Basing System Rework

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Originally Posted by SuperSam

I'd suggest decreasing the gang score to every month, as working for just 5 points each 3 months would seem a bit more overworked than just holding a base itself.

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You misunderstood. It's not 5 points, it's the top 5 gangs that earn points. Eg gang 1 get 100, gang 2 gets 80 etc

Wait so y’all dont have a lack of scripters now, but a lack of LAT? ok so obviously “Countryside” isn’t the main topic of this thread, but initially was meant to be a separate server (Gmap) from Betty (Graal era server), but wasn’t Countryside supposedly have more bases and fresher content? why not work on that to freshen up more content, more bases, and more experience for players to enjoy two different gmap?
I’m asking, not telling you to do it or anything .

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Originally Posted by Czar Misago

There isn't an argument against this idea at all they have prepared for all situations with this update such as it returning to the way it was which is why they are capping rewards, and adding gang points (brings competition) and separating the bases (brings competition) and if all else fails and you sneaky ones find a way to still make alliances im sure they wouldn't mind removing a few bases to add some new shops

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Idrk who you are but ik misago is a failed basing gang who was allies with deadsec and once deadsec died left yall screwed so i understand why your here but yea misago wont get a base anyway coz they sucked.

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Originally Posted by Dragon38

I recommend not doing this everything is fine the way it is -Jackson N. Lowry

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You only are saying this because you are apart of a gang that will be greatly affected by this update which I understand why you're against because I'm in the same gang too but every once in awhile the big gangs gotta prove that their still good enough to be considered one of the best gangs I.e. The gang fortress, we should be basing to be the BEST not so we can have afk in a base all day and show off our rewards to our pixel gfs

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Originally Posted by Zernov

Currently looking at the map, 9/10 gangs holding are either over 10k hours or 1k hours off. When the gang fortress opens these 9 gans would have to fight over 3 flags if they wish to continue gaining their hours which also at the same time opens up 9 bases for newer gangs to come base at. Also the new reward system of moving the gang hideout up to 12.5k hours would put all higher grade rewards over 10k so unless all they want is hats gangs would need to compete for their hours rather than forming alliances with each other across the map to achieve free rewards. As some keep suggesting, newer gangs are only coming in the field nowadays through making peace with others and being able to fill main and subs whenever someone attempts to take their base which ruins the point of basing.

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Thankyou, this is exactly the point i'm hoping to convey. I just don't think some people are understanding this as they're caught up in the current alliances continuing over to the gang fortress, which simply won't be maintainable due to the limited nature of it.

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Originally Posted by Tomlacroixgraal

Idrk who you are but ik misago is a failed basing gang who was allies with deadsec and once deadsec died left yall screwed so i understand why your here but yea misago wont get a base anyway coz they sucked.

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Its a old name never use the forums much but no im nbk

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

Thankyou, this is exactly the point i'm hoping to convey. I just don't think some people are understanding this as they're caught up in the current alliances continuing over to the gang fortress, which simply won't be maintainable due to the limited nature of it.

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The creation of the Fortress can easily create more drama within gangs than it had earlier this month and last month. There would be gangs still be sharing in the Fortress, besides of how the system works for gangs 10k+.

This is going to give noob gangs like bwwwc, darkings,and gaza a good advantage to accually get 2k wich is really bad

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Originally Posted by Czar Misago

Its a old name never use the forums much but no im nbk

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O well nbk wont secure a base fortress base so id be quiet.

The main purpose of this new system is to create war, but how long can a war last? We all know, it doesn't last long. This new system can only temporarily work. But you can't force 100 people war for a pixel base, at the end the gang which has 10+ lifeless people spending day and night staying base win the war and everything end. The only thing which can solve this thing is still the matter of gun. When era started till 2015, we all use ak47 and m4 to base. And now everyone has bar, and the newbies can't catch up our levels. When era started, newbies often pk base because less people own bar, and now, the fact is that newbie doesn't like to pk bases anymore as they have to deal with some guns very much stronger than them, they literally no chance of getting flag and they get bored soon quit this game. Without a doubt, newbies also known as noob are the one make basing funnier and entertaining.

