Why Era is Dying.

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Originally Posted by Darkshade214

Well, I'm not obligated. I had no intentions to argue with you. Am I not free to express my thoughts? Lol?

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That's kinda weak :/

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Originally Posted by SpazzSLudio

I agree with Casey. I think the base fortress will solve many problems and bring competition back into the game. I just hope it's still being developed.

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Do not even try to hope, it will never happen.

We should hammer down on the monopolist Graal era, with the hammer of Communism

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Originally Posted by Darkshade214

Well, I'm not obligated. I had no intentions to argue with you. Am I not free to express my thoughts? Lol?

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well if you're not obligated to explain your stand, then you have got no substance. You are not free to express your toxic opinions, because they do not belong here. If fact, if you're just out to personally attack others, this forum has no place for you.

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Originally Posted by LYK08

well if you're not obligated to explain your stand, then you have got no substance. You are not free to express your toxic opinions, because they do not belong here. If fact, if you're just out to personally attack others, this forum has no place for you.

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Thanks, already appreciating the feedback.

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Originally Posted by LYK08

well if you're not obligated to explain your stand, then you have got no substance. You are not free to express your toxic opinions, because they do not belong here. If fact, if you're just out to personally attack others, this forum has no place for you.

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YASSSS quen

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Originally Posted by LYK08

Also, I feel that many mafia gangs are gathering at many locations in game and their gathering has often resulted in unneeded gang fights and conflicts and excessive and abusive verbal exchange, we should tax these players.

It shall be called the Overstaying Tax. If members of the same gang gather in the same area (except in bases) for more than 45 minutes, they will be taxed at 10 graalats per minute , so overstaying for 24 hours will incur them 14400 graalats.

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I honestly hope you are trolling

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Originally Posted by iHit

I honestly hope you are trolling

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Our discussion has moved on.

I'd like to revise The LYK Foundation Weekly Payout Scheme

1. Gangs with 1k hours or more and see in the leaderboards for the week will be paid based per hour based on the number of hours that they DID NOT get.

It is calculated by taking (168hours - the total base hours gained by the gang for their week)x10 gralats

This will be paid to each member in the gang at the time of payout. The more they base, the less they get.

The gangs have to be in the leaderboards to receive the payout, which will increase competition in the sector, while also preventing gangs that slack from freeloading. It helps to evenly distribute the amount of time every week because time is a scare quantity here.

2. Gangs with less than 1k hours will receive their payout per member calculated SD follows:

(number of hours gained for the week) x20 gralats

The higher payout rate is justified so is to encourage Newer gangs into the sector.

Note that the pay rate for gangs with more than 1k hours is not to discourage them from basing, but from monopolising. This helps to ensure equity in distribution of base hours.

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Originally Posted by LYK08

Our discussion has moved on.

I'd like to revise The LYK Foundation Weekly Payout Scheme

1. Gangs with 1k hours or more and see in the leaderboards for the week will be paid based per hour based on the number of hours that they DID NOT get.

It is calculated by taking (168hours - the total base hours gained by the gang for their week)x10 gralats

This will be paid to each member in the gang at the time of payout. The more they base, the less they get.

The gangs have to be in the leaderboards to receive the payout, which will increase competition in the sector, while also preventing gangs that slack from freeloading. It helps to evenly distribute the amount of time every week because time is a scare quantity here.

2. Gangs with less than 1k hours will receive their payout per member calculated SD follows:

(number of hours gained for the week) x20 gralats

The higher payout rate is justified so is to encourage Newer gangs into the sector.

Note that the pay rate for gangs with more than 1k hours is not to discourage them from basing, but from monopolising. This helps to ensure equity in distribution of base hours.

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*Grabs Lykaway*

He is a fresh graduate, cant find a job irl so he come to graal to spread his economic ideology, hope that pr team hire him. I suggest you become a mod at growtopia instead. Growtopia is a trading game and all about value of items. Unfortunately graal isnt your type of game

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People alrdy explained why taxing system is not going to occur. You are still hardcore with your idea which majority doesnt agree with smh.

