Why Era is Dying.

If you actually realise the main reason of basing system is getting faded because it is 'politic', not economy. Nothing to do with economy. And please relate economy to basing system, instead of trying to push your economy idea to use it on basing system. You never explain how economy is related to basing system yet but you still telling others this is the only way.

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Everyone has same economy status. Everyone needs to work hard to buy gun. All old players spent times doing pizza etc. So why cant the new players do so? The old players itune for guns, why cant new players do so?

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So whats the point of funding?

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Taxation does reduce players basing. But have you thought about the impacts? For example, holding one hour is 100 gralats. We have 24 hours daily. 24×100 gralats is 2400 gralats. No basers can afford this cost. Please think twice. You are calling yourself as baseconomist when you dont even think about the negative impact on old players. 2400 is a huge amount to baser who base daily. Noone is willing to spend 2 hours working and then 2 hours of basing and all the gralats gone. Plus, your tax suggested by you is a huge amount.

Graal is dying because of the lack of updates and attention it receives by Unixmad. As simple as that.

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Well if a country taxes it's citizens so u call that punishment?

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It's a social responsibility

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Lyk.... I can rant about that and semi-roast you.... Would anyone like to see it?

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If you actually realise the main reason of basing system is getting faded because it is 'politic', not economy. Nothing to do with economy. And please relate economy to basing system, instead of trying to push your economy idea to use it on basing system. You never explain how economy is related to basing system yet but you still telling others this is the only way.

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Everyone has same economy status. Everyone needs to work hard to buy gun. All old players spent times doing pizza etc. So why cant the new players do so? The old players itune for guns, why cant new players do so?

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So whats the point of funding?

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Taxation does reduce players basing. But have you thought about the impacts? For example, holding one hour is 100 gralats. We have 24 hours daily. 24×100 gralats is 2400 gralats. No basers can afford this cost. Please think twice. You are calling yourself as baseconomist when you dont even think about the negative impact on old players. 2400 is a huge amount to baser who base daily. Noone is willing to spend 2 hours working and then 2 hours of basing and all the gralats gone. Plus, your tax suggested by you is a huge amount.

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I'm not going to continue talking to you about taxation.

Yes the old players an do that but that was when the times were better for them to do so, but times have changed and the system has to adapt to it.

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I'm not going to continue talking to you about taxation.

Yes the old players an do that but that was when the times were better for them to do so, but times have changed and the system has to adapt to it.

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You did not answer my question. How is economy related to basing?

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You did not answer my question. How is economy related to basing?

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As I said the gralats that's being paid to them via the lyk foundation fund is what influences their basing behaviour.

Note that they will still be paid if they are on leaderboards, just that those with high base hours will be paid less than those with less are paid more on the leaderboards. They aren't being punished, but rewarded - it's just that the amount of reward varies.

The money is paid PER MEMBER, which means that each member gets the money. It's like the money you get from forts. This is where the fund is going.


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If you know that a new gang cant even get a base for 1 hour daily? Are you talking rubbish? You pay money and get money back.

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Your foundation is not changing the basing system. It is extra. Allying between gangs is the main reason monopolization occurs. Your LYK foundation wont stop them from allying?

Yes, yes and yes.

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Your foundation is not changing the basing system. It is extra. Allying between gangs is the main reason monopolization occurs. Your LYK foundation wont stop them from allying?

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They can. My foundation pays newer gangs more for every hour they capture the base. Basers motivated by money will join newer gangs to base and there will likely be a subsequent fall in temporary basers when their older gang pays them less. Newer gangs are less likely to kick temperorary members as compared to old ones as the old ones have to make space for more temporary basers, which will mean that newer gangs get more manpower in what is known as a human resource capital flight.

If gangs ally to base, the hours go to another gang, so I'd like to see it as a separate gang rather than the whole alliance itself.

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I think you guys are taking it hard on Lyk. I have to agree that there is, to an extent, a monopolistic build/ approach to basing in which the same old gangs can hold the same bases day after day for hours with minimal contest (mostly).

