READ- Weapon Rebalancing

Yes i have to say the bar was good already what's the change for? And one Person who runs the Guns Team? What kind of nonsense is that. I never heard such an thing look if the bar gonna change al least let these players get there money back or Change the Gun back to it normal function, In the military we have an Manager for every position within the army going down to Gun Engineers,vehicle Managers, You can't tell me that one person makes the rules in for all things that go on in the Base. If there was uhh that would be hard even us Military workers are to take votes or if we don't think it's right there is usually an time when all Managers or Co-Managers come to have an meeting. There is an way to fix all things, as for Blitzman how would he be the only one to be an Guns Admin? As for the one person cannot once again make an choice for everyone dictator ship is not needed here. Upon are are System down here we Have Congress,Government(s),House of Laws,White House. I see that Blitzman him self is from another country it might be different down here but don't bring that to era please ask the people talk to staff or make surveys we have votes,polls for an reason are president can't just make an law and say that that's that no he has to go though every branch in the System. So please no harm to you think of the things that may or can happen. Your decision dose not just affect you it affect everyone to who players this. (Fort Bragg) -Commander And Chife-

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Originally Posted by Kiwii

Yes i have to say the bar was good already what's the change for? And one Person who runs the Guns Team? What kind of nonsense is that. I never heard such an thing look if the bar gonna change al least let these players get there money back or Change the Gun back to it normal function, In the military we have an Manager for every position within the army going down to Gun Engineers,vehicle Managers, You can't tell me that one person makes the rules in for all things that go on in the Base. If there was uhh that would be hard even us Military workers are to take votes or if we don't think it's right there is usually an time when all Managers or Co-Managers come to have an meeting. There is an way to fix all things, as for Blitzman how would he be the only one to be an Guns Admin? As for the one person cannot once again make an choice for everyone dictator ship is not needed here. Upon are are System down here we Have Congress,Government(s),House of Laws,White House. I see that Blitzman him self is from another country it might be different down here but don't bring that to era please ask the people talk to staff or make surveys we have votes,polls for an reason are president can't just make an law and say that that's that no he has to go though every branch in the System. So please no harm to you think of the things that may or can happen. Your decision dose not just affect you it affect everyone to who players this. (Fort Bragg) -Commander And Chife-

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A few of us have made threads suggesting there be multiple gun admins but they keep getting closed. The general consensus is what was done was out of line so hopefully someone steps up and fixes things.


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Hello Bitzsam, despite all of the negativity youve recieved for this idea, I for one am for it. I do have some suggestions however, if you would be so kind as to giving me your thoughts on them and why they would or wouldnt work I would appreciate it.*

My first suggestion would be on the stat changes of the shipka. While I do agree it has a clip that is very high and has very low reload time, I would like to see maybe the reload time in the adjustment stay the same while the clip is increased from 14 to 16. I say this because I personally believe that 16 feels more reasonable and still gives the opportunity to be punishable for the spam. If this is not possible then maybe make the shipka a more interesting threat by allowing damage to be taken whether you are hit by one bullet or both. The damage dealt would of course not stack, but it gives it the gun a more unconventional strength to make up for its lack of clip size. In turn I think this would also make players who use the gun are more likely to try and get hits with the gun rather than needlessly spam it in one spot.

The P2K adjustment seems fine, if you are going to lower the clip-size and raise the firerate and reload time, would it make sense to then ask for a further lowering of the clipsize in return for a slightly faster firerate? Personally I enjoyed the P2ks in their original state but agree it was much too overpowered. However if the gun is going to be overhauled I think a higher fire rate and an even more slightly lower clip would allow the P2k to regain its prowess in the basing and sparring scene. The freeze would of course be fine as you have suggested.*

So far this is what I've come up with, sorry if my typing/writing seems hard to understand, I just woke up so it may not sound as clear and coherent as I think it is.

^ my suggestion to Bitzsam. His reply is down below.


i'll split you 15 clip for the shipka, and 10 | 20 for the p2k in exchange for firerate increase from 0.265 to 0.25

As you can see, if you actually suggest something that is doable and balanced he will consider it. If you look at the gun changes these are now the changes that both guns have.

Well then, this is going nowhere... Someone write the Player Bill of Rights and make BiTzSam sign it or something...

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Originally Posted by Psycho Adelphos

Money does not equate to skill. Just because you spent your money, hard earned or not does not make YOU any more entitled than anyone else. You are all so concerned about yourselves that these complaints are really maskings of your own disatisifcation. If this did not effect you, you wouldnt be so up in arms. Nowhere in this game did it say that buying an expensive weapon automatically means you can crap on anyone else or you deserve a leg up above someone else.

Maybe instead of crying you should actually think of ways to improve your situation and make REASONABLE, LOGICAL, and VALID suggestions, rather than complain about something he wont go back on. You can only control so much in your life, yet rather than try to improve the situation you act like spoiled children who got no sweets after dinner. Please remember that you arent the only one that is being effected by this and therefore this isnt all about YOU.

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If you bothered to try and make actual suggestions you wouldn't be feeling this way. This is the problem, its only YOUR way or nothing. Maybe you can take this time to reflect upon yourself and learn to communicate properly, as well as learn the skills of negotiation.