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Originally Posted by JD M

He is a fresh graduate, cant find a job irl so he come to graal to spread his economic ideology, hope that pr team hire him. I suggest you become a mod at growtopia instead. Growtopia is a trading game and all about value of items. Unfortunately graal isnt your type of game

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People alrdy explained why taxing system is not going to occur. You are still hardcore with your idea which majority doesnt agree with smh.

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uh fyi this isn't taxing

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Originally Posted by LYK08

uh fyi this isn't taxing

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lyk,

no one wants to be taxed. no one wants to pay an administration fee. no one wants to pay anymore money than they already have on a childrens game. i think you forget that it is a game aimed at teenager's who dont share the same beliefs with you in regards to the perfect economy. players simply will not play this game if they have to fork out a ton of cash to base. there will NEVER be any sort of 'tax' or 'administrative fee'. You need to understand that.
Your ideas are appreciated, however you need to start thinking of ways to encourage new players to base, without destroying the already established basing system.

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Originally Posted by Casey

lyk,

no one wants to be taxed. no one wants to pay an administration fee. no one wants to pay anymore money than they already have on a childrens game. i think you forget that it is a game aimed at teenager's who dont share the same beliefs with you in regards to the perfect economy. players simply will not play this game if they have to fork out a ton of cash to base. there will NEVER be any sort of 'tax' or 'administrative fee'. You need to understand that.
Your ideas are appreciated, however you need to start thinking of ways to encourage new players to base, without destroying the already established basing system.

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sorry but I think discussion has moved on and you have completely disregarded what I've recently posted.

I shall quote my recent post. You tell me where the tax is in this idea.

"Our discussion has moved on.

I'd like to revise The LYK Foundation Weekly Payout Scheme

1. Gangs with 1k hours or more and see in the leaderboards for the week will be paid based per hour based on the number of hours that they DID NOT get.

It is calculated by taking (168hours - the total base hours gained by the gang for their week)x10 gralats

This will be paid to each member in the gang at the time of payout. The more they base, the less they get.

The gangs have to be in the leaderboards to receive the payout, which will increase competition in the sector, while also preventing gangs that slack from freeloading. It helps to evenly distribute the amount of time every week because time is a scare quantity here.

2. Gangs with less than 1k hours will receive their payout per member calculated SD follows:

(number of hours gained for the week) x20 gralats

The higher payout rate is justified so is to encourage Newer gangs into the sector.

Note that the pay rate for gangs with more than 1k hours is not to discourage them from basing, but from monopolising. This helps to ensure equity in distribution of base hours.

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You guys are not following the thread, so your inputs are referring to outdated posts or are just irrelevant. Unless you are telling me that "being paid" is considered taxing, then I'm afraid that we don't have the same interpretation of taxation.

no one has time to read every single wall of text u post lyk

Dude , Lyk my man , my advice to u right now is to stop this madness right now before u get more enemies and be known by the community as "that self proclaimed economist tryhard who thinks taxing is a good idea and will totally save the game"

dude , I seriously hope ur trolling because if ur serious I'm scared for the future of this species man

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Originally Posted by LYK08

sorry but I think discussion has moved on and you have completely disregarded what I've recently posted.

I shall quote my recent post. You tell me where the tax is in this idea.

"Our discussion has moved on.

I'd like to revise The LYK Foundation Weekly Payout Scheme

1. Gangs with 1k hours or more and see in the leaderboards for the week will be paid based per hour based on the number of hours that they DID NOT get.

It is calculated by taking (168hours - the total base hours gained by the gang for their week)x10 gralats

This will be paid to each member in the gang at the time of payout. The more they base, the less they get.

The gangs have to be in the leaderboards to receive the payout, which will increase competition in the sector, while also preventing gangs that slack from freeloading. It helps to evenly distribute the amount of time every week because time is a scare quantity here.

2. Gangs with less than 1k hours will receive their payout per member calculated SD follows:

(number of hours gained for the week) x20 gralats

The higher payout rate is justified so is to encourage Newer gangs into the sector.

Note that the pay rate for gangs with more than 1k hours is not to discourage them from basing, but from monopolising. This helps to ensure equity in distribution of base hours.

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You guys are not following the thread, so your inputs are referring to outdated posts or are just irrelevant. Unless you are telling me that "being paid" is considered taxing, then I'm afraid that we don't have the same interpretation of taxation.