I can see how Lyk idea that gangs with smaller hours getting more gralats payout can be a valid solution. However, I do have some criticism. There shouldn't be a focus on gralats (and the subsequent rewarding of such) but rather a focus to making the basing scene in graal to become more entertaining, with action and diverse. I say, not gralats, but some other form of reward/incentive/bonus (although I admit not sure exactly what), in which is given to smaller gangs to encourage them to base. Thus, perhaps an increase frequency on active basing gangs and a interesting basing scene with new faces. Maybe a satisfactory reward given to smaller gangs who manage to over take a much bigger gang's base or take over a base owned for a long time.

Of course, it won't prevent the allying between gangs (stemmed from monopolization), but this idea may help break this monopolistic build in Era but enabling a fierce competition from a diverse range of gangs (via the growth of smaller gangs)

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I argue there is an element of economic in the basing system (although perhaps not the best term to use). Economic not by it's conventional definition of involving the common currency (i.e. gralats). Rather the expenditure of resources (i.e. time) to reap the rewards (consumption) of mainly gang rewards e.g. gang hats, skins etc or even just the status of a high basing hours.

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How exactly has the debate moved from taxation if you wrote in bold caps "TAX THE BASERS" in your signature? True, you may no longer be talking about tax, but your signature very much keeps it alive and makes all of the ideas you post as add-ons to your taxation system.
Just remove it from your signature and we can act like this never happened.

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What an construed stretch. It's just weak, rather than criticizing the content of Lyk updated/ adapted proposed solution, you instead to chose to substitute his point with a ramble of his signature?

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Then why bother to respond if you can only ignore the crux of his argument?

I guess you dont get what I am trying to say. There is a lot of new gangs like strive, black flag and slu elite. But they are just branch gangs of Obsidian and nbk. Era needs new gangs with new players. Not new gangs with players from the other gang. Lyk, you should go base for another 5 months before you want to talk about monopolization. Old gangs get more members than new gangs. If you know that one single gang ranked member has like 3 pages of friendlist to rec.

Talking about rewards. Rewards is something era alrdy has until there is excessive. You can get hat from a lot of events like gst, crypt, designing a hat for an event in game other than basing. Rewards are ez to get for experienced players. But not for newbies. One single guy could have like 10 reward hats.

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I guess you dont get what I am trying to say. There is a lot of new gangs like strive, black flag and slu elite. But they are just branch gangs of Obsidian and nbk. Era needs new gangs with new players. Not new gangs with players from the other gang. Lyk, you should go base for another 5 months before you want to talk about monopolization. Old gangs get more members than new gangs. If you know that one single gang ranked member has like 3 pages of friendlist to rec.

Talking about rewards. Rewards is something era alrdy has until there is excessive. You can get hat from a lot of events like gst, crypt, designing a hat for an event in game other than basing. Rewards are ez to get for experienced players. But not for newbies. One single guy could have like 10 reward hats.

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The rewards we are talking about pertains to basing, not crypt or GST. Getting new players to join pertains to Era's advertising, but the proposed solution is to keep the new players who have joined.

On a side note, thank you for the feedback BlackandWhite , I do know that gralats should not be the main emphasis but I just could not think of an alternative to replace gralats. If the developer's could substitute gralats with something else, the concept can be adapt to fit those.



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The rewards from everything is the same. Either hideout melee hat skin. I am talking about quantity of rewards not category

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So rewards will actually not encourage new people to base. I would do something fun not for reward. But basing is something not fun at all. Reward and fun is different thing. Making more rewards will do nothing. Fix the basing system to be more fun instead. But you all keep on emphasizing on rewards and punishment.

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The rewards from everything is the same. Either hideout melee hat skin. I am talking about quantity of rewards not category

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So rewards will actually not encourage new people to base. I would do something fun not for reward. But basing is something not fun at all. Reward and fun is different thing. Making more rewards will do nothing. Fix the basing system to be more fun instead. But you all keep on emphasizing on rewards and punishment.

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i don't think you are making sense.
yes I suggested keeping new gangs, but it is hard to stop players of old gangs from creating new gangs. The only thing we could do is to increase the competitiveness of the sector so that there will be more gangs competing against each other, including against the gangs by old members.

