Player Limit in Bases

So recently there has been a lot of changes made to affect how people base. such as banning Chemical Gun.. & Nerfing all the popularly used guns. but it still hasn't changed anything, everything is still the same in terms of basing. i was wondering if there was this thing to "Balance" how basing is done. For example Gang A is holding the base, and it has all 25 of its members online + 25 + 15 on Subs, all these people cramped into one base verses Gang B which has roughly 8-10 People in it, that's quiet unfair i'd say. this significantly affects how new gangs cant grow or even want to base, i already know some of the gangs that relay on numbers of people in their gang to defend a base from only a small number of people attacking.

Anyway back to the point. there should be a limit of people the Gang A, can have inside of the base this includes Subs being limited to a certain number. e.g if 25 people including main gang and sub are inside of the base, more of the members in Gang A & its subs are forbidden to enter the base, until some members go off-tag or offline. this could balance how people base. 15 people in Gang A vs 10 people in Gang B, seems some what manageable for Gang B attempt to base and not get defeated, just because Gang A has more of this "Friend list" to help them defend. and obviously this concept would apply on Gang B once they take the base. or this could have a limit on every gang that is inside the base to have a certain amount of members/people inside of a base. For example Gang A has 17 people, Gang B 12, Gang C 35+Sub. the members of Gang C will not be able to have all of the 35 members inside of the base. this will drastically improve new gangs/weaker gangs ability to hold a base more often. there wont be the reason that Gang A outnumbered Gang B, because Gang A had more help from people.

Not hating on any of the current Top League Gangs, but how often do you see any new gang securely holding a base? its always the big players/gangs having upper hand on "home basing" a certain base. because of popularity and much help from outsiders. To me concept of basing was a certain gang has its own Ranks/Members, they base with them, each one of them earns their rewards. but now its just 8/15 ranks are offline/off-tag & "temps/helpers" are holding the base for them & they just relay on outnumbering opposition gang by recruiting more and more. this just removes the "Skills/Experience" needed to base. and nerfing the guns/banning them from base didn't really do that much of balancing into basing.

Forting will not be affected by this at all. forting doesn't require people to be on subs and taking bases. its not like having a 100 people limit that are only allowed to be in base. its just the gangs inside have their player limits to be inside of base.

Props to those who made it this far reading the boring thread Lol.
Criticism would be much appreciated, Please share your ideas on this concept as well.

Player limit would be a bad idea because gangs can end up having wars and will have like 100+ people involved. Or even fort so no idk if this will happen.

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Originally Posted by JungleJimmy

Player limit would be a bad idea because gangs can end up having wars and will have like 100+ people involved. Or even fort so no idk if this will happen.

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Fort doesn't affect this because the gang Forting don't have subs. that is a totally different thing. this would only apply to the gangs that are basing. and gang wars that's probably another reason why there should be a limit, it doesn't have to be 100+ people v another 100+ people.

This is actually a decent idea. We should consider this. There are a few things we could tweak but all in all a great idea :)

It's a decent idea.. The idea can have an impact for many gangs to try out basing and actually have a chance on getting a base. It would be a good Improvement to Graal :)

I disagree my opinion...

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It will easily make it the most 50-50 and skill base fighting rather than just have 50v20 all the time gg Vertu

It is a good idea but I don't think it will happen. For example, if one gang has 25 members basing and the other gang has 10 members basing, if you want to make it equal, 15 members will be disallowed to base. I don't think it would be fair to disallow people to base.

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Originally Posted by Sam Winchester

It is a good idea but I don't think it will happen. For example, if one gang has 25 members basing and the other gang has 10 members basing, if you want to make it equal, 15 members will be disallowed to base. I don't think that it would be fair to disallow people to base.

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if the gang has 25 people and the other 15 that wont do anything, its just for example a gang reaches more players than 25 inside the base that would disallow them inside the base. its not about equaling the numbers of people vs each other, its just about outnumbering in a unfair way, like 40 people vs 10. if that's the case it would at least lower to 25 v 10.

Yeah, I feel that this would help with the recent complaints about basing being the sport where whoever recruits the most wins. Skill would come into to play and be more beneficial if both gangs had the same amount of people.

Bad idea. Imagine the base if being raided and you can't enter to defend because "the base is at its limit" lol

Way to think of something new tho, lots of pro.... way too much con

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Originally Posted by Harrio

Bad idea. Imagine the base if being raided and you can't enter to defend because "the base is at its limit" lol

Way to think of something new tho, lots of pro.... way too much con

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there is no base limit.. if you read the full post. its just about having a certain player limit of certain Gang that is allowed to have "this many" people inside the base which includes their sub in a total count. there won't be anything restricting you from entering base, because there is no limit of a total count of people in the base. and about the base being raided, needs help you can recruit till a max of xyz to defend. point is no outnumbering like 50 in one gang+sub vs 10.

I feel this is a really bad idea, you are excluding others and grail doesn't need that to happen. Especially with all the hate that happened with all the nerfs and such.
I can see your side of the argument but if I was apart of making the discussion, I would disagree.
You may or may not care what I have said above but that's fine with me.