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Originally Posted by Dragon38

This is going to give noob gangs like bwwwc, darkings,and gaza a good advantage to accually get 2k wich is really bad

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Pretty much, but other gangs has other tags to take such gangs down.

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

You misunderstood. It's not 5 points, it's the top 5 gangs that earn points. Eg gang 1 get 100, gang 2 gets 80 etc

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So what happens if a gang has 1999/2000 points at the end of season, are you seriously gonna make them wait 3 months for 1 point?

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Originally Posted by TheBlueSocks

Wait so y’all dont have a lack of scripters now, but a lack of LAT? ok so obviously “Countryside” isn’t the main topic of this thread, but initially was meant to be a separate server (Gmap) from Betty (Graal era server), but wasn’t Countryside supposedly have more bases and fresher content? why not work on that to freshen up more content, more bases, and more experience for players to enjoy two different gmap?
I’m asking, not telling you to do it or anything .

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You misunderstood. Countryside has a lack of scripters that can dedicate the time required to finishing it. Countryside solves a different issue to basing, yes it has a few more bases in it, but that isn't going to solve anything. Countrysides focus is on the AP 'align point" system AKA cops vs gangsters theme.

I'm saying this update 'base rework' will not face the same issue as countryside in terms of being delayed, as there is minimal script work required to finish it, as it is more a LAT orientated task, in building the levels. Of which i'm fairly sure we are not lacking in

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Originally Posted by SuperSam

The creation of the Fortress can easily create more drama within gangs than it had earlier this month and last month. There would be gangs still be sharing in the Fortress, besides of how the system works for gangs 10k+.

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Dude even you aren't dumb enough to think gangs like obsidian would even dare share base, us 10k+ hour gangs have too much pride to stoop that low, and you are only thinking of the near future when there are more than the current active 6 10+ hour gangs does it really sound like that maybe even 10 or so would share 3 bases?

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Originally Posted by XR

So what happens if a gang has 1999/2000 points at the end of season, are you seriously gonna make them wait 3 months for 1 point?

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Yes I am. There will be multiple rewards at different prices, they can either buy what's available or save it up for something later

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Originally Posted by Czar Misago

Dude even you aren't dumb enough to think gangs like obsidian would even dare share base, us 10k+ hour gangs have too much pride to stoop that low, and you are only thinking of the near future when there are more than the current active 6 10+ hour gangs does it really sound like that maybe even 10 or so would share 3 bases?

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They’d just farm rewards off another tag, it’s pointless. Gun nerfs and the Chem ban were supposed to change basing and it hasn’t done a single thing, it’s still the same gangs running everything

I dont feel like coming back off of a 2 month jail and seeing noob gangs owning a base-Jackson N. Lowry

I think change is needed but essentially killing 3-6/9 "major" gang sover 10k is kinda harsh. Also what happens when 3 gangs have homed rest given up they dont get pked coz people cant enter etc they could literally hold the bases with 0 online.

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Originally Posted by XR

They’d just farm rewards off another tag, it’s pointless. Gun nerfs and the Chem bam were supposed to change basing and it hasn’t done a single thing, it’s still the same gangs running everything

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Yea but he's moving all the good gang rewards pass 10k so they would eventually have to try to base at fortress forever creating a cycle of gangs attacking the fortress and also no gang makes it to 10k and wants to restart back at 0 just to go back to the stale basing they did before AND who really just wants hats? People want gun skins

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Originally Posted by XR

They’d just farm rewards off another tag, it’s pointless. Gun nerfs and the Chem ban were supposed to change basing and it hasn’t done a single thing, it’s still the same gangs running everything

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Nerf guns, make pking more accessible to more players with cheaper guns/ new players, remove chem the gun that ruined basing-
Implement a basing rework in which the gun nerfs will then become prominent in

Hmm..?

