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03-07-2017, 05:36 AM
hohi416

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Originally Posted by iMagicBae

Funny thing is that he might add this regardless if player's opinion.

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Ikr he adds things he wants
03-07-2017, 06:15 AM
BiTzSam

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Originally Posted by hohi416

Ikr he adds things he wants

This is a server of a game, and I am the person working for it, free or not.
Do you see other games not adding things unless every single players wants it? No. Most games don't even take feedback whatsoever.
It's not like I will be unaffected by this change, I will also have to buy ammo if something like this happens. The difference is I am free from the bias many of you have of putting your personal interests in front of what could benefit the game as a whole.
03-07-2017, 06:59 AM
N!chola$

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

This is a server of a game, and I am the person working for it, free or not.
Do you see other games not adding things unless every single players wants it? No. Most games don't even take feedback whatsoever.
It's not like I will be unaffected by this change, I will also have to buy ammo if something like this happens. The difference is I am free from the bias many of you have of putting your personal interests in front of what could benefit the game as a whole.

Ok, so I went on Obsidian tag today and told them about limiting ammo and perfect shape and they all disagreed with it. Someone actually said you will rage quit with all the hate you will receive. So I told them all to make a Era-go account and post their complaint here and on the perfect shape thread.

This change is only what you want, not what everyone wants.

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Ill take screen shots of them saying it so you don't think I'm all talk. With their permission of course...
03-07-2017, 07:27 AM
BiTzSam

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Originally Posted by N!chola$

Ok, so I went on Obsidian tag today and told them about limiting ammo and perfect shape and they all disagreed with it. Someone actually said you will rage quit with all the hate you will receive. So I told them all to make a Era-go account and post their complaint here and on the perfect shape thread.

This change is only what you want, not what everyone wants.

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Ill take screen shots of them saying it so you don't think I'm all talk. With their permission of course...

Refer back to what I just said. Of course obsidian members would hate the change because they participate in the issues I explained unlimited ammo causes. (Sitting in bases spamming one way entry points, all using bars/ other high tier guns etc)

Also obsidian probably isn't the best reference point as they almost exclusively care only for their gangs status. Any change that could impact that, they will be against it, regardless of whether it makes the game better for everyone. If they could have their way, they'd have gang guns that did 20 damage and think thats fair purely based on their own self interest.

If I made a poll asking who wants the bar to be nerfed, the results would be most people saying they don't. The bar is op, they know it, but because most people think for themselves even though nerfing the bar would make the game fairer for everyone, they don't want it to happen because they paid for the gun.
Same principle applies for this thread more or less. People will disagree not because the change isn't beneficial, but because it will reduce their overall effectiveness of the overpowered guns they own
03-07-2017, 07:48 AM
Graal Pro

This is a great idea by bitzsam if ur gonna roast bitzsam you gotta go through me if you roast sammy then kys
03-07-2017, 09:56 AM
Donal4Prez

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Originally Posted by Graal Pro

This is a great idea by bitzsam if ur gonna roast bitzsam you gotta go through me if you roast sammy then kys

Shut up chase, ya enjoy ur ban? Do you even play era lmao cus on graalians you always be trash talking iera yet you still use its forums.
03-07-2017, 11:34 AM
Czar Misago

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

Refer back to what I just said. Of course obsidian members would hate the change because they participate in the issues I explained unlimited ammo causes. (Sitting in bases spamming one way entry points, all using bars/ other high tier guns etc)

Also obsidian probably isn't the best reference point as they almost exclusively care only for their gangs status. Any change that could impact that, they will be against it, regardless of whether it makes the game better for everyone. If they could have their way, they'd have gang guns that did 20 damage and think thats fair purely based on their own self interest.