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Just take away anything that involves Gralats for now.

It's obvious no one wants any fixes that change the bare basing structure, so work around it.

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Originally Posted by BL1NK

Just take away anything that involves Gralats for now.

It's obvious no one wants any fixes that change the bare basing structure, so work around it.

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I have people who refuse to read what I have posted except for older posts a few pages back and telling me that they don't have time to read and then they give irrelevant inputs that have either already been addressed or changed.

Then they claim to be nuclear engineers but tbvh, whether or not you are a nuclear engineer, nuclear reactor it a nuclear family member it has nothing to do with this so please keep all your inputs relevant and up to date. I do not want to have to address older posts that have already passed a long time ago.

They clearly haven't read my recent posts, and they are giving feedback based on the previously proposed ideas. It's not helping.

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Originally Posted by LYK08

I have people who refuse to read what I have posted except for older posts a few pages back and telling me that they don't have time to read and then they give irrelevant inputs that have either already been addressed or changed.

Then they claim to be nuclear engineers but tbvh, whether or not you are a nuclear engineer, nuclear reactor it a nuclear family member it has nothing to do with this so please keep all your inputs relevant and up to date. I do not want to have to address older posts that have already passed a long time ago.

They clearly haven't read my recent posts, and they are giving feedback based on the previously proposed ideas. It's not helping.

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They're annoyed by the fact that you keep bringing up similar solutions that involve economic stances.

If they don't want it to change, then figure out a way to work around it.

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Hey you think nuclear is not relevant to your baseconomic which you made after basing one year. Tell me which gang you were in.

The thing is, the idea has moved on from tax, can't you guys read. People are commenting on taxation which was suggested done 3-4 pages ago. Seriously?

And stop with all the personal attacks if you're too weak to bring up a good counterargument. Moderators please do something about it. Thanks

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Originally Posted by LYK08

The thing is, the idea has moved on from tax, can't you guys read. People are commenting on taxation which was suggested done 3-4 pages ago. Seriously?

And stop with all the personal attacks if you're too weak to bring up a good counterargument. Moderators please do something about it. Thanks

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You make it seem like you're not pushing it either.


It's obvious you don't care what anyone thinks in regards to your economic stances, and when you proceed to find other ways to solve it economically, you wonder why no one's liking it.



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Originally Posted by BL1NK

You make it seem like you're not pushing it either.


It's obvious you don't care what anyone thinks in regards to your economic stances, and when you proceed to find other ways to solve it economically, you wonder why no one's liking it.



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I honestly appreciate their responses but no one has thus far given any helpful comments on the recent idea. There were some arguments which I countered and the rest were just personal attacks directed against me or irrelevant comments on tax.

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Originally Posted by LYK08

The thing is, the idea has moved on from tax, can't you guys read. People are commenting on taxation which was suggested done 3-4 pages ago. Seriously?

And stop with all the personal attacks if you're too weak to bring up a good counterargument. Moderators please do something about it. Thanks

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How exactly has the debate moved from taxation if you wrote in bold caps "TAX THE BASERS" in your signature? True, you may no longer be talking about tax, but your signature very much keeps it alive and makes all of the ideas you post as add-ons to your taxation system.
Just remove it from your signature and we can act like this never happened.

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Originally Posted by LYK08

I honestly appreciate their responses but no one has thus far given any helpful comments on the recent idea. There were some arguments which I countered and the rest were just personal attacks directed against me or irrelevant comments on tax.

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Because, once again, no one wants to solve this economically!

You keep trying to push something no one likes and that's not entirely fair. If anything, it should be agreeable by the majority at best.

Graal doesn't want to compensate more than they already have to when it comes to bases, that's why it's already timed to pay out at a certain interval.

Taxing isn't going to happen and it's already been said by Junz.

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why dont we go full communism on this game and just take everyones stuff away. tax everyone super heavy and everyone is reset and can only get an equal amount of items as everyone else.

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Originally Posted by Mrpibbgraal

Making anything in Era harder than it already is, is nonsense. People barely even want to play now. Our player count is dropping. If people aren’t encouraged to play much this wont help either. They’ll get the hours they need and then log off.

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The reason for the player count to drop is from mostly basing. When all the bigger gangs sit around their bases and not let the newer gangs base, obviously people won’t like basing and will quit.

