Pbp Shotgun change?

tldr: pbp has unstable damage as it's too easy to avoid them, i'd rather have high damage nonstack at this point, it's frustrating having people kite you and try to snipe you with rifles,handguns,machineguns.

I'm not sure why pbp shotgun was made to deal 3 damage per bullet with stack damage, yes it's nice to deal 12 damage upclose but who is stupid enough to eat all the bullets? i've seen every player avoid with ease and i myself avoid other pbp shotgun users without any difficulty

the whole stack idea is unique, i undertsand.. but it doesn't seem viable especially in pve where you deal 3 damage no stack on monsters.. is it possible that pbp shotgun could have high damage without stacks? or atleast have it do 6 damage per bullet and with 2 damage stacks at a time.

i love shotguns but i prefer the version of pbp shotgun on the pc client version era (minus the part having to reload one bullet after another)

at this point im considering using the top tier guns instead, it was foolish of me to not buy a bar,shipka,ghost m4, minigun instead.

The pbp has been nerved way too many times for my liking(personal opinion). Pbp used to be widely used... now players choose to use ANY other gun besides the pbp. I'm surprised the gun admins did not realise that something is wrong when practically you can see no one actually still using the pbp. Is this not something which should be considered for re-buff? The fact that you can rarely see pbp users on the streets of era should be more then enough evidence to consider this buff.

The PBP needs its original 8 damage stats, would make it 10x more useful than its current state.

i was actually surprised how many people advised me NOT to purchase Pbp shotgun, they begged me not to buy it for my own good
and at this point i am actually regretting it, i should have just bought a shipka, bar, minigun like the rest of the clever players.. and this is coming from a person who usually plays only shotguns in shooters (too bad the other shooters i played shut down..) :cool:

so it had 8 damage with no stacks? i was thinking more like 11 and 12 in perfect condition. im fine with 9 damage and 10 in perfect condition though.

i think that's about the same damage difference in the pc client graal.

I've always thought we should get rid of shotgun stacked damage.
Let this mark the third time I've made this statement:

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Originally Posted by Meph, from Graalians, 10/24/2012

Personally I'm in favor of the higher, not stacked damage. Primarily because I'm old school.
We never used a shotgun as a main weapon. In combat, We took advantage of its bare-bones function: to shoot multiple bullets simultaneously. This was primarily utilized to bust down doors, and to shake up a fight.

I feel like I've had this conversation before.
Wait, I have! 12-07-2010:
http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...&postcount=292

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Quoted source: http://www.graalians.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11308

I still dislike the slow reload freeze it has before able to move away.

i remember when pbp was 9 dmg in perfect shape, and shot 2 bullets; back then, it was perfect...

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Originally Posted by #14 AJ

i remember when pbp was 9 dmg in perfect shape, and shot 2 bullets; back then, it was perfect...

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It still shot the the same amount of bullets bud just not stacked. You are thinking KSG

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Originally Posted by ciel

i was actually surprised how many people advised me NOT to purchase Pbp shotgun, they begged me not to buy it for my own good
and at this point i am actually regretting it, i should have just bought a shipka, bar, minigun like the rest of the clever players.. and this is coming from a person who usually plays only shotguns in shooters (too bad the other shooters i played shut down..) :cool:

so it had 8 damage with no stacks? i was thinking more like 11 and 12 in perfect condition. im fine with 9 damage and 10 in perfect condition though.

i think that's about the same damage difference in the pc client graal.

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So everyone told you not to buy it so you bogut it anyways?

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Originally Posted by Ventus

The PBP needs its original 8 damage stats, would make it 10x more useful than its current state.

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Yes plz

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Originally Posted by BAW Zephlyn

So everyone told you not to buy it so you bogut it anyways?

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im sorry.. but the design of the tiger skin tempted me, i thought i could still appreciate it but the stack was horrible...!! really wish it had 10 damage without stack damage, is it possible to allow moving during reload? im fine with a slower movespeed.

i've seen in many tv shows where they would move during reloading and found it pretty cool :cool:

THE PBP is a Rip off U cant Really base with The gun is More about Steaking :p Yea i like it is good For streaking but Cmon U literlly cant base with the gun it has way to much Delay after it shoot One round it Take like a 1 sec so u can fire another round >:( BUt By then THe Oppenet will kill u Is there anything that can be done .

That also Not It When u shoot u actually Dont move for a Sec Kinda Wack that just mean Ur oppnent has a batter chance on killing u sadly ?

The PBP use to be strongest Gun now is the wackest GUn I think and Expensive :0

1.My Morano THompson is a Better GUn for baseing then The Pbp Y Because U can Actually move Freely while u shoot Also Got a Clip of 20 Same as the PBP lol ?
2.Morano Thompson IS Good for baseing + Sparing :) I use it all the time I also Love that u Get A free Satchel or Bag With the Purchase of the Morano Thompson Big thumbs UP :) I also Like it Only 82500 Gralats

1 last question Did THe PBP get Nerfd And if it Did Y didnt the Price of the PBP Get Nerfd AS well Lol its only Fair :)

agreed it needs to be buffed, or shipka needs to be nerfed. its ridicioulous how shipka overpowers pbp straightline now, and never been nerfed for a specific reason im going to keep silent for now.

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Originally Posted by David Pandavi

agreed it needs to be buffed, or shipka needs to be nerfed. its ridicioulous how shipka overpowers pbp straightline now, and never been nerfed for a specific reason im going to keep silent for now.

