READ- Weapon Rebalancing

Whats the point of putting in effort to mastering the gun when our reward is gun Nerf? You want to appeal to lazy noobs by making things easier for them, so honestly have you really noticed any changes in the players PKING,Sparring & Basing?
What makes you think basing is more appealing to them now that BAR is cr*p, they're still using ak they're still have no skill & there are still tons of other guns & more experienced player who could still whoop their asz, when are you gonna nerf those guns too?

Sparring is way better now, especially it eliminated those fake 'pros' who just use spammy and over powered weapons to their advantage. Tho I used to like to pk but not anymore since u can't even 2v1 but I'm still thankful again to bitzSam for making Graal era better again. Hope to see this meta permitted forever and never gone.

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Originally Posted by Donald

Whats the point of putting in effort to mastering the gun when our reward is gun Nerf? You want to appeal to lazy noobs by making things easier for them, so honestly have you really noticed any changes in the players PKING,Sparring & Basing?
What makes you think basing is more appealing to them now that BAR is cr*p, they're still using ak they're still have no skill & there are still tons of other guns & more experienced player who could still whoop their asz, when are you gonna nerf those guns too?

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Obviously guns that cost more are gonna have better statistics than those that cost less. All Sam did was lower the ceiling a bit. You can still use the bar and be pretty darn good at it too.

You did say you mastered the gun, right? What's wrong with a small change?

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Originally Posted by Mikey Zanereth

Obviously guns that cost more are gonna have better statistics than those that cost less. All Sam did was lower the ceiling a bit. You can still use the bar and be pretty darn good at it too.

You did say you mastered the gun, right? What's wrong with a small change?

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That's logical and that would make since that guns that cost more should have better statistics. But that's not the case. M-4 for example compared to bar. M-4 is better now statistically. These weren't slight changes like the previous nerfs. M-4 has faster reload and more spread for 150k less. Please explain how the stats are better overall.


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Originally Posted by Mikey Zanereth

Obviously guns that cost more are gonna have better statistics than those that cost less. All Sam did was lower the ceiling a bit. You can still use the bar and be pretty darn good at it too.

You did say you mastered the gun, right? What's wrong with a small change?

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What small change he nerfed the clip by almost half, slowed the firerate to 0.4 & even increased the reload time. I don't understand why he even nerfed it. IS M8A1 really OP?? Why should I have to be punished just cause noobs couldn't beat me I worked hard for it why should I be punished? I only have 1 gun how am i supposed to use it in fort now?? I can win 1v1 but other circumstances?? You can't change the firerate & reload time without affecting its overall performance in other areas.
Are you even affected by the changes Mikey?
Any of your guns affected?
My impression is you're just asz kiss*ng to get rehired as admin even your in game status says 'working hard to get rehired''.
Do you even PK, base & spar cause to me you seem like an Astro Noob no offense.

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

Just because you lost to an m4 using the bar doesn't make the m4 better, just means the problem is you. Go compare the stats, statistically the only benefit the m4 has is a faster reload and 0.02 more spread which is subjective anyway. Basically the same freeze, same firerate but bar has 10 damage. Whilst 1 more damage doesn't seem like a lot, it most definitely is.

Look at the ghost ripper, the smg mode prior to the nerf was widely considered as an extremely effective and sought after gun. Look at the old stats compared to the 40k tec9 and you will see they are almost the same with the main difference being 1 less damage from the tec9. And yet people don't consider the tec9 equal, better or even use it

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BITZ READ THIS ITS IMPORTANT:

I have a ghost ripper and before the nerf it was by far one of the worst auction guns, it was only above usp-45 and a single raffica in my opinion. It's actually good now because you killed all the auction guns lol. And nobody said "if you use an m4 and beat a bar, m4 is better" that's called skill, and skill is free to acquire and maybe if those noobs afk at start actually got out of there for once they would get some and stop complaining.

Use my suggestions please, the player count has already dropped drastically, major gangs and thousands of players have something negative against you in there status (which is immature but still I can see why they're mad)
and you truly aren't listening to the community.

