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07-31-2015, 07:53 AM
John98

P2k

Bitzsam, I appreciate all your work on balancing the guns
and everything you committed to iEra server.
But to be honest, I feel like you should really reconsider The P2k.

Nice Stats, Awesome guns, Cool for Spamming.

But In a physical basing world,
The p2k don't really cut the job for a everyday Pkers.

I know as a guns admin it's your job to fix stuff like this.
but to be honest i think you should create a new weapon
and replace it with the P2k and make a single weapon with more Features
instead of 2 small guns that can't really support a everyday baser/Pker.

But then again bar is still better then Dual P2k's.

Can you at least try something new?
I don't want my money to be wasted on
something that can be so good.

I love the gun.
but it looks like we are being toyed with.
07-31-2015, 08:23 AM
Martin

Its called Balancing the gun m8
it doesnt have to be so op
BiTzSam balanced it because the spam way too much
but at least its fast enough to kill

I recommend people to stop posting threads about nerfing or buffing guns ever again
please close*
07-31-2015, 08:35 AM
Morganga

"fast to kill" lol, do you even have the P2ks?
07-31-2015, 08:43 AM
John98

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin

Its called Balancing the gun m8
it doesnt have to be so op
BiTzSam balanced it because the spam way too much
but at least its fast enough to kill

I recommend people to stop posting threads about nerfing or buffing guns ever again
please close*

I recommend you to read and understand my post.

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Pking vs Sparring

Both are separated in many levels.
Pkers get Nasty spamming weapons with no based skills.
Sparrers get nice smooth touched gun with Extra features added on.
Example
Vector
M4a3
07-31-2015, 09:20 AM
Elfren Eve

Hm, Didn't you hate P2Ks?
If I remember correctly, You supported the whole P2K nerf,
Maybe it wasn't you.
I think that since sparring requires "skill", the weapons rewarded are a lot more unique.
07-31-2015, 09:31 AM
John98

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elfren Eve

Hm, Didn't you hate P2Ks?
If I remember correctly, You supported the whole P2K nerf,
Maybe it wasn't you.
I think that since sparring requires "skill", the weapons rewarded are a lot more unique.

"People get mad over stupid things."
"They Talk before Testing."
Stuff i looked into while using them.
If sparring requires skills.
then why not add the Hk416 into the room?
07-31-2015, 09:46 AM
Elfren Eve

My bad, I'm not the best when it comes to remembering things. :D
When I said "skill", It was meant to imply that
It's easier to kill players in a pk zone than in a spar arena/square.
Not an actual skill that would help you out later on.
Back to your point, It'd be nice to see pk rewarded guns to have more features.
07-31-2015, 10:07 AM
John98

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elfren Eve

My bad, I'm not the best when it comes to remembering things. :D
When I said "skill", It was meant to imply that
It's easier to kill players in a pk zone than in a spar arena/square.
Not an actual skill that would help you out later on.
Back to your point, It'd be nice to see pk rewarded guns to have more features.

Yeah, If you think about it, Boosting Spar stats is more easy then boosting kills now & days?
Don't you think???
07-31-2015, 01:54 PM
Victor

Please rebuff the P2K, the P2K is now so slow and it's not even better than BAR or even Shipka, I don't get it why do we PK for it so hard and the gun is not actually that good.
07-31-2015, 02:32 PM
Dio the awesome

Is this the annoying pesty gun a pistol deals 9 damage can be dual?
07-31-2015, 02:59 PM
Victor

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dio the awesome

Is this the annoying pesty gun a pistol deals 9 damage can be dual?

AP7, Desert Eagle.
07-31-2015, 10:34 PM
John98

P2k does not need to be buffed, it needs to be fixed or replaced in a way with new features
08-23-2015, 01:26 PM
jaxwashere

All I can say it's definitely not worth 100k for a single or 200k for both. I'd tell any who just got 100k kills Do Not buy it... It's basically only descent for spar now.
08-28-2015, 10:46 PM
olive6661

Here's an idea:

Drastically bring down the price so its more worth it. Roughly $40 a piece? What a ripoff. Maybe 50k a piece since they require work to unlock them.

Also, add an aesthetic feature such as laser pointers or something to give it some meat.
08-28-2015, 11:26 PM
Graal1417154

Quote:

Originally Posted by John98

Bitzsam, I appreciate all your work on balancing the guns
and everything you committed to iEra server.
But to be honest, I feel like you should really reconsider The P2k.

Nice Stats, Awesome guns, Cool for Spamming.

But In a physical basing world,
The p2k don't really cut the job for a everyday Pkers.