If I made a poll asking who wants the bar to be nerfed, the results would be most people saying they don't. The bar is op, they know it, but because most people think for themselves even though nerfing the bar would make the game fairer for everyone, they don't want it to happen because they paid for the gun.
Same principle applies for this thread more or less. People will disagree not because the change isn't beneficial, but because it will reduce their overall effectiveness of the overpowered guns they own

LMAO bar is not OP, if it was you would have nerfed it by now just like you did to the chem lmao just stfu at this point you're just saying bs
03-07-2017, 11:44 AM
Lazerlatte

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Originally Posted by Czar Misago

LMAO bar is not OP, if it was you would have nerfed it by now just like you did to the chem lmao just stfu at this point you're just saying bs

He's said before that BAR can't exactly be fixed by nerfing it. He admits the way it became the go-to gun for mowing people down in most situations was a huge mistake.

Just stop being arrogant and ignorant.
03-07-2017, 12:01 PM
Czar Misago

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Originally Posted by Lazerlatte

He's said before that BAR can't exactly be fixed by nerfing it. He admits the way it became the go-to gun for mowing people down in most situations was a huge mistake.

Just stop being arrogant and ignorant.

Lmao ride him more and obviously it can be fixed (if it was even OP) by nerfing it because thats the whole point of NERFING lmao. Obviously in a straight row spam match but I have seen countless times of guns out maneuvering the bar in 1v1s lmao? Besides people didn't waste 200k on a gun because they want people with a 55k gun to stand more of a chance against them, the game is p2w Sam just work on countryside.
03-07-2017, 03:23 PM
N!chola$

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Originally Posted by Czar Misago

Lmao ride him more and obviously it can be fixed (if it was even OP) by nerfing it because thats the whole point of NERFING lmao. Obviously in a straight row spam match but I have seen countless times of guns out maneuvering the bar in 1v1s lmao? Besides people didn't waste 200k on a gun because they want people with a 55k gun to stand more of a chance against them, the game is p2w Sam just work on countryside.

Roasted and toasted...
03-07-2017, 03:48 PM
Graal Pro

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Originally Posted by Donal4Prez

Shut up chase, ya enjoy ur ban? Do you even play era lmao cus on graalians you always be trash talking iera yet you still use its forums.

I dont even have graalians account idiot tell mods to compare ip
03-07-2017, 10:57 PM
BiTzSam

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Originally Posted by N!chola$

Roasted and toasted...

I miss the "have a nice day" Nick.

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Originally Posted by Czar Misago

Lmao ride him more and obviously it can be fixed (if it was even OP) by nerfing it because thats the whole point of NERFING lmao. Obviously in a straight row spam match but I have seen countless times of guns out maneuvering the bar in 1v1s lmao? Besides people didn't waste 200k on a gun because they want people with a 55k gun to stand more of a chance against them, the game is p2w Sam just work on countryside.

So just because he doesn't share the same opinion as you means he is trying to suck up to me? Am I reading that right?

What he said is correct, the BAR is OP however not a lot can be done to its stats at this point because of how many people own it and the fact its been so long since it was released. The BAR was just used in an example anyway, one that you demonstrated for me in the fact that people will defend/ justify something that they know is OP or unfair purely to preserve their self interests despite it being better for the game as a whole, IE this threads topic and many of the responses. In this case being wanting to keep the OP bar, op. The second part about people not wanting to waste 200k is almost a direct reference to what I said people would say, so thanks for proving my point!

Also just know it's kind of ridiculous to keep telling me to work on countryside. Yes I am working on it, but my job is a GUN admin. So telling me to work on something other than my primary job on this server kinda makes me question your integrity
03-08-2017, 12:10 AM
Amazing Ace

Honestly why don't we implement your idea for like a week and gather feedback after that. Because this thread is going no where.
03-08-2017, 12:10 AM
Czar Misago

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

I miss the "have a nice day" Nick.

So just because he doesn't share the same opinion as you means he is trying to suck up to me? Am I reading that right?