The gun nerfs were just the first step towards a bigger picture. It goes hand in hand with updating the basing system

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Originally Posted by Dragon38

I dont feel like coming back off of a 2 month jail and seeing noob gangs owning a base-Jackson N. Lowry

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They won’t, every gang will still have the same base, the fortress will be peaced between gangs

Wtf is going to happen about forts

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Originally Posted by Dragon38

Wtf is going to happen about forts

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They'll still exist just probably not within the gang fortress

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Originally Posted by Tomlacroixgraal

I think change is needed but essentially killing 3-6/9 "major" gang sover 10k is kinda harsh. Also what happens when 3 gangs have homed rest given up they dont get pked coz people cant enter etc they could literally hold the bases with 0 online.

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True, the bases will be empty cause nobody will attack them.

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Originally Posted by XR

They won’t, every gang will still have the same base, the fortress will be peaced between gangs

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Even if all 3 gangs holding the bases are at peace with each other (which makes no difference as they can't attack eachother anyway as they're busy defending their own bases). Then they won't be at peace with the gangs that don't have a base, as they... don't have a base... Therefore cannot earn hours unless they break the peace..?

And as time goes on, more gangs will hit 10k hours which means even more competition. More gangs + Less available bases = less ability to peace, more base conflict

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

Even if all 3 gangs holding the bases are at peace with each other (which makes no difference as they can't attack eachother anyway as they're busy defending their own bases). Then they won't be at peace with the gangs that don't have a base, as they... don't have a base... Therefore cannot earn hours unless they break the peace..?

And as time goes on, more gangs will hit 10k hours which means even more competition. More gangs + Less available bases = less ability to peace, more base conflict

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But you need to understand the baseless gangs won’t be able to come back, gangs like Obsidian would squash anybody who tried to break peace

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

Even if all 3 gangs holding the bases are at peace with each other (which makes no difference as they can't attack eachother anyway as they're busy defending their own bases). Then they won't be at peace with the gangs that don't have a base, as they... don't have a base... Therefore cannot earn hours unless they break the peace..?

And as time goes on, more gangs will hit 10k hours which means even more competition. More gangs + Less available bases = less ability to peace, more base conflict

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Basically said the same thing about how even if they do peace the other gangs still want to base, said it like 20 times their just going to say yet again how the gangs that don't get a spot will just farm in the under 10k under a new tag

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Originally Posted by XR

But you need to understand the baseless gangs won’t be able to come back, gangs like Obsidian would squash anybody who tried to break peace

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Obsidian is almost past 35k they have no reason to base lol

This system should be improved. It is very understanding to encourage new gangs to base, but people don't want to base because most of the players can't afford good guns to pk, no pk=no competition. All the big gangs are created because the pkers meet each other and start making basing gang. To encourage people basing, it is to encourage people pking.

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Originally Posted by Trix

This system should be improved. It is very understanding to encourage new gangs to base, but people don't want to base because most of the players can't afford good guns to pk, no pk=no competition. All the big gangs are created because the pkers meet each other and start making basing gang. To encourage people basing, it is to encourage people pking.

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That's why I rebalanced the majority of top guns, so that those players who want to base but can't afford the big guns, can get skilled with what they have and still compete.

People seemed to think my gun rebalancing was all about spar, when the reality was that my intentions of it were more focused towards facilitating the basing side.

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Originally Posted by Czar Misago

Basically said the same thing about how even if they do peace the other gangs still want to base, said it like 20 times their just going to say yet again how the gangs that don't get a spot will just farm in the under 10k under a new tag

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Obsidian is almost past 35k they have no reason to base lol

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They’ll use a second tag, and will base with it.

This doesn’t matter a ton to me anyways, I don’t base really, I just think it’s a bit silly trying to change something that can’t be changed. I’ll give my fair solution.

Option 1: Create new bases with an hour cap (2000, possibly higher), in which allows smaller gangs to gain hours through it, building themselves up as an established gang. This protects them from stronger gangs.

Option 2: Create the fortress but have it function as any other base would.
- Keep the hour format, it’s much easier to work with and has already been designed to be fair (creating a new system is time consuming and messes up the reward timeline)

Either way basing will stay the same, it’ll be the same gangs with the same hours, whether it be on their main tag or a second tag

Wonderful idea. But what if a gang reaches 10k hours while still inside a base? Will they teleported out, or allowed to keep the base until they loose it?