The rewards will encourage to base. What you do is not representative of what everyone will do and yes, basing isn't fun so there has to be a reward scheme to sustain interests in it.

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I guess you dont get what I am trying to say. There is a lot of new gangs like strive, black flag and slu elite. But they are just branch gangs of Obsidian and nbk. Era needs new gangs with new players. Not new gangs with players from the other gang. Lyk, you should go base for another 5 months before you want to talk about monopolization.

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It’s inevitable, there’s no work around that

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Rewards are ez to get for experienced players. But not for newbies. One single guy could have like 10 reward hats.

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The idea I had in mind as well. The current effectiveness of gang rewards (gang hats skins etc,) needs to be questioned, in its ability in encouraging the growth of diverse (new) gangs (i.e. why a monopolistic basing system exists). I believe there needs to be an additional different set of rewards (or incentive, bonus, whatever) which is more pragmatic for non-veteran gangs and takes more friendly approach to noobs.

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But basing is something not fun at all. Reward and fun is different thing. Making more rewards will do nothing. Fix the basing system to be more fun instead. But you all keep on emphasizing on rewards and punishment.

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1) Doesn’t this support our argument? If basing isn’t fun as you suggest, then proposed rewards could encourage a competitive basing scene resulting in more fun
2) Fix the basing system and implementing additional solutions are not mutually exclusive
3) Where the fudge you get punishment from? Lmao everyone here is so paranoid with taxes that it causes them to bleed their reasoning into other arguments

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As a general comment, I'm deeply concerned about this thread. This is may seem excessive but it's mere stupidity. Isn't it hypocritical to say that LYK is ignoring public opinions, but then suddenly when he adapts his proposed solutions with consideration of what people are saying, everyone scarecrows his points with his old arguments which he has disowned. C'mon everyone is just whining tax tax tax when he has changed the subject from it.

Then there's bs spread around here about "o no you shouldn't say that what about your reputation?" or "imma criticise something trivial as a signature" or just petty ad hominem attacks. There's also literally people who can't be bothered reading so they make incomplete judgements and some people seems as if they can only misinterpret.

It's lazy and disappointing. Of course not everyone is doing it, but it rubs me the wrong wa

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Lyk.... I can rant about that and semi-roast you.... Would anyone like to see it?

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I would love to see a rant and a semi roast

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It’s inevitable, there’s no work around that


The idea I had in mind as well. The current effectiveness of gang rewards (gang hats skins etc,) needs to be questioned, in its ability in encouraging the growth of diverse (new) gangs (i.e. why a monopolistic basing system exists). I believe there needs to be an additional different set of rewards (or incentive, bonus, whatever) which is more pragmatic for non-veteran gangs and takes more friendly approach to noobs.





1) Doesn’t this support our argument? If basing isn’t fun as you suggest, then proposed rewards could encourage a competitive basing scene resulting in more fun
2) Fix the basing system and implementing additional solutions are not mutually exclusive
3) Where the fudge you get punishment from? Lmao everyone here is so paranoid with taxes that it causes them to bleed their reasoning into other arguments

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As a general comment, I'm deeply concerned about this thread. This is may seem excessive but it's mere stupidity. Isn't it hypocritical to say that LYK is ignoring public opinions, but then suddenly when he adapts his proposed solutions with consideration of what people are saying, everyone scarecrows his points with his old arguments which he has disowned. C'mon everyone is just whining tax tax tax when he has changed the subject from it.

Then there's bs spread around here about "o no you shouldn't say that what about your reputation?" or "imma criticise something trivial as a signature" or just petty ad hominem attacks. There's also literally people who can't be bothered reading so they make incomplete judgements and some people seems as if they can only misinterpret.

It's lazy and disappointing. Of course not everyone is doing it, but it rubs me the wrong wa

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Honestly was just going to ask for the thread to get closed.


Really went out of its way.

The only reason I haven't asked for it to get closed was because it's attracted a lot of attention and I'm not going to let the interests of either side divide the primary goal here; which is seeking a solution that's agreeable for everyone.