In theory it's a good idea, but if this ever happened then the maximum members of Gang A would all stay in the flag room defending whilst other members of gang A who are OFF TAG go into the base and attack the attacking members without any gang tag on. Big base battles don't happen that frequently so I definitely see the bigger gangs doing this.
Yes it would still work slightly but because of what I said above, the drasticness of this idea does not warrant the time being spent implementing it and having to deal with backlash with the small amount it would even help because of there being many ways to get around it.

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

In theory it's a good idea, but if this ever happened then the maximum members of Gang A would all stay in the flag room defending whilst other members of gang A who are OFF TAG go into the base and attack the attacking members without any gang tag on. Big base battles don't happen that frequently so I definitely see the bigger gangs doing this.
Yes it would still work slightly but because of what I said above, the drasticness of this idea does not warrant the time being spent implementing it and having to deal with backlash with the small amount it would even help because of there being many ways to get around it.

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How about creating 2-3 bases were it could just hold up to 25 players per gang with no allies/ subs.

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

In theory it's a good idea, but if this ever happened then the maximum members of Gang A would all stay in the flag room defending whilst other members of gang A who are OFF TAG go into the base and attack the attacking members without any gang tag on. Big base battles don't happen that frequently so I definitely see the bigger gangs doing this.
Yes it would still work slightly but because of what I said above, the drasticness of this idea does not warrant the time being spent implementing it and having to deal with backlash with the small amount it would even help because of there being many ways to get around it.

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I guess that's quite reasonable. And I do agree it would take a lot of work and time to put into this concept. But thank you for appreciating the idea (:

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Originally Posted by KvNEraa

How about creating 2-3 bases were it could just hold up to 25 players per gang with no allies/ subs.

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I don't think there will be any more bases being added. And don't see a reason why, the map is mostly covered by bases now that box factory zone has been added. But my concept if it does get implement in the future or what not, it maybe useful and would give people a challenge, in a way that is not abusive.

The only time that there is a lot of people in a base is during fort :/


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Originally Posted by VertuCA

there is no base limit.. if you read the full post. its just about having a certain player limit of certain Gang that is allowed to have "this many" people inside the base which includes their sub in a total count. there won't be anything restricting you from entering base, because there is no limit of a total count of people in the base. and about the base being raided, needs help you can recruit till a max of xyz to defend. point is no outnumbering like 50 in one gang+sub vs 10.

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Nothing stops gang A from removing gang B as an ally just to avoid the player limit. Most gangs help other gangs even if they aren't allied

Example: A new gang attacks Obsidian and takes the base. Obsidian then calls Gold and Godelic to help them take back. Unfortunately for the new gang they cant take the base back because they have a player limit, and no other gang wants to help because they don't want to risk a war

Won't happen, will create a large backlash and will be annoying if you can't get into a base.

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Originally Posted by HeavenlyFreeze

Nothing stops gang A from removing gang B as an ally just to avoid the player limit. Most gangs help other gangs even if they aren't allied

Example: A new gang attacks Obsidian and takes the base. Obsidian then calls Gold and Godelic to help them take back. Unfortunately for the new gang they cant take the base back because they have a player limit, and no other gang wants to help because they don't want to risk a war

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That ^ honestly made zero sense to me. If it did to anyone please explain to me lol.


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With all due respect to everyone's opinion on this concept. I just want to say most of the people that disagreed or pointed out a certain flaw on this, I could go on and on about fixing that. But even after such brief description / explaination people didn't really understand the concept as I was hoping. And those who did understand gave their positive/negative response.
As Bitzsam explained how people could go around this rule of concept, and how it could take lots of work etc to implement this into the game, and it will only benefit a little amount of people instead of a drastic change I was hoping for. That all makes sense & this probably may or may not happen. That's just my point of view.

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Originally Posted by VertuCA

So recently there has been a lot of changes made to affect how people base. such as banning Chemical Gun.. & Nerfing all the popularly used guns. but it still hasn't changed anything, everything is still the same in terms of basing. i was wondering if there was this thing to "Balance" how basing is done. For example Gang A is holding the base, and it has all 25 of its members online + 25 + 15 on Subs, all these people cramped into one base verses Gang B which has roughly 8-10 People in it, that's quiet unfair i'd say. this significantly affects how new gangs cant grow or even want to base, i already know some of the gangs that relay on numbers of people in their gang to defend a base from only a small number of people attacking.

Anyway back to the point. there should be a limit of people the Gang A, can have inside of the base this includes Subs being limited to a certain number. e.g if 25 people including main gang and sub are inside of the base, more of the members in Gang A & its subs are forbidden to enter the base, until some members go off-tag or offline. this could balance how people base. 15 people in Gang A vs 10 people in Gang B, seems some what manageable for Gang B attempt to base and not get defeated, just because Gang A has more of this "Friend list" to help them defend. and obviously this concept would apply on Gang B once they take the base. or this could have a limit on every gang that is inside the base to have a certain amount of members/people inside of a base. For example Gang A has 17 people, Gang B 12, Gang C 35+Sub. the members of Gang C will not be able to have all of the 35 members inside of the base. this will drastically improve new gangs/weaker gangs ability to hold a base more often. there wont be the reason that Gang A outnumbered Gang B, because Gang A had more help from people.