What he said is correct, the BAR is OP however not a lot can be done to its stats at this point because of how many people own it and the fact its been so long since it was released. The BAR was just used in an example anyway, one that you demonstrated for me in the fact that people will defend/ justify something that they know is OP or unfair purely to preserve their self interests despite it being better for the game as a whole, IE this threads topic and many of the responses. In this case being wanting to keep the OP bar, op. The second part about people not wanting to waste 200k is almost a direct reference to what I said people would say, so thanks for proving my point!

Also just know it's kind of ridiculous to keep telling me to work on countryside. Yes I am working on it, but my job is a GUN admin. So telling me to work on something other than my primary job on this server kinda makes me question your integrity

Telling you to finish something that has been promised to us for years is making you question my integrity?? Lmao it should be the other way around and about the amount of people owning bar blah blah blah never stopped you from nerfing it before?? Also you completely went against what you said about chem saying you nerfed it because too many people have it and now you say too many people have bar for it to be nerfed. GG
03-08-2017, 02:45 AM
BiTzSam

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Originally Posted by Czar Misago

Telling you to finish something that has been promised to us for years is making you question my integrity?? Lmao it should be the other way around and about the amount of people owning bar blah blah blah never stopped you from nerfing it before?? Also you completely went against what you said about chem saying you nerfed it because too many people have it and now you say too many people have bar for it to be nerfed. GG

Chem is free, BAR isn't.
03-08-2017, 02:48 AM
Abdullah1441

Where would we get the new ammo? In a shop? Or off the streets?
03-08-2017, 02:50 AM
BiTzSam

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Originally Posted by AliGamer911

Where would we get the new ammo? In a shop? Or off the streets?

There would be several shops around the map
03-08-2017, 03:03 AM
Beo

Not a good idea actually pkers will be doomed those who pk streets and people pay vip for limited ammo actually u could say the ammo pack contains all the kinds of ammo,s ....

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03-08-2017, 03:08 AM
Beo

This idea as well could be used in events for example in spar gives u 100 ammo clip so u actually have to use them wisely while sparring no spamm and then after the ammo is out you probably could use ammo but about base and the pkers that will make it worst for them in spar it will bring skills / no spamm

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03-08-2017, 03:42 AM
N!chola$

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

I miss the "have a nice day" Nick.

So just because he doesn't share the same opinion as you means he is trying to suck up to me? Am I reading that right?

What he said is correct, the BAR is OP however not a lot can be done to its stats at this point because of how many people own it and the fact its been so long since it was released. The BAR was just used in an example anyway, one that you demonstrated for me in the fact that people will defend/ justify something that they know is OP or unfair purely to preserve their self interests despite it being better for the game as a whole, IE this threads topic and many of the responses. In this case being wanting to keep the OP bar, op. The second part about people not wanting to waste 200k is almost a direct reference to what I said people would say, so thanks for proving my point!

Also just know it's kind of ridiculous to keep telling me to work on countryside. Yes I am working on it, but my job is a GUN admin. So telling me to work on something other than my primary job on this server kinda makes me question your integrity

Well I cant say "I don't mean what I'm saying" because I do. As a on/off pker for 3 years now I get annoyed just by having to struggle for vip to get the unlimited ammo and revive. I and others feel it would be a big shock/down fall to our pking goals. We would be getting 20% less kills due to 1. Running out of ammo 2. Running to the ammo store to refill a gun 3. Getting the money for the ammo pack if they are short.

Now your gonna say "THATS IRRELEVANT, I told you I the ammo packs would be $10-$20"

So let me give you an example:
Bob is pking on the bridge and runs out of ammo he has only $2, so he goes to check the price for an ammo pack because its new. So he gets to Ricks utilities to check it out and its $15, so bob checks his inventory of what sellables he has: however, he has NONE. Bob gets his trash pick out and goes on the beach to try and get 3-4 pieces of trash, by that time he has already spent 10 mins of missing out on pks. When Bob gets all the trash he goes to sell the trash at the nearest recycling centre to deposit it, bob now has over $15!!! He continues to go to Rick's Utilities to purchase the ammo pack for only 6000 rifle ammo. Then 1 hour later there's a Fort at BBZ he wants to participate in it, so he continues to go and joins a gang called "Ventus Family Fort" BUT he runs out of ammo and has to refill. So he goes to sell the body parts that he received from killing others. BUT WAIT he gets kicked from Ventus Family Fort, for not participating/slacking.

