READ- Weapon Rebalancing

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

Xurs comments are 100% biased and appeals to you because you share his reasons. Guarantee you if he had the m4a3/ a gun that wasn't as significantly impacted he'd be fine with it the same way he said he was ok with the changes before the vector was included in the list

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The thing is if these guns had the stats you gave them to begin with people would not have purchased them. The reload time on p2k is ridiculous. Bar rof is unbearable. People purchased the weapons because the stats but your not addressing the fact people wasted time and money because it's not what they purchased originally. These are major changes not small ones. I feel bad for people who just got these guns. Regarding of how you see it the general conspiracy is this recent nerf was too much. There's nothing wrong with him agreeing with Xur you cant speculate on what his opinion would or wouldn't be. You talk about compromise in another post but will you? I don't think having another gun admin is a bad idea your knowledgeable but not perfect better choices can be made by multiple people.


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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

Yea so just because they have a better understanding of how game balance works and can see the benefits fairer gameplay provides means and don't share the same opinion as you means they are only supporting it because they want to be staff? Seriously?

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That or there kissing *** because apparently you're incapable of mistakes.


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Sorry but that is just a stupid comment to make. "Anyone else who shares a different opinion only do it to suck up to someone"

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

Sorry but that is just a stupid comment to make. "Anyone else who shares a different opinion only do it to suck up to someone"

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Regardless this situation needs to be moderated by a group not a singular person. People have different playing styles objectives and time spent on Era. I suggest everyone who has a problem with the recent changes continue to voice your opinion.


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Yea and people who have made unbiased suggestions have had their suggestions implemented IE- one person in this entire thread. Your answer is just 'revert changes' despite this being the 5th I've had to say this, if you want to compromise then post a statistical compromise.

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Originally Posted by Psycho Adelphos

Honestly the fact there is so much hate and complaining on this post wont help your situation at all. If you have suggestions for changes make them, all you need to do is share an idea that is actually reasonable and fair and I am sure Sam would meet you halfway. I can understand that you arent happy with some of the changes, thats normal like meph has said human nature is to resist change. But that does not mean you should act like children, if you want something changed put your feelings into something more productive.

I asked sam for a slightly larger clip on the shipka and he met me halfway from 14 to 15, I asked him for faster fire rate for a smaller clip with the p2ks and he met me there too. Those changes are the ones you see now and its resulted from normal human conversations with the decency to actually compromise. If you made proper suggestions perhaps you wouldnt be so upset as you are now.


And also thank you Bitzsam for following through on the suggestions, its made a good case for what can happen rather than what is happening currently.

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You keeping making the argument that I am not listening or I am not working with anyone else. It goes both ways, It's most of you who are the ones ignoring anything I say, are providing stubborn responses unwilling to compromise or even try the changes when I am going beyond what I need to in posting what's being done, their reasons and responding to most points.

If you really want to see what me ignoring the community looks like I'll just stop posting on the forums or giving you responses. If you're just going to object with no reasonable compromise then that's the direction it'll go

Guys listen bitzsam does not listen to poeple that have a different opinion to him

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Originally Posted by hohi416

Guys listen bitzsam does not listen to poeple that have a different opinion to him

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Self centered i notice that he dont listen

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

Yea and people who have made unbiased suggestions have had their suggestions implemented IE- one person in this entire thread. Your answer is just 'revert changes' despite this being the 5th I've had to say this, if you want to compromise then post a statistical compromise.



You keeping making the argument that I am not listening or I am not working with anyone else. It goes both ways, It's most of you who are the ones ignoring anything I say, are providing stubborn responses unwilling to compromise or even try the changes when I am going beyond what I need to in posting what's being done, their reasons and responding to most points.

If you really want to see what me ignoring the community looks like I'll just stop posting on the forums or giving you responses. If you're just going to object with no reasonable compromise then that's the direction it'll go

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You single handedly made these changes. The stats should be reverted back to the original. Then a group needs to come to a decision if any necessary changes are needed. Your open for "compromise" now because it was an obvious mistake to begin with to alter major gun stats this drastically.


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To be honest, contrary to my prior belief, i actually like the changes a lot. There is wide variety of guns that have characteristics about them that you can use to your advantage. However, bar is not great whatsoever lol no matter how many times you want to mention the tap fire thing. Once i face a bar i know they're in a disadvantage and it's been way to easy for me so yeah, i know you've heard this a lot but bar really needs a change. The change is good and all but no matter how successful it is, you can't keep going against the community like that in situations like these as it will really backfire on you eventually. Although i don't mind that much, i also understand why someone with a small inventory whose only strong weapon is a bar can get upset. The bar has been the meta for very long as it was dominant in all areas so changes like these were probably very unexpected for them.

One person should not be assigned to make all of the changes period. Balance also has to relate to the era economy and take into consideration there's people who have spent thousands of dollars and the products no longer function as originally advertised. Not even close to original functionality. Functionality, price and use type are all factors. People fort, base, pk, event and spar the changes effect all these areas and more.


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