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Why close the thread, I think we are have a fun and interesting discussion? No one is hurt

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Why close the thread, I think we are have a fun and interesting discussion? No one is hurt

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Just too much of the same topic, I liked the fruition of topics being evolved from one another but it just seems to emphasize on what one person said.

I know it sounds highly opinionated, but if I was someone from the outside looking in, I could care less, just really wanted it to get straight-to-the-point with a reason why.

The same topic will make people stray away and that discourages what the main idea is here.


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O, would love then if you wanted to present some ideas for Era or maybe commentary on what I or lyk or whoever has been posting

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O, would love then if you wanted to present some ideas for Era or maybe commentary on what I or lyk or whoever has been posting

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Honestly haven't been paying attention.

It's just plain boring to talk about the same thing, I got tuned out.



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I would love to engage in discourse about other topics, but before doing so I have to address the first topic we started with. We can't possibly have a discussion with no conclusion, can we? We can move on to talk about sparring/trading/pking etc.

Hmm, i didnt know getting reward is a type of way having fun.

Yea oh course, lets make a conclusion. All you want is taxation gets approved. Yea, in the thread before, you are also talking about taxing a player who kill someone. Everything is taxing. Even trading you tax. Do you want to tax the sparrer as well for winning? May be we should tax someone for getting online.

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20 pages of thread about your taxation until majority lazy argue with you. I am done with you until you come out with something more creative. And please stop defining taxation in other terms. All I know is that I will have to pay gralats.

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Hmm, i didnt know getting reward is a type of way having fun.

Yea oh course, lets make a conclusion. All you want is taxation gets approved. Yea, in the thread before, you are also talking about taxing a player who kill someone. Everything is taxing. Even trading you tax. Do you want to tax the sparrer as well for winning? May be we should tax someone for getting online.

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20 pages of thread about your taxation until majority lazy argue with you. I am done with you until you come out with something more creative. And please stop defining taxation in other terms. All I know is that I will have to pay gralats.

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We have moved away from taxation countless of pages ago.

So you're trying to tell me payouts =taxation? Lol i think you should check the dictionary before you comment.

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people alrdy explained why taxing system is not going to occur. You are still hardcore with your idea which majority doesnt agree with smh.

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taxation does reduce players basing. But have you thought about the impacts? For example, holding one hour is 100 gralats. We have 24 hours daily. 24×100 gralats is 2400 gralats. No basers can afford this cost. Please think twice. You are calling yourself as baseconomist when you dont even think about the negative impact on old players. 2400 is a huge amount to baser who base daily. Noone is willing to spend 2 hours working and then 2 hours of basing and all the gralats gone. Plus, your tax suggested by you is a huge amount.

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but you all keep on emphasizing on rewards and punishment.

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yea oh course, lets make a conclusion. All you want is taxation gets approved. Yea, in the thread before, you are also talking about taxing a player who kill someone. Everything is taxing. Even trading you tax. Do you want to tax the sparrer as well for winning? May be we should tax someone for getting online.

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20 pages of thread about your taxation until majority lazy argue with you. I am done with you until you come out with something more creative. And please stop defining taxation in other terms. All i know is that i will have to pay gralats.

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JD M, maybe read the revised proposed solution, instead of making an incomplete judgement? And if you are still convinced it is related with tax maybe provide an proper argument in support of it instead of an "I'm done with you"

Stop trying to show off your english by trying to translate taxation into other terms. It is dumb. At the end, you still have to pay gralats. No players want to pay gralats to base. Read all the pages of this thread, I have only seen this guy name blackandwhite and 1 other kid support your idea. How am I making an incomplete judgement? Go search the definition of incomplete judgement in dictionary since you like to search definiton of words.

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I bet you gonna quit this game if you gonna pay something to do something in a game.

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Blackandwhite i recommend you to go through other threads. This guy with a profile picture of smart guy using a laptop is talking about taxation in every thread related about basing, pking, even doing car mission.