I know as a guns admin it's your job to fix stuff like this.
but to be honest i think you should create a new weapon
and replace it with the P2k and make a single weapon with more Features
instead of 2 small guns that can't really support a everyday baser/Pker.

But then again bar is still better then Dual P2k's.

Can you at least try something new?
I don't want my money to be wasted on
something that can be so good.

I love the gun.
but it looks like we are being toyed with.

well how about a nuclear gun that explode in each bullet and the exploding will deal 15dmg and the bullets deal 15 dmg how?
08-29-2015, 12:18 AM
Froz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Graal1417154

well how about a nuclear gun that explode in each bullet and the exploding will deal 15dmg and the bullets deal 15 dmg how?

The nuclear gun better have the worst stats in the world if its explosive and damage is that high
1 clip
8.00 freeze
5.00 reload time
15 when perfect
Explosive chance 100% 15 dmg
And bad accuracy
And etc
08-29-2015, 12:39 AM
John98

Quote:

Originally Posted by Graal1417154

well how about a nuclear gun that explode in each bullet and the exploding will deal 15dmg and the bullets deal 15 dmg how?

That won't fit the p2k, it would make it a over powered weapon

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Combined the guns like
Call of duty Zombies wave gun?

https://gyazo.com/e4e713d556a012e0688b3eeff0fc5246

I don't know just a idea
08-29-2015, 12:43 AM
BiTzSam

P2k is still statistically the best gun in the game and I see no need for any changes. Yes it was priced high, if I wasn't away when it was released it wouldn't have been 100k each but nothing can be done about it. After it's nerf, it still has the equal 1st fastest firerate of any gun that does above 6 damage (excluding mini/flame/ spectre etc), It has the 3rd highest clip of any gun in the game (ab8 at 40 and sawed at 35- don't know why those 2 guns have massive clips anyway but ok) has the 3rd lowest freeze range on an 8 damage gun in the 0.14-0.15 region, only being beaten by souizen at 0.12 and m4a3 at 0.1375, and it also has the fastest reload time of any 8-9 damage gun.

You can spam it consistently, and as it has alternating bullet positions you can use it to make the bullets harder to dodge, with bullet walls etc. it may not beat bar in 1v1 no movement because of bars extra damage, but p2k will destroy almost any other gun, and can beat bar in spars, and if you are good at dodging.

Compared to bar p2k shoots 0.4 faster, has 0.6 less freeze, has 12 more clip and reloads in half the time. Only difference being bar has some spread and 1 more damage.

Won't be buffed, won't be changed, prices won't be reduced
08-29-2015, 01:06 AM
John98

Quote:

Originally Posted by BiTzSam

P2k is still statistically the best gun in the game

Bar is still better,
test it for your self.

9 damage bar can still own p2k in it's sleep.
08-29-2015, 01:07 AM
olive6661

Quote:

Originally Posted by John98

Bar is still better,
test it for your self.

9 damage bar can still own p2k in it's sleep.

Money> Money and 100k kills
08-29-2015, 01:19 AM
John98

I think it should be based of pk/basing,
not pk/basing/spar.

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I might be wrong, but i guess i can test this Bitzsam
08-29-2015, 03:37 AM
ReyR

Didn't buy p2ks, I settled for psg-1 instead
08-29-2015, 05:24 AM
Taylor345

Bad idea. Sorry.
08-29-2015, 05:50 AM
Timothy Rodgers

Or we could just delete the BAR.
08-29-2015, 12:46 PM
Victor

It went pathetic, it was priced same like BAR, costs 100k each means for 200k is dual.
So the 100k kills are just for the extra better a bit stats?
08-31-2015, 04:36 AM
John98

Quote:

Originally Posted by Victor

It went pathetic, it was priced same like BAR, costs 100k each means for 200k is dual.
So the 100k kills are just for the extra better a bit stats?

Bitzsam says it's better,
I don't think so.
Maybe i'm wrong.
08-31-2015, 11:51 AM
imoney a nub

Only if p2k wasn't nerfed....
08-31-2015, 12:06 PM
Victor

I would work hard for it if it wasn't nerfed, it's more like a Spar gun, instead of PK
08-31-2015, 01:17 PM
jaxwashere

This game seriously needs more gun admins instead of this monarchy. It should be a group decision. Bitzsam basis most of his nerf choices around spar effectiveness. Not pk, basing etc. Not only that completely ignores the community unless they cry for a nerf it's disgusting. P2Ks are earned and it takes 100,000 kills that might take a casual player years. It should be drastically better than bar.
08-31-2015, 01:20 PM
olive6661

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaxwashere

This game seriously needs more gun