It's frankly amusing that people still cries about the ones who sits around in bases all day, apparently, they have the privilege to do that sort of thing because they've had already proven themselves by warring for those bases. Almost all of the aspects in Era when it comes to competition such as basing, sparring, pking, etc... are regarded as Survival of the Fittest. Try participating in the war between The Alliance and Team No L. Join either or even both sides, so you'd be able to perceive what these gangs has in common, what they're really fighting for, and how much struggle and effort they're putting for a game that is on the verge of death.

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As for people who doesn't even know what basing is, or the concept of basing itself. I suggest you gather more "relevant" intel about it, before making a judgment call or stating an irrational answer that could amplify the issue. To put it simply, try to keep your mouth shut if you don't even know what you're standing/fighting for. Just like in a debate, you won't be able to win for your stand if the majority doesn't agree with you, it's either because you don't even know what you're saying or you're declaring as well as stating something irrational and unorthodox about the topic.

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Originally Posted by Sho Minazuki

It's frankly amusing that people still cries about the ones who sits around in bases all day, apparently, they have the privilege to do that sort of thing because they've had already proven themselves by warring for those bases. Almost all of the aspects in Era when it comes to competition such as basing, sparring, pking, etc... are regarded as Survival of the Fittest. Try participating in the war between The Alliance and Team No L. Join either or even both sides, so you'd be able to perceive what these gangs has in common, what they're really fighting for, and how much struggle and effort they're putting for a game that is on the verge of death.

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As for people who doesn't even know what basing is, or the concept of basing itself. I suggest you gather more "relevant" intel about it, before making a judgment call or stating an irrational answer that could amplify the issue. To put it simply, try to keep your mouth shut if you don't even know what you're standing/fighting for. Just like in a debate, you won't be able to win for your stand if the majority doesn't agree with you, it's either because you don't even know what you're saying or you're declaring as well as stating something irrational and unorthodox about the topic.

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Yea sure, survival of the fittest...that's why they are losing players. The fittest are overpowered and have a dominant hold over bases and wins, making the activity boring and meaningless. Yes, on the grounds of meritocracy they deserve those, but fairness is as such compromised. We have overpowered basers against newer ones, how are the newer ones likely to win if the more experienced ones do not give leeway? That's why the system should be modified to give newer gangs more leeway - that is key to keeping the players.

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Originally Posted by LYK08

Yea sure, survival of the fittest...that's why they are losing players. The fittest are overpowered and have a dominant hold over bases and wins, making the activity boring and meaningless. Yes, on the grounds of meritocracy they deserve those, but fairness is as such compromised. We have overpowered basers against newer ones, how are the newer ones likely to win if the more experienced ones do not give leeway? That's why the system should be modified to give newer gangs more leeway - that is key to keeping the players.

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So you are saying we should punish the best for being the best??

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Originally Posted by iHit

So you are saying we should punish the best for being the best??

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Everyone does not agree on what that 'baseconomist' said. We need to reduce the influence of old basing gangs towards new gangs but not punishong the old gangs.

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Originally Posted by Sho Minazuki

It's frankly amusing that people still cries about the ones who sits around in bases all day, apparently, they have the privilege to do that sort of thing because they've had already proven themselves by warring for those bases. Almost all of the aspects in Era when it comes to competition such as basing, sparring, pking, etc... are regarded as Survival of the Fittest. Try participating in the war between The Alliance and Team No L. Join either or even both sides, so you'd be able to perceive what these gangs has in common, what they're really fighting for, and how much struggle and effort they're putting for a game that is on the verge of death.

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As for people who doesn't even know what basing is, or the concept of basing itself. I suggest you gather more "relevant" intel about it, before making a judgment call or stating an irrational answer that could amplify the issue. To put it simply, try to keep your mouth shut if you don't even know what you're standing/fighting for. Just like in a debate, you won't be able to win for your stand if the majority doesn't agree with you, it's either because you don't even know what you're saying or you're declaring as well as stating something irrational and unorthodox about the topic.