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Go ask majority of old players who quitted about their reasong quitting this game. They quit not because of reward. It is because this game not fun. Go ask all ifreeze, darkside maelstrom etc. I have been watching them since 2013 until they quit. Rewards might give alrdy encouragement but not going to work for long term.

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Taxation does not increase competitveness in basing. Or whatever you wanna translate it into. As long as paying gralats, no players would. Players will be lazy to earn gralats. 2k gralats in pizza take 1 hour. Noone is willing to do that. If you wanna call this incomplete judgement whatever. Go try running this what lyk foundation for 1 week. I am excited to see how is the outcome will be.

Look from page 18-20, see who said ignore you instead of ignoring me? Please if I am narrow minded, how about you? You have been pushing and telling people to accept your idea which is ridiculous. This is stubborn. If I am narrow minded for not accepting your taxation, I guess everyone who disagree on you is also narrow minded. I find someone's signature writing 'TAX THE BASERS' every single page.


And you are not supposed to insult a person in forum. So do I. Please take care of your words. I will take care my words if you take care of yours.

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sorry but I think discussion has moved on and you have completely disregarded what I've recently posted.

I shall quote my recent post. You tell me where the tax is in this idea.

"Our discussion has moved on.

I'd like to revise The LYK Foundation Weekly Payout Scheme

1. Gangs with 1k hours or more and see in the leaderboards for the week will be paid based per hour based on the number of hours that they DID NOT get.

It is calculated by taking (168hours - the total base hours gained by the gang for their week)x10 gralats

This will be paid to each member in the gang at the time of payout. The more they base, the less they get.

The gangs have to be in the leaderboards to receive the payout, which will increase competition in the sector, while also preventing gangs that slack from freeloading. It helps to evenly distribute the amount of time every week because time is a scare quantity here.

2. Gangs with less than 1k hours will receive their payout per member calculated SD follows:

(number of hours gained for the week) x20 gralats

The higher payout rate is justified so is to encourage Newer gangs into the sector.

Note that the pay rate for gangs with more than 1k hours is not to discourage them from basing, but from monopolising. This helps to ensure equity in distribution of base hours.

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You guys are not following the thread, so your inputs are referring to outdated posts or are just irrelevant. Unless you are telling me that "being paid" is considered taxing, then I'm afraid that we don't have the same interpretation of taxation.

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I guess you havent been basing for quite a while. You alrdy get gralats by holding a base. If current paying system doesnt attracts people to base, why would people base with your lyk foundation.

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And sorry for not reading that post clearly. It is not players dont want to read it. Your idea keeps rotating around gralats and economic. Boring till people start to ignore your post and think that you are talking about taxation.

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Look from page 18-20, see who said ignore you instead of ignoring me? Please if I am narrow minded, how about you? You have been pushing and telling people to accept your idea which is ridiculous. This is stubborn. If I am narrow minded for not accepting your taxation, I guess everyone who disagree on you is also narrow minded. I find someone's signature writing 'TAX THE BASERS' every single page.


And you are not supposed to insult a person in forum. So do I. Please take care of your words. I will take care my words if you take care of yours.

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You're trying to tell me that you've chosen not to read my post and instead comment on older posts? You're wasting all our time trying to explain things you simply refused to read.

I don't think I have insulted you when I was merely just stating facts about your conduct here.

I think our conversation ends here. We have wasted a lot of time trying to explain things that you refused to read, having the excuse that "oh, it's too long we don't have time"

Yes sure we don't have time, discussing this with you. This will be my last response to you on this thread.

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You're trying to tell me that you've chosen not to read my post and instead comment on older posts? You're wasting all our time trying to explain things you simply refused to read.

I don't think I have insulted you when I was merely just stating facts about your conduct here.

I think our conversation ends here. We have wasted a lot of time trying to explain things that you refused to read, having the excuse that "oh, it's too long we don't have time"

Yes sure we don't have time, discussing this with you. This will be my last response to you on this thread.

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So.... are you gonna finally stop imposing ideas on the thread?

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So.... are you gonna finally stop imposing ideas on the thread?

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^Honestly.

Highly annoyed at the fact that all there's been is arguing in this thread.



