to change this system.

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Yes but usually when you disagree, you provide an alternative.
Every response just equates to 'no pls admin my bar is 10 damage I want to kill in 5 bullets admin if this happens I only kill in 6 pls I spent $200 and 5 days convincing my parents to let me buy this gun'

This games combat system is not that great, there is potential to improve it to make it more fun. This change isnt even big, it just makes guns function the way they were intended to. Perfect shape was not in this game on release, it was added months after, before that guns like the M4 and BAR were only dealing 8 and 9 damage.
Defenders, runners, connection all gives various advantages. The different connection strengths people have impact the flow of the game. You could be dodging bullets and then all of a sudden your game temporarily freezes and then you are dead right away. Or you could be shooting someone, they then lag and all of a sudden there are 3 bullets coming towards you.
I'm just trying to lessen the impact some of those unfair things have on you as a player

Perfect damage was not a gun admin decision. Or something added in order to benefit guns. Perfect shape was added along the mining update a way to force people to start mining and use the minerals instead of it being just another job update that was effectively a slower shovelling job

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

Yes but usually when you disagree, you provide an alternative.
Every response just equates to 'no pls admin my bar is 10 damage I want to kill in 5 bullets admin if this happens I only kill in 6 pls I spent $200 and 5 days convincing my parents to let me buy this gun'

This games combat system is not that great, there is potential to improve it to make it more fun. This change isnt even big, it just makes guns function the way they were intended to. Perfect shape was not in this game on release, it was added months after, before that guns like the M4 and BAR were only dealing 8 and 9 damage.
Defenders, runners, connection all gives various advantages. The different connection strengths people have impact the flow of the game. You could be dodging bullets and then all of a sudden your game temporarily freezes and then you are dead right away. Or you could be shooting someone, they then lag and all of a sudden there are 3 bullets coming towards you.
I'm just trying to lessen the impact some of those unfair things have on you as a player

Perfect damage was not a gun admin decision. Or something added in order to benefit guns. Perfect shape was added along the mining update a way to force people to start mining and use the minerals instead of it being just another job update that was effectively a slower shovelling job

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What about the guns that use to deal 5dmg in perfect which needs 10 bullets but after the perfect shape is taken away it will need 3 more bullets and more bullets will be add to those guns that use to deal 4 in perfect and so on are u welling to buff this guns before u take away the perfect shape


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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

My only mistake is that my expectations of the majority of this communities ability to understand basic concepts and have an actual realistic discussion of balance and how to make the server fairer is too high.

Because most of you can't seem to grasp something that should be fairly basic to understand, i'll explain it in pre-school terms in the hopes that will get to some of you.

Billy has 4 chocolates, his sister sarah has 3. Their mother decided that they both had too much chocolate so she took one away from both of them.
Billy now has 3 chocolates whilst sarah has 2. Whilst both have less chocolates before, Billy still has 1 more chocolate than sarah does

Literally. If all guns are effected the same way, the hierarchy of guns stays the same. If BAR is doing 9 damage instead of 10, then The GM4 is doing 8 damage instead of 9. Therefore the BAR is still better because it still requires 1 less shot to kill. Why is is so hard for you guys to understand

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1/10 of the posts you contribute are constructive towards the thread. Every other of the 9 posts are just to get your post count up for some unknown reason

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What if belly had 4 chocolate bars 2 of them are big bars and sarah had 4 chocolate bars 2 of them are big bars of chocolate and when their mom decided to take one of each she took from billy the big bar of chocolate and when she took from sarah she took the the normal size , thats not fair it represents that guns like flame will need more 3 bullets to kill one person while gm4 and bar will need only 1 bullet to kill i have made a small calculations in the previous page .


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Originally Posted by Beo

What if belly had 4 chocolate bars 2 of them are big bars and sarah had 4 chocolate bars 2 of them are big bars of chocolate and when their mom decided to take one of each she took from billy the big bar of chocolate and when she took from sarah she took the the normal size , thats not fair it represents that guns like flame will need more 3 bullets to kill one person while gm4 and bar will need only 1 bullet to kill i have made a small calculations in the previous page .


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I said to ignore those types of guns. The concept is that each gun would require 1 more bullet to kill. Guns like those would be accounted for so that they don't take more than 1 extra

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

I said to ignore those types of guns. The concept is that each gun would require 1 more bullet to kill. Guns like those would be accounted for so that they don't take more than 1 extra

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That fair ,
1 small complain i dont think i need to make a full thread for it in pz heal room chem still can be used there thanks.


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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

My only mistake is that my expectations of the majority of this communities ability to understand basic concepts and have an actual realistic discussion of balance and how to make the server fairer is too high.

Because most of you can't seem to grasp something that should be fairly basic to understand, i'll explain it in pre-school terms in the hopes that will get to some of you.

Billy has 4 chocolates, his sister sarah has 3. Their mother decided that they both had too much chocolate so she took one away from both of them.
Billy now has 3 chocolates whilst sarah has 2. Whilst both have less chocolates before, Billy still has 1 more chocolate than sarah does

Literally. If all guns are effected the same way, the hierarchy of guns stays the same. If BAR is doing 9 damage instead of 10, then The GM4 is doing 8 damage instead of 9. Therefore the BAR is still better because it still requires 1 less shot to kill. Why is is so hard for you guys to understand

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You're the one who doesn't understand that we don't want this system

I would prefer if gun conditions were removed altogether but that's just my opinion

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Originally Posted by imaginary

You're the one who doesn't understand that we don't want this system

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Ikr

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Originally Posted by imaginary

You're the one who doesn't understand that we don't want this system

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Yea^^^^

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Originally Posted by imaginary

You're the one who doesn't understand that we don't want this system

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Well you don't speak for everyone on this thread, hence why not everyone would agree with that

We don't have to agree with your idea if you want to help and your the guy who care about people and fair guy etc ban explosives mode from neo from your exotic gun or u don't actually do anything to your items while when a report about chem comes u be like a rocket to get it done coz its not your item


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If it ain't broke don't fix it :)


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Originally Posted by Potato Graal

If it ain't broke don't fix it :)


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But it is broken? The gameplay is far from polished. This isn't a game series where we can just released an ERA 2 that has all these new combat mechanics, it's a singular game and thus needs to progressively evolve so that you don't get bored of it. You may not be bored right now (however a lot of people are) and so stuff needs to change before its at the point where you've quit already and updating it makes no difference.

It's at the point currently where I can't really sell anymore guns without them being clones of another gun because of how many we have, the limited amount of variable there are to change, and the fact that is there isn't something new/ unique to set it apart, there is no reason to buy it when most people have the BAR already.

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But it is broken? The gameplay is far from polished. This isn't a game series where we can just released an ERA 2 that has all these new combat mechanics, it's a singular game and thus needs to progressively evolve so that you don't get bored of it. You may not be bored right now (however a lot of people are) and so stuff needs to change before its at the point where you've quit already and updating it makes no difference.

It's at the point currently where I can't really sell anymore guns without them being clones of another gun because of how many we have, the limited amount of variable there are to change, and the fact that is there isn't something new/ unique to set it apart, there is no reason to buy it when most people have the BAR already.

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I see your point, but just nerfing all of iEra's gun is not the answer. Why don't you work on Country Side instead?

Imma be real with you right now, the reasons people are quiting are the following:

-Family
-school
-LIFE
-kids
-Server sucks
-they found a new game that interests them