Not hating on any of the current Top League Gangs, but how often do you see any new gang securely holding a base? its always the big players/gangs having upper hand on "home basing" a certain base. because of popularity and much help from outsiders. To me concept of basing was a certain gang has its own Ranks/Members, they base with them, each one of them earns their rewards. but now its just 8/15 ranks are offline/off-tag & "temps/helpers" are holding the base for them & they just relay on outnumbering opposition gang by recruiting more and more. this just removes the "Skills/Experience" needed to base. and nerfing the guns/banning them from base didn't really do that much of balancing into basing.

Forting will not be affected by this at all. forting doesn't require people to be on subs and taking bases. its not like having a 100 people limit that are only allowed to be in base. its just the gangs inside have their player limits to be inside of base.

Props to those who made it this far reading the boring thread Lol.
Criticism would be much appreciated, Please share your ideas on this concept as well.

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Not being rude, but you're dumb for writing this much about something that will never happen.

If you're a new gang then work for your hours era is not how it used to be years ago where gangs would give up and let someone hold their base reward hour numbers are too big for that.

You want hours? Get a deal with a big gang, on era it takes time to make time be patient.

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And if you guys want skill basing go to neo.

(oh wait y'all scared of obsidian)

Or make a base that has a gang limit of 5 so with subs together it would be 25 so I guess it would be more fair, or even make a smaller base Like OG lethal. So small gangs can just run up there and secure 4 hours max also having that base close to start hospital so it would be really popular with pkers.

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Originally Posted by Link Co

And if you guys want skill basing go to neo.

(oh wait y'all scared of obsidian)

Or make a base that has a gang limit of 5 so with subs together it would be 25 so I guess it would be more fair, or even make a smaller base Like OG lethal. So small gangs can just run up there and secure 4 hours max also having that base close to start hospital so it would be really popular with pkers.

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Haven't you seen the alliances in era basing¿

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Originally Posted by Link Co

And if you guys want skill basing go to neo.

(oh wait y'all scared of obsidian)

Or make a base that has a gang limit of 5 so with subs together it would be 25 so I guess it would be more fair, or even make a smaller base Like OG lethal. So small gangs can just run up there and secure 4 hours max also having that base close to start hospital so it would be really popular with pkers.

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Obsidian sucks


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[QUOTE=Link Co;448901]And if you guys want skill basing go to neo.

(oh wait y'all scared of obsidian)

Or make a base that has a gang limit of 5 so with subs together it would be 25 so I guess it would be more fair, or even make a smaller base Like OG lethal. So small gangs can just run up there and secure 4 hours max also having that base close to start hospital so it would be really popular with pkers.

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No, id want friendly fire with subs or something. VertuCA is correct, you go raid 5 people at lethal, 50 more show up. It's ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Link Co

Not being rude, but you're dumb for writing this much about something that will never happen.

If you're a new gang then work for your hours era is not how it used to be years ago where gangs would give up and let someone hold their base reward hour numbers are too big for that.

You want hours? Get a deal with a big gang, on era it takes time to make time be patient.

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Originally Posted by Link Co

And if you guys want skill basing go to neo.

(oh wait y'all scared of obsidian)

Or make a base that has a gang limit of 5 so with subs together it would be 25 so I guess it would be more fair, or even make a smaller base Like OG lethal. So small gangs can just run up there and secure 4 hours max also having that base close to start hospital so it would be really popular with pkers.

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Need a tissue maybe?

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Originally Posted by VertuCA

That ^ honestly made zero sense to me. If it did to anyone please explain to me lol.


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With all due respect to everyone's opinion on this concept. I just want to say most of the people that disagreed or pointed out a certain flaw on this, I could go on and on about fixing that. But even after such brief description / explaination people didn't really understand the concept as I was hoping. And those who did understand gave their positive/negative response.
As Bitzsam explained how people could go around this rule of concept, and how it could take lots of work etc to implement this into the game, and it will only benefit a little amount of people instead of a drastic change I was hoping for. That all makes sense & this probably may or may not happen. That's just my point of view.

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lmao my bad. I was on xanax and a whole lot of other stuff

It's best to leave the player limit as it is. We all have the right to spam recruit msgs when needed.

If Gang A is recruiting more players

Then Gang B should do it too


It's fair, it's just how much skilled players you have andthe players who tribute

This thread makes me giggle

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Originally Posted by Link Co

Not being rude, but you're dumb for writing this much about something that will never happen.

If you're a new gang then work for your hours era is not how it used to be years ago where gangs would give up and let someone hold their base reward hour numbers are too big for that.

You want hours? Get a deal with a big gang, on era it takes time to make time be patient.

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His proving a point here , some might like some won't