For the final time my suggestions are

1.) Give the weapons their stats back while playing in bases and streets

2.) Compensate for the major nerf (2-3 refunds max per player at 50%)

3.) Return everything to its prior state and slowly nerf the main issue guns. This is what I say has to be nerfed which caused problems.

BAR: Drop the damage to 9, decrease firerate a tiny bit and give it tiny spread.

ION CARBINE: Fix the hitbox, it's broken, decrease firerate a little

GM4: This gun never caused a problem

AUCTION GUNS: Decrease Mtar firerate a tiny bit, this was the only gun that had a problem

P2K: More freeze on single pistol and less ammo

PSG: This gun never caused a problem

G36: Decrease spread

METALSTORM: Decrease firerate, but in response less freeze, lower clip size

These changes are coming from an un-biased view, I have a majority of these weapons and they do need to be nerfed, but NOT to the extent that they were. Bitzsam please take these suggestions into consideration as the guns still receive a nerf but not a major one.

At least if he nerf give us some sort of reason & compensation. What you nerfed it just for nerfs sake? just because you can ?
I've not yet seen 1 SINGLE apology from Kim Jong BItz yet after he nerfed all of OUR GUNS, at least say something like I'm sorry I had to nerf your guns but heres something to make up for it. A lot of us have questioned the his thesis, that such changes will appeal to noobies but we've gotten 0 response. Hes just like I nerfed your guns deal with it, if you argue against otherwise you are either dumb, stupid, selfish or biased.

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I'm not mad because my gun got nerfed. I'm angry because of how disrespectful this dictator is. You're the one who nerfed our guns you should provide a proper reason & compensation. I'm honestly not even bothered to spar anymore cus the gun admin can nerf my gun whenever he decides its OP without providing proper reasoning.
I even asked you properly when you nerfed it how do we compromise & what are our options at the beginning of the thread. You only responded days later & whats worst in a very angry tone.
Also you never mentioned we could provide statistical feedback before that, you only said this is your chance to provide feedback. Feedback? What kind of feedback?

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Originally Posted by Xur

BITZ READ THIS ITS IMPORTANT:

I have a ghost ripper and before the nerf it was by far one of the worst auction guns, it was only above usp-45 and a single raffica in my opinion. It's actually good now because you killed all the auction guns lol. And nobody said "if you use an m4 and beat a bar, m4 is better" that's called skill, and skill is free to acquire and maybe if those noobs afk at start actually got out of there for once they would get some and stop complaining.

Use my suggestions please, the player count has already dropped drastically, major gangs and thousands of players have something negative against you in there status (which is immature but still I can see why they're mad)
and you truly aren't listening to the community.

For the final time my suggestions are

1.) Give the weapons their stats back while playing in bases and streets

2.) Compensate for the major nerf (2-3 refunds max per player at 50%)

3.) Return everything to its prior state and slowly nerf the main issue guns. This is what I say has to be nerfed which caused problems.

BAR: Drop the damage to 9, decrease firerate a tiny bit and give it tiny spread.

ION CARBINE: Fix the hitbox, it's broken, decrease firerate a little

GM4: This gun never caused a problem

AUCTION GUNS: Decrease Mtar firerate a tiny bit, this was the only gun that had a problem

P2K: More freeze on single pistol and less ammo

PSG: This gun never caused a problem

G36: Decrease spread

METALSTORM: Decrease firerate, but in response less freeze, lower clip size

These changes are coming from an un-biased view, I have a majority of these weapons and they do need to be nerfed, but NOT to the extent that they were. Bitzsam please take these suggestions into consideration as the guns still receive a nerf but not a major one.

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and vector please, keep it as it is right now.

Xurrr refund will never happen on Graal because only the owner Unixmad can make a decision on that. Even if Kim Jong BItz approved of it, Unixmad will never approve of it. Unixmad is the ONLY one who makes money from Graal. All UNixmad cares is money & he doesn't even play the game.

Man, i agree with the balancing of the guns. Me personally i use M4 and Vector, in spar and basing. Adding Reload that is a good idea in my opinion too add a little reload to those certain guns. When people say adding reload will get you rushed; well if you where in a real gun battle and you are about to reload you would get rushed too!! ;) Now i can grab more wins with that M4.