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We all kno minigun was nerfed but now it impossible to get a kill flame was never nerfed (stacks and burn effect) minigun used to stack because of low damage now it taking half a clip to kill some one keep everything that minigun is now but add the stack again so poeple with minigun get get kills people without minigun are saying add the stack
I don't think minigun needs stack. That's only good if it's a shotgun. But it did have stack? Weird..
People were complaining that it was stronger than a 100 ec item, so I guess they "fixed" it. I don't see a problem with minigun, I can still get killed pretty fast by it.
it got nerfed? WOOHOO
We all kno minigun was nerfed but now it impossible to get a kill flame was never nerfed (stacks and burn effect) minigun used to stack because of low damage now it taking half a clip to kill some one keep everything that minigun is now but add the stack again so poeple with minigun get get kills people without minigun are saying add the stack
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Sorry double posted
I think everything mini has should stay the same but either make it ave more damage or stacking damage againQuote:
Originally Posted by Mystic
It seems fine to me now. It isn't too OP in bases anymore.
lord LOL :D
I swear they never should have made the flamethrower or the minigun.
Or the bar or the pbp etc etcQuote:
Originally Posted by Master Chief
I think gun stats should never be chanched... If you buy a gun and read it should be like that forever because you prob buy a gun for the stats! You GUYS gotta stop nerf stuff i didn't buy the minigun or bar for those stats... Terible for once i would love to see the gun team make something good..
With all due respect, you are wrong and clearly not seeing the big picture.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lafez
The main purpose of nerfing/ buffing an item is because of how the gun impacts the meta game in graal. While the admins do a decent job of testing out some guns, the others... not so much. However we can't exactly blame them because they don't have the same mindset as a regular person playing graal might have, nor do they know how and what will affect the overall gameplay. For example, when I played graal, no one cared about the $4.5k gun in gangster zone called the m4. Look at it now. It is one of the standard issue "sparring gear" in the current meta game. In conclusion, buffing and nerfing a gun is indirectly caused by us the gamers, and admins are simply people who change it accordingly, whether or not someone agrees with it or not.
i came to yell at everyone thats complaining but jazzy made me feel better, thanks for the firstaid kit :)
lol whatQuote:
Originally Posted by Lafez
the gun team lololol
Nobody looks at stats these days...
They only see how popular the gun is or it's ROF/Freeze/Reload/Clip in-game.
The current GA's weapon thread is so difficult to navigate since all the changes are part of a timeline of what people posted in what time "period."Quote:
Originally Posted by XSTARX
I think that the GA(s?)'s should just make individual threads on some of the most controversial guns (i.e. flamethrower, Browning Automatic Rifle, M4, Ghost M4, Shipka, Metalstorm etc.) so that if these guns were to be changed in anyway, they would be listed immediately, not by player opinions and rumors. We could probably have it so that it is only administrator edit only, so that no one posts, but acts as a bulletin board.
Sure, this would be a fair amount of work, but it would solve the problem of no one actually knows what really happened to a gun, and put a stop to all the "Give me the stats to (blank) gun because I don't really know what it is like due to the stats not being updated." posts, along with the "What happened to this (blank) gun?" threads that we see so often these days.
As I've been saying since the MiniGun was released, it should have never given people the ability to spam that easily.
The way it is now is perfect.
I do sympathize for any casualties that were mislead into thinking that their dollars could translate into kills, but you must have seen it coming.
As far as being "worth the money" now, it can still be a highly effective gun, you just have to work for it-- as you should.
Kills shouldn’t come easily, even if you have money to blow.
I think more guns could take a lesson from this.
Under no circumstance should somebody just be able to spam their way to victory.
Spamming on every gun should result in a loss of mobility, as the MiniGun is currently modeling.
You can still spam; you just have to take better care as to when it will be more benefit than risk; because the slower walk speed presents a vulnerability that you now have to take into consideration.
You now have to take a step back and weigh out the good with the bad.
If you wish to hold down your fire-button, you need to make sure that you've got enough cushion between enemy bullets to do so with your current level of dodging ability.
Otherwise, you're going to get mowed down, and out-maneuvered.
If you try to do this mindlessly, the damage you deal will not outweigh the damage you take.
On the other hand, if you wish to take advantage of the mobility that the MiniGun offers, shoot one bullet at a time. It's a great tap fire gun.
Oh, and to squash this question that seems to be lingering:
“Does the minigun still stack?”
Yes, it does.
You can still mow down people with it; you just have to work harder to get them within scope to do it.
True, most admins don’t actually play the game to an extent that they can relate to the playerbase, and most admins don’t get out there and base/spar/etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jazzy
And I like that you're putting some responsibility on the playerbase, after all- they're the ones that pressure the GAs into tweaking guns.
But the full blame cannot be on the players, either.
This came up in another post of mine, so I’ll quote it to save me some typing:
That’s the whole idea behind the title ‘Gun Admin’.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meph
It’s not a position of somebody that just sits behind a RC and blindly alters variables.
It’s a position for an individual that takes all play styles into consideration, and in the testing phases, takes the time to applicate the gun in all venues.