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This is so wrong. The old gangs faught for their today's success but their success shouldnt be stopping the newbies from getting base. Stand on the view of newbies bro. Imagine you are a newbie and you have nothing to do in game. Look at play store, 1 million of people downloaded it. But look how many players online. Newbies tend to download and play for a while as it seems slightly attractive than other roleplay games but they undownload it after they find the game meaningless because cant even pk. You are saying 'we deserve what we earned' because you started earlier than them. So newbie cannot have fun in game?

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Originally Posted by iHit

So you are saying we should punish the best for being the best??

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they are not being punished.

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Originally Posted by Sho Minazuki

It's frankly amusing that people still cries about the ones who sits around in bases all day, apparently, they have the privilege to do that sort of thing because they've had already proven themselves by warring for those bases. Almost all of the aspects in Era when it comes to competition such as basing, sparring, pking, etc... are regarded as Survival of the Fittest. Try participating in the war between The Alliance and Team No L. Join either or even both sides, so you'd be able to perceive what these gangs has in common, what they're really fighting for, and how much struggle and effort they're putting for a game that is on the verge of death.

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As for people who doesn't even know what basing is, or the concept of basing itself. I suggest you gather more "relevant" intel about it, before making a judgment call or stating an irrational answer that could amplify the issue. To put it simply, try to keep your mouth shut if you don't even know what you're standing/fighting for. Just like in a debate, you won't be able to win for your stand if the majority doesn't agree with you, it's either because you don't even know what you're saying or you're declaring as well as stating something irrational and unorthodox about the topic.

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Honestly, the war is pretty darn fun. I'm going to miss it when it's over.

Seeing gangs cross each other for no true reason is refreshing honestly, we haven't seen that in lifetimes.

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Originally Posted by LYK08

they are not being punished.

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Then what? Being rewarded?

Well if a country taxes it's citizens so u call that punishment?

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It's a social responsibility

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You plowed this thread and I've given up on trying to explain this to you.

Give it up and move on, you're so persistent on giving into your economic ideologies in a game.

I'm open to hearing every opinion and I've tried my best to, but seeing the same thing being brought up is disappointing and ulterior to what we're trying to get done.

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GangWars :(

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Originally Posted by BL1NK

You plowed this thread and I've given up on trying to explain this to you.

Give it up and move on, you're so persistent on giving into your economic ideologies in a game.

I'm open to hearing every opinion and I've tried my best to, but seeing the same thing being brought up is disappointing and ulterior to what we're trying to get done.

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don't get what's your issue, but we aren't talking about taxation here.

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Originally Posted by John

GangWars :(

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What's that?

Also, welcome back :)

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Originally Posted by LYK08

don't get what's your issue, but we aren't talking about taxation here.

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'Economic ideologies' isn't just about your taxing, it's also about your general idea behind the Gralat.

Your way of managing things is either by taking something away or adding something in (taxing and reimbursement).

You can't help but stray away from the general consensus of the Gralat being a way to discourage or encourage, which is true, but there's other ways around it.

And either way, the subject was straying away, you merely revived it.

You're giving people the things they don't want to hear. Why else do you think gun nerfs killed the playerbase even more?

My issue isn't with your suggestions, it's with the lack of creativity surrounding them.

This is a game. At the end of the day, the solutions need to be simple and viable. You're complicating it.

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Originally Posted by John

GangWars :(

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ಠ_ಠ

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Originally Posted by BL1NK

'Economic ideologies' isn't just about your taxing, it's also about your general idea behind the Gralat.

Your way of managing things is either by taking something away or adding something in (taxing and reimbursement).

You can't help but stray away from the general consensus of the Gralat being a way to discourage or encourage, which is true, but there's other ways around it.

And either way, the subject was straying away, you merely revived it.

You're giving people the things they don't want to hear. Why else do you think gun nerfs killed the playerbase even more?

My issue isn't with your suggestions, it's with the lack of creativity surrounding them.

This is a game. At the end of the day, the solutions need to be simple and viable. You're complicating it.

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Everything in the game revolves around economics. If you don't want to solve this economically, then what? Philosophically? Involving gods? Oh, let us pray that that things are going to get better just by seeking divine intervention. That's totally going to solve the problem.

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Originally Posted by LYK08

Involving gods? Oh, let us pray that that things are going to get better just by seeking divine intervention. That's totally going to solve the problem.

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Sorry, but i love this.