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Stop trying to show off your english by trying to translate taxation into other terms. It is dumb. At the end, you still have to pay gralats. No players want to pay gralats to base..

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I bet you gonna quit this game if you gonna pay something to do something in a game.

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Where does out latest proposal mention, tax, having to pay gralats, or allude to anything as such. Please provide arguments for this claim or quotes from out LATEST argument that suggest that.

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Blackandwhite i recommend you to go through other threads. This guy with a profile picture of smart guy using a laptop is talking about taxation in every thread related about basing, pking, even doing car mission..

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Irrelevant to the case

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Go ask majority of old players who quitted about their reasong quitting this game. They quit not because of reward. It is because this game not fun. Go ask all ifreeze, darkside maelstrom etc. I have been watching them since 2013 until they quit. Rewards might give alrdy encouragement but not going to work for long term.

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“The idea I had in mind as well. The current effectiveness of gang rewards (gang hats skins etc,) needs to be questioned, in its ability in encouraging the growth of diverse (new) gangs (i.e. why a monopolistic basing system exists). I believe there needs to be an additional different set of rewards (or incentive, bonus, whatever) which is more pragmatic for non-veteran gangs and takes more friendly approach to noobs.”

As you state, rewards is merely an encouragement. A means to kickstart a competitive basing scene with the end goal of making it more fun. Rewards, I have in mind, that differ from the 2k+ basing hours.

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Taxation does not increase competitveness in basing. Or whatever you wanna translate it into. As long as paying gralats, no players would. Players will be lazy to earn gralats. 2k gralats in pizza take 1 hour. Noone is willing to do that. If you wanna call this incomplete judgement whatever. Go try running this what lyk foundation for 1 week. I am excited to see how is the outcome will be.

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What’s incomplete is this odd paranoia with a notion of tax, even though NO OINE is pushing this narrative or suggesting so, in the presented argument.

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You have been pushing and telling people to accept your idea which is ridiculous.

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Where does he explicitly say that?

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I guess everyone who disagree on you is also narrow minded. I find someone's signature writing 'TAX THE BASERS' every single page.

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I guess you havent been basing for quite a while. You alrdy get gralats by holding a base. If current paying system doesnt attracts people to base, why would people base with your lyk foundation.

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The proposed solutions isn’t arguing for a presence of a reward but rather a system that give smaller gangs an extra (not gralats already disowned that idea) incentive/bonus/ whatever

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And sorry for not reading that post clearly. It is not players dont want to read it. Your idea keeps rotating around gralats and economic. Boring till people start to ignore your post and think that you are talking about taxation.

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There's also literally people who can't be bothered reading so they make incomplete judgements and some people seems as if they can only misinterpret.

It's lazy and disappointing. Of course not everyone is doing it, but it rubs me the wrong way

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So.... are you gonna finally stop imposing ideas on the thread?

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JD M, please explain
1) How the proposed solution is involved with taxing (with quotes or arguments)
2) Why rewards doesn't lead to encouragement of participation of smaller gangs -> diversity of basing scene -> increased competitiveness -> more fun with basing (without reference to veteran gangs or already existing rewards which isn't the proposed solution's intended audience nor have anything to do about)

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This may be an unpopular opinion but the excuse of simply not being bothered reading the opponent's argument to the extent of make blatantly false or exaggerated interpretations, shouldn't be acceptable in an intended fruitful discourse. If you're "bored" then why make commentary on the opposition argument without full/ complete comprehension and understanding.

It's rather sad that people already have a bias/ incline against LYK which hinders reasoning and prevents them from giving a proper chance for him to explain his changing and adapting ideas.

If you are wondering why people keep thinking about the false idea of tax, then you would only need a look in the mirror to find a perpetrator of this movement.

Ok go tell witch to increase the reward. And see if number of players online increase. I bet with my chaplain that the number wont increase. This is only encouraging experienced to make new gangs to abuse the reward. Earning reward at basing is ezpz if no gang bang.

Yeah, this thread burned out.

Can someone close it? I just don't see it going anywhere at this point.

I appreciate it in advance, thanks.

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