This is just one example that can screw a pker up, NOW I don't mean to come across rude.
(Sorry if there is any grammar or spelling errors, I'm in a rush)

Have a nice day!:)
03-08-2017, 03:55 AM
Abdullah1441

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Originally Posted by N!chola$

Well I cant say "I don't mean what I'm saying" because I do. As a on/off pker for 3 years now I get annoyed just by having to struggle for vip to get the unlimited ammo and revive. I and others feel it would be a big shock/down fall to our pking goals. We would be getting 20% less kills due to 1. Running out of ammo 2. Running to the ammo store to refill a gun 3. Getting the money for the ammo pack if they are short.

Now your gonna say "THATS IRRELEVANT, I told you I the ammo packs would be $10-$20"

So let me give you an example:
Bob is pking on the bridge and runs out of ammo he has only $2, so he goes to check the price for an ammo pack because its new. So he gets to Ricks utilities to check it out and its $15, so bob checks his inventory of what sellables he has: however, he has NONE. Bob gets his trash pick out and goes on the beach to try and get 3-4 pieces of trash, by that time he has already spent 10 mins of missing out on pks. When Bob gets all the trash he goes to sell the trash at the nearest recycling centre to deposit it, bob now has over $15!!! He continues to go to Rick's Utilities to purchase the ammo pack for only 6000 rifle ammo. Then 1 hour later there's a Fort at BBZ he wants to participate in it, so he continues to go and joins a gang called "Ventus Family Fort" BUT he runs out of ammo and has to refill. So he goes to sell the body parts that he received from killing others. BUT WAIT he gets kicked from Ventus Family Fort, for not participating/slacking.

This is just one example that can screw a pker up, NOW I don't mean to come across rude.
(Sorry if there is any grammar or spelling errors, I'm in a rush)

Have a nice day!:)

About 84% of all iEra basers buy Gralats Packs. Your argument is irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

There would be several shops around the map

Okay, I approve of this idea. Add it to iEra
03-08-2017, 04:58 AM
N!chola$

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Originally Posted by AliGamer911

About 84% of all iEra basers buy Gralats Packs. Your argument is irrelevant.

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Okay, I approve of this idea. Add it to iEra

Your irrelevant to this thread, you don't pk.

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"no nick I do pk, I have 20k kills" lol
03-08-2017, 05:06 AM
Graal Pro

Limit the ammos please i hate spammers and pkers and those idiots stopping my car mission
03-08-2017, 05:14 AM
Donal4Prez

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Originally Posted by N!chola$

Your irrelevant to this thread, you don't pk.

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"no nick I do pk, I have 20k kills" lol

He has 1.6k kills lool
03-08-2017, 06:20 AM
Abdullah1441

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Originally Posted by N!chola$

Your irrelevant to this thread, you don't pk.

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"no nick I do pk, I have 20k kills" lol

Ouch. That hurt. What happened to the old Nicholas we all knew and loved?
(Btw I'm adding that to the Quote Wall XD lol)

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Originally Posted by Donal4Prez

He has 1.6k kills lool

Long time no see, how about we keep it that way?
03-08-2017, 06:41 AM
Donal4Prez

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Originally Posted by AliGamer911

Long time no see, how about we keep it that way?

Its a no from me.