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Don't talk about nerfing! You'll give bitzsam ideas.....

it needs to be buffed in some way.. because shipka same price (5k off who cares) and it is 10x better than the pbp. definately needs to be buffed or shipka nerf.

I agree it needs buffed in some way. This thing used to actually intimidate me. Now... not so much. It could be that I don't see it as much of a threat anymore because I've gotten skilled enough to counter it, but It still has lost it's bark as well as it's bite for me.

Well now a days Minigun and Flamethrower has become the prominent streak/ pk weapons because of its faster time to kill so its a no brainer why the thing has gone unpopular. I personally still like it, feels good and combat ready.

needs reduced freeze and more dmg pbp went from good to bad which is sad because i really liked the gun before. it was really usefull in streaking but now it sux and minigun is the perferred streaking gun

i think i haven't played iera for about 2 weeks because of how horribly weak this gun is, it got worse when i got to try out my friends account with all the top tier guns i facepalmed to myself so hard that i had a black out >.> 9 damage normal state and 10 damage in perfect state no stacks, make it happen please!

All this People want the PBP back But the Question IS it going to come back ANd plz plz plz Buff the PBP

Pbp is best gun in game if you know how to use it, same with dsr

by knowing how to use pbp, are you telling people to use it on people that afk right on their face or are you telling me to use it on people that never pked before.

the thing you dont know is that players that arn't retarded know exacly how to avoid pbp bullets.. maybe you're mixing bar up with pbp or something lol then again bar doesn't need you to "know" how to use it. pbp even if you KNOW how to use it hardly has any chance against the high tier guns, maybe minigun if your opponent is dumb.

pbp just feels like a gun you use to kill afkers or laggers that move slow right in their face otherwise it's just plain useless and yes i haven't played for months because pbp damage is just stupid, i want the non stack damage back

I've always thought PBP should have non-stack, with 8 damage.
I believe both parties --those shooting the PBP, and those getting shot by it-- would appreciate the change.
The shooters would be happy that their gun deals 8 damage, and those being shot would be happy knowing that the gun cannot deal 16 damage if they get too close.
I don't know about everybody else, but when a PBP lands a hit on me, it's rarely just one bullet that hits me. I either dodge it completely, or take at least two.

I personally find the Sawn-Off shotgun to be a much bigger threat than the PBP.
In fact, I find the sawn-off shotgun to be the most annoying weapon on the game.
Every time I encounter one, I find myself verbalizing the word "p***y" quite often.

The irony, of course, is that the thing is sold in "my shop".

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Originally Posted by Meph

I've always thought PBP should have non-stack, with 8 damage.
I believe both parties --those shooting the PBP, and those getting shot by it-- would appreciate the change.
The shooters would be happy that their gun deals 8 damage, and those being shot would be happy knowing that the gun cannot deal 16 damage if they get too close.
I don't know about everybody else, but when a PBP lands a hit on me, it's rarely just one bullet that hits me. I either dodge it completely, or take at least two.

I personally find the Sawn-Off shotgun to be a much bigger threat than the PBP.
In fact, I find the sawn-off shotgun to be the most annoying weapon on the game.
Every time I encounter one, I find myself verbalizing the word "p***y" quite often.

The irony, of course, is that the thing is sold in "my shop".

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Love the last line xD.
but if pbp was to have this change they should also change other aspects of the gun, and when i mean change i mean buff all the rest such as: freeze, reload, clip capacity, fire rate, etc etc. It is still worth a hella lot of money... 125k graalats to be exact.

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Originally Posted by PINEHONEY

Love the last line xD.
but if pbp was to have this change they should also change other aspects of the gun, and when i mean change i mean buff all the rest such as: freeze, reload, clip capacity, fire rate, etc etc. It is still worth a hella lot of money... 125k graalats to be exact.

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what was the original full stats and the current full stats?

Freeze
Reload
Clip
Fire Rate

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Originally Posted by Meph

I've always thought PBP should have non-stack, with 8 damage.
I believe both parties --those shooting the PBP, and those getting shot by it-- would appreciate the change.
The shooters would be happy that their gun deals 8 damage, and those being shot would be happy knowing that the gun cannot deal 16 damage if they get too close.
I don't know about everybody else, but when a PBP lands a hit on me, it's rarely just one bullet that hits me. I either dodge it completely, or take at least two.

I personally find the Sawn-Off shotgun to be a much bigger threat than the PBP.
In fact, I find the sawn-off shotgun to be the most annoying weapon on the game.
Every time I encounter one, I find myself verbalizing the word "p***y" quite often.

The irony, of course, is that the thing is sold in "my shop".

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More like a double barrel shotgun shooting 3 times.

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Originally Posted by ciel

what was the original full stats and the current full stats?

Freeze
Reload
Clip
Fire Rate

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nobody knows the original stats? :(

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Originally Posted by Fuze

Pbp is best gun in game if you know how to use it, same with dsr

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Hell no.

please let me know when pbp shotgun is changed to no stack with higher damage

Im also expecting that our Gun admin would do something about the PBP shotgun. Its not pretty effective gun for its price. I would suggest to return it to its original stats(not stack 9 damage) or maybe adjust the stats of the Gun.

Im not convinced that the gun is balance as of the moment. Hopefully someone will look into this

Please nerf PBP Shotgun
Im dissapointed when player using while Im reviving battle IT ACTALLY HITS U EVEN IF UR REVIVING

Just waiting for Meph to end this thread with a top notch post!