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Originally Posted by XR

They’ll use a second tag, and will base with it.

This doesn’t matter a ton to me anyways, I don’t base really, I just think it’s a bit silly trying to change something that can’t be changed. I’ll give my fair solution.

Option 1: Create new bases with an hour cap (2000, possibly higher), in which allows smaller gangs to gain hours through it, building themselves up as an established gang. This protects them from stronger gangs.

Option 2: Create the fortress but have it function as any other base would.
- Keep the hour format, it’s much easier to work with and has already been designed to be fair (creating a new system is time consuming and messes up the reward timeline)

Either way basing will stay the same, it’ll be the same gangs with the same hours, whether it be on their main tag or a second tag

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Hes not going to lower the hour cap because 2000 hours is quite easy to reach and doesn't really make a gang ready to take on a 10k + gang as we have seen before :rolleyes: and I don't think you understand how hard it would be to start back at 0 for a gang it is literally so unmotivating to be back at the beginning and for what? Just to start again once you reach 10k because you can't get the rewards you really want because you don't want to fight a bigger gang? Most people aren't like that and will just fold over and start again

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Originally Posted by Tomlacroixgraal

My gang (godelic) got 4k hours almost 2 years ago but have no hideout due to a lack of staff who either care or have the time. Do we miss out on our hideout becuase the game doesnt have enough staff. Same for many gangs;
Region
Elevation
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Alliances are an issue but making a "base fortress" is only going to free up 3 bases for the 3 gangs who go on to home the base fortress bases who will ally by jumping tag to tag to help eahc other hold down the bases. Say for instances Obs, Darkside and GPN get the 3 base fortress bases. Other gangs who are good enough to have gotten 10k arwnt gonna just quit they are gonna just make a new tag and if they do quit you are losing more players then you are gaining by making these changes. Only way to stop people farming rewards is by puttin a cap on how many rewards an acc can have e.g. 5 gangs hats if they get 6 they can choose to swap an old one out.

Also you clearly have an issue with gangs such as obs hence why you want to cap rewards at 35k and stop double basing and move them off map into a base fortress becuase you think they are too innactive to compete eventho all basers know they will step up. You aint fixing nothing just pissing off everyone who bases. A lot of these "new gangs" you want to have a chance at basing cant even beat a gang 1v1 which is why they dont have a base if you payed attention to the game you would see alliances are only used in wars between big gangs.

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answer this thxs

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Originally Posted by AliGamer911

Wonderful idea. But what if a gang reaches 10k hours while still inside a base? Will they teleported out, or allowed to keep the base until they loose it?

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This isn't an important issue lol

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Originally Posted by bluedragon123

answer this thxs

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He did like 4 times yes if they don't make a hideout before the change they miss out on their hideout and get a hat instead

Dangggggg

If u are gonna delete allies. Can u give the 2k gralats back to the leaders? Because wasting 2k for nothing is dumb.

This system is going to be a failure if you can't explain how this system is going to work. This system has too many drawbacks.

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Originally Posted by Wast

If u are gonna delete allies. Can u give the 2k gralats back to the leaders? Because wasting 2k for nothing is dumb.

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You'll still be allies just you can kill each other

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Originally Posted by Wast

If u are gonna delete allies. Can u give the 2k gralats back to the leaders? Because wasting 2k for nothing is dumb.

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Allies will stay, nobody said they’ll be removed. They’d just be tweaked in the fortress

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Originally Posted by Czar Misago

Hes not going to lower the hour cap because 2000 hours is quite easy to reach and doesn't really make a gang ready to take on a 10k + gang as we have seen before :rolleyes: and I don't think you understand how hard it would be to start back at 0 for a gang it is literally so unmotivating to be back at the beginning and for what? Just to start again once you reach 10k because you can't get the rewards you really want because you don't want to fight a bigger gang? Most people aren't like that and will just fold over and start again

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It’s not hard if you’re an established gang like every single one on the map