I thought you quit to classic why do you feel the need to express your opinions on a game you quit. Go to graalians and go spam them. Anyways what is the best gun you own? How much regularly do you use it? Cause to me it looks like you have only used it for 1.6k kills. You say that you miss the old nicholas yet he is just expressing his opinion and being truthful. Go to the minecraft forums if you would like people to always be kind and such. كلب

@bitz add this to country side only. Do whatever you like to country side remove perfect condition and such, anything you would like to do with your immense power.
03-08-2017, 07:05 AM
N!chola$

BiTzSam, why don't you try this "system" in countryside when its released an if a lot of people like it by having an ingame poll, then Implement it.

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Originally Posted by AliGamer911

Ouch. That hurt. What happened to the old Nicholas we all knew and loved?
(Btw I'm adding that to the Quote Wall XD lol)

What happened? Someone trying to ruin my pking by coming up with the idea of taking away Perfect shape and unlimited ammo.

And thanks for adding me
03-08-2017, 07:55 AM
BiTzSam

You can't add a system like this to 'just countryside'. This has nothing to do with countryside anyway, countryside isn't even pk orientated it makes no sense for this to even be done primarily for countryside
03-08-2017, 08:34 AM
N!chola$

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

You can't add a system like this to 'just countryside'. This has nothing to do with countryside anyway, countryside isn't even pk orientated it makes no sense for this to even be done primarily for countryside

I meant in the bases, that you said were gonna be in countryside.
Also a rumor I heard was that MPX gun was the only gun you could use in those bases, is it true?
03-08-2017, 10:57 AM
Beo

Limiting Ammo

If the game died u need to know thats all coz of sam with his ideas

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03-08-2017, 02:53 PM
Fze

Just seems like another way to make players waste money. Leave unlimited ammo in VIP
03-08-2017, 05:19 PM
N!chola$

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Originally Posted by Fze

Just seems like another way to make players waste money. Leave unlimited ammo in VIP

Yes ill be happy with it then.
03-09-2017, 12:34 AM
BiTzSam

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Originally Posted by Fze

Just seems like another way to make players waste money. Leave unlimited ammo in VIP

Leaving unlimited ammo with VIP something that also costs money would then just disadvantage everyone else who didn't buy VIP. Either way you are paying for ammo
03-09-2017, 02:40 AM
N!chola$

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

Leaving unlimited ammo with VIP something that also costs money would then just disadvantage everyone else who didn't buy VIP. Either way you are paying for ammo

Yes but buying it in vip for unlimited ammo would be way more beneficial
03-09-2017, 03:12 AM
Fze

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

Leaving unlimited ammo with VIP something that also costs money would then just disadvantage everyone else who didn't buy VIP. Either way you are paying for ammo

Of course there would be a advantage for someone that bought VIP over someone who didn't. Would be no reason to pay 7500 for it if there wasn't. Your idea just basically is to make ammo harder to obtain due to the extra price so players can't spam their guns which won't contribute anything beneficial to the game whatsoever
03-09-2017, 03:43 AM
hohi416

will cause high inconvenience. if you are complaining about people spamming then do it yourself or just dont go in pk areas
03-09-2017, 11:51 PM
Czar Misago

The idea is so dumb and useless, vip players already have an advantage with speed boost and other things are you gonna take those away to just to make it more "fair"? We're always so worried about making the game fair for noobs yet when I started no one was there to help make the game "fair" for me. If they really wanna play maybe they will actually work on things such as get guns and stuff so they could balance the odds. The game wasn't made for everyone to have a fair chance against everyone because then no one would have anything to work towards
03-13-2017, 05:32 AM
Link Co

I agree with this idea as long as vip still gives unlimited ammo

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03-13-2017, 05:39 AM
Link Co

And anyone that disagrees with this idea literally isn't thinking...

10k so max usable by any gun

Vs

Ammo Category's Explosive, SMG, Assault, Sniper, Pistol, Cell (for the energy weapons that don't already have unlimited rechargeable ammo), then maybe Other for guns like water pistols etc

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03-13-2017, 06:55 AM
N!chola$

As long as unlimited ammo stays in vip then I'm fine with it.

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