Realistically, a Guns Admin is supposed to be 90% player. They spend most of their time playing the game(sparring, basing, PKing) so that they can make the appropriate calls on stats, and get it right the first time.
Cited quote: http://era-go.com/forum/showthread.p...l=1#post145173
well done
Too bad such a long post doesn't catch the eye of those who prefer spamming their guns more than using actual skills and some brainstorming.
Thus, tap-firing was born! It's way easier than holding down the button just to automatically spam your hell gun.
It's unfair, though. Seeing people complaining about this change just because they suck badly at using their gun.
When I used to play graal, over a year ago, I bought guns because they looked cool, not because they were good. The most expensive gun I ever had was the sten, and even then, I never spent real money on graal.Quote:
Originally Posted by XSTARX
Really, it's just a game. Why do people complain when they waste money? It's really their risk.
Because it's a product and a service provided by a company. You have expectations. It's like going to the movies to see a comedy but it turned out to be a scary movie. Whenever money is involved in anything the people paying become customers. They have a right to criticize the product for good or bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jazzy
ExactlyQuote:
Originally Posted by jaxwashere
Rec and I use our IOS 3x as much as our pcs, and we aren't the type to just idle in start like other people like to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meph
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Yes but it's not like we're turning the minigun into shotgun, you're making it sound like the gun is completely being changed, it still performs the way it used to just gets put more in line with the other guns.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaxwashere
Also i've seen lots of people saying the m4 was nerfed, as far as i'm aware neither rec or I have ever altered the M4 stats. Any changes made to it were prior to us being GA's which was feburary last year
Who cares if its stronger than 100 ec item just waste of money at least give us a 50% refund on guns I don't get it, mini gun is the weakest gun ever and its not worth 200k, just make it stronger its not that hard, you can't just nerf a gun.
people should recieve warnings for asking for refunds, it's starting to get on my nerves "oh my gun is the weakest ever refund NOW, except every player has it and it's finally in it's perfect state!" Grr
What do you mean they can't just nerf a gun, of course they can they're the gun admins, big games change stats all the time, take battlefield 4, the sw40 was a dlc pistol that was op when it was released (dlc is $20 and 70% of people buy it for the guns), 2 months later in the next dlc update it gets nerfed and becomes fair, no refunds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zodiac aka joker
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Its not like theyve changed the guns completely and made them worse than guns under its price, its just not as strong as before because it was op. you guys always complain that the admins suck and you want the old gun admin back to balance the game. Well what do you think the current ones are doing if not balancing, even if the current admins were swapped for the old gun admin nothing will change, if anything based on what he's said, guns will be nerfed even more than now
uhh... ok then..Quote:
Originally Posted by ciel
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To be real with ya your going to have provide a bigger example then that, side arms in Battlefield 4 are mostly used when you run out of ammo and most of the time if you have a good support with you, you'll never run out ammo. Not to mention the DLC was 20 dollars while the Minigun is 80. I'm not talking the minigun nerf though, I'm over that. What happens, happens and I won't complain about it anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renegade
Kind of agree with John on that example, I didn't buy the DLCs and let me tell you every gun was balanced in its own way. I dropped SW users with my Ace 53 SV or M19.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renegade
In this case I find the nerf still needing some tuning as it is no where near par with Bar which in this case alot of weapons arent balanced. Flame needs a nerf, bar needs a nerf, and alot of things need a nerf if we are going down this path. You can't stop now with mini.
lol is got nerf :DD
You know, I have no clue where people are getting that M4 has been changed.Quote:
Originally Posted by BiTzSam
Every time somebody says something about it, I go in and check it just to be sure.
this.gun_spread = 0.1;
this.player_freezefire = {0.1945,0.30};
this.player_freezereload = {0.30,0.35};
this.gun_clip = 16;
Those are the same exact stats it had when I joined the iEra team in August 2012.
I never touched it because everybody saw the M4 as a 'benchmark' gun that set the standard for other guns.
The only guns I ever really wanted to nerf back then was the BAR and Souizen.
http://www.graalians.com/forums/show...2&postcount=15
As far as the MiniGun nerf, as I said earlier: it's perfect.
I've used the MiniGun tap-fire style since its release, and the only inconvenience that the nerf brings is the lower damage.
As far as functionality, I hardly see a difference when I tap-fire it.
I fully stand by the decision to nerf spamming on it.
The only people who would complain are those who lost the ability to rack up kills with ease.
Easy come, easy go.
The gun still holds its own, if you know how to dodge bullets.
If you were part of the lazy few who purchased the gun with the intent of spamming bullets without vulnerability, sorry for your luck.
The only question you should be asking is, "Why hasn't every gun had this nerf as well?"
With the nerf to the minigun we can only assume that the flamethrower is next, it is still arguably better than how the minigun was originally with spamming without any drawback. Kinda bummed to see these changes tho, it's just adding to the list of guns I won't bother repairing :/
With all the recent nerfs I feel like you should buff a weapon-> Maccus Uzi dual, it's one of the the only guns that's better with just 1 of them. Dual wielding it oddly slows down its rate of fire making it shoot like a rifle rather than the Uzi that it is.
Cool...
Flamethrower won't be nerf considering it's an EC item.
Sam says so.