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05-23-2017, 12:08 PM
Sho Minazuki

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

Yet again you have said nothing to prove you know anything. "You don't and will never understand what I am saying" is the biggest cop out excuse for 'I have no real argument but you're still wrong and the reason why you are wrong I don't need to explain because you can't comprehend it'

That's rich coming from you.

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You can carry out your pride all you want, but you ruined your dignity with the mistake you did.
05-23-2017, 12:18 PM
BiTzSam

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Originally Posted by Sho Minazuki

That's rich coming from you.

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You can carry out your pride all you want, but you ruined your dignity with the mistake you did.

Still waiting for you to point out the thing myself and anyone else who doesn't think the guns should have been changed don't see
05-23-2017, 12:20 PM
Sho Minazuki

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

Still waiting for you to point out the thing myself and anyone else who doesn't think the guns should have been changed don't see

Find the answer yourself, after all. It's all in the previous pages.

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

Still waiting for you to point out the thing myself and anyone else who doesn't think the guns should have been changed don't see

Or perhaps your too blind or just really ignorant to understand what the community's opinion about the matter?
05-23-2017, 12:29 PM
D12*

There's so much people complaining, and going all towards BitzSam. Every shooter game have a balance between guns, some become the new meta and others are not used too much as before. The problem here is that this game hasn't got any balance in years, and the players are got used to the meta and it's hard for them to rely on skill now.

Instead of going towards BitzSam, why don't you make a reply with the gun stats that you suggest to have?
05-23-2017, 12:29 PM
LYK08

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Originally Posted by Sho Minazuki

That's rich coming from you.

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You can carry out your pride all you want, but you ruined your dignity with the mistake you did.

Why are you so arrogant thinking that you know the most here?

If you cannot and do not understand the reasons that's been given for the change, then whats the point attempting to put everyone down here and claim that you know the most?

To me it just sound pretty much self-centered and deluded.

The environment is too competitive for players to actually survive and if the guns aren't actually modified such that the playing field is made even more fair, more players will quit and this unfairness will make this game meaningless.

You can argue that you paid for a good firepower and so there's no reason to change but you have to consider in the context of the game because the player base has increased and so somethings must be compromised.

Maybe you are concerned the reduced firepower will make it difficult to kill, but the player base has increased so even with reduced firepower, there will be more players to win/kill. It's actually a compromise for the good of the game but that doesn't affect your potential for kills/wins.

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05-23-2017, 12:41 PM
jaxwashere

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Originally Posted by D12*

There's so much people complaining, and going all towards BitzSam. Every shooter game have a balance between guns, some become the new meta and others are not used too much as before. The problem here is that this game hasn't got any balance in years, and the players are got used to the meta and it's hard for them to rely on skill now.

Instead of going towards BitzSam, why don't you make a reply with the gun stats that you suggest to have?

I understand where your coming from. But he made the changes himself so should deal with the repercussions himself. Also some of our arguments is the stats shouldn't have been changed in the first place.

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05-23-2017, 01:21 PM
Archer Savage

Bar got another balance. Clip went from 20 to 15 but in favor we gained a faster reload. I guess this is a bad move Sam. Either increase a bit of fire rate or spread please....
05-23-2017, 01:30 PM
BiTzSam

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Originally Posted by Archer Savage

Bar got another balance. Clip went from 20 to 15 but in favor we gained a faster reload. I guess this is a bad move Sam. Either increase a bit of fire rate or spread please....

It got that change based on a suggestion from this thread. Nobody said anything when it was discussed against it so I implemented it

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Originally Posted by Sho Minazuki

Ironic huh.

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What's ironic is you calling his stats ironic as an attempt to prove the point that his stats mean he can't have an opinion when you have 1/5th of his kills.

30000 kills is enough kills to have an opinion. Even at 10000 I would say that is enough. Eras gameplay is not a complex system, you don't need 200k-500k kills to have the most 'valid' opinion as your experiences are no difference to theirs. All it comes down to is how much you play/ how powerful your guns are.
Kills don't mean anything in this game anymore with the amount of account sharing that goes on, with multiple people getting kill counts up on a singular account.

Saying that he isn't allowed to have an opinion and trying to ridicule him because he has a different and arguable more logically reasoned than those counter arguments is just another tactic to try devalue what he had to say because you have no actual response. It's pretty childish behaviour, not that, that is unexpected but you can't try and argue a point that these changes are unreasonable when so are the points and attitudes most of you have had
05-23-2017, 01:37 PM
XR

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

No I didn't make a mistake and I don't intent to revert it. Want to know other staffs opinions then go actually read through the thread and see what those who posted have said.

You can't critize someone as 'not being able to understand' when you have given no context or backing to prove that you know more than he does.

You paid for your gun your gun you don't want it nerfed. Fair enough but that is not a reason for gameplay to be left untampered when you have a significant balance gap between mid tier and high tier guns. If you can't accept that there was a SIGNIFICANT unfair advantage then it's pointless arguing as you will always stick to that as a way of justifying the price you paid for it. Just because you paid more for a gun doesn't and shouldn't mean that the gun that cost less has a 1/10 chance of winning against it. The gun that costs more should obviously have a SLIGHT advantage but not one that can't be overcome by a more skilled player.
Work with the change or keep complaining and see nothing change.

I tried suggesting things to you but you kept ignoring me lol, the only gun that caused a problem was bar, all you had to do was make the damage 9 and everything would be fine.. instead you've practically made guns like Vector, Bar, P2ks and Mtar useless
05-23-2017, 01:41 PM
BiTzSam

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Originally Posted by jaxwashere

I understand where your coming from. But he made the changes himself so should deal with the repercussions himself. Also some of our arguments is the stats shouldn't have been changed in the first place.

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Arguments? The only argument- non plural is that you spent money on the guns. So what? I've already explained why that is not a reasoning against the guns being brought down to give lower tier- skilled gun users an advantage. The guns were too strong in comparison with the majority of the other guns in the game, if you say otherwise then you are simply biased because you bought them.
I'm in this position because I am unbiased. You can say 'there needs to be more people making the decisions' but guess what those people would also have to be unbiased and therefore the same conclusion will be reached.

I paid for most of the high tier guns such as bar, shipka, pbp myself. I didn't get those guns for free and yet I am willing to put aside the fact that I paid for them, be unbiased and balance them for the benefit of gameplay as a whole

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Originally Posted by Xur

I tried suggesting things to you but you kept ignoring me lol, the only gun that caused a problem was bar, all you had to do was make the damage 9 and everything would be fine.. instead you've practically made guns like Vector, Bar, P2ks and Mtar useless

I've explained multiple times why you can't nerf the 2 strongest guns and then leave the other guns. Doesn't take much common sense to see that if the 2 best guns are brought down, so do similar guns so that those guns don't just replace them as they'd become statistically better.

I've only ignored your suggestions if they were the same repetitive argument i've answered 100 times or if they were for biased reasonings such as you suggesting me ingame to buff the p2ks (and after looking at your account I happened to see that you had just reached 100k kills so suprise suprise why you would want those buffed now that you can buy them).

The only valid suggestion i've seen you make is the cripple cannon which I have already implemented by reducing its knockback potential from 50% to 10%

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