If you dont want to do these things then you wont be missed, a crybaby is nothing more than a child.

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No one is concerning about themselves, majority of people on here dont want this nerf because they feel its wrong, so do i. Most people have said to Sam that this nerf to most of the guns like Ion, P2k, bar etc arent worth it. Bars firerate for myself feels too slow and i dont like it.

Plus your only saying this cause your someone who doesnt have bar(or any of these nerfed guns) or just supports Sam

Myself feels that bar firerate should be fast as the reload is a disadvantge. Even if its a little fast idm but the firerate atm for that gun itself is not good.

You shouldnt call people here cry babys lmao, they have an opinon that they "Dont want this Nerf"

*No one said buying an expensive guns means you can crap on anyone.


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We can all agree that the BAR did need to be nerfed.
If anyone disagrees then they're simply gaining off the benefits of the stats of the gun that masks their incapability to Pk (I may be wrong).

Remember when gun game was hosted, well for some reason I could not progress any further than B.A.R but let me tell you, it was the easiest 43 kills I have ever picked up.
Bearing in mind I can barely spar and I don't Pk.

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Originally Posted by Kos2o179

No one is concerning about themselves, majority of people on here dont want this nerf because they feel its wrong, so do i. Most people have said to Sam that this nerf to most of the guns like Ion, P2k, bar etc arent worth it. Bars firerate for myself feels too slow and i dont like it.

Plus your only saying this cause your someone who doesnt have bar(or any of these nerfed guns) or just supports Sam

Myself feels that bar firerate should be fast as the reload is a disadvantge. Even if its a little fast idm but the firerate atm for that gun itself is not good.

You shouldnt call people here cry babys lmao, they have an opinon that they "Dont want this Nerf"

*No one said buying an expensive guns means you can crap on anyone.


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I do actually own most of these guns, Bar, P2k, Shipka, and PSG included. The changing of these guns all evened each other out, statistically speaking the Bar is still a much stronger gun to the GM4, however it just feels like its less because of the changes. With these changes, the guns themselves are relatively the same as they were in terms of tier class however the lack of firerate gives you more of an incentive to not just sit and spam, you actually need to engage thoughtfully now in order to not be punished.

League of Legends is a game that constantly makes use of buffs and nerfs, and just like this game has an option to buy champions, similarly to how we can spend real money to buy guns. The reasons these buffs and nerfs happen is because of the evolution of which the game goes through. Era's current phase is that of more strategic gameplay and these gun changes represent that. Now if you aren't fully happy with these changes thats fine, what you can do to change that is coming up with some compromises in the statistical sense (Eg: Give Bar less freeze for a longer reload time) and Bitzsam would be happy to look at it.

@Psycho Adelphos

You are really pretentious, you're still calling people whiners and assuming their wrong just because they disagree. You make absolutely no attempt to see things from our points of view. At least Meph, although I didn't agree with him, looked at things from both sides and I can easily tell that he did. You don't give a crap about our opinions and what we have to say, all you want to hear is something in any form of way that supports not resetting the stats no matter how illogical. You don't care about our views, heck, you don't even care about your own views enough to actually pad them put properly, you make the same argument over and over and after massive holes were punched through them you still go on with it. You've had no leg to stand on and is still just spouting ridiculous things out in an effort to sound like you know what you're even talking about. Quit all this attention seeking and leave the debating to people who actually give a care about what they're saying and to those who care about what the other side is saying.

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Originally Posted by GenoIndeed

@Psycho Adelphos

You are really pretentious, you're still calling people whiners and assuming their wrong just because they disagree. You make absolutely no attempt to see things from our points of view. At least Meph, although I didn't agree with him, looked at things from both sides and I can easily tell that he did. You don't give a crap about our opinions and what we have to say, all you want to hear is something in any form of way that supports not resetting the stats no matter how illogical. You don't care about our views, heck, you don't even care about your own views enough to actually pad them put properly, you make the same argument over and over and after massive holes were punched through them you still go on with it. You've had no leg to stand on and is still just spouting ridiculous things out in an effort to sound like you know what you're even talking about. Quit all this attention seeking and leave the debating to people who actually give a care about what they're saying and to those who care about what the other side is saying.

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The irony. Please refer to where you have looked at the change from both sides yourself?

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

Rather than complain I suggest you post suggestions/ what you want to see changed as this is your opportunity to provide feedback. Changes will most likely occur unless something comes up so don't waste your opportunity to have a say on comments regarding refunds/ don't nerf things along those lines as they probably won't be acknowledged.


Here are the changes so far that I would like to see added- you can say if you think a change is too little/ too much providing you give an alternative that isn't just "keep it how it is" and your reason for that alternative.

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Taken from the first page. Currently psycho and pine honey are the ONLY people in the 54 pages to actually make a legitimate suggestion

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

The irony. Please refer to where you have looked at the change from both sides yourself?

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Taken from the first page. Currently psycho and pine honey are the ONLY people in the 54 pages to actually make a legitimate suggestion

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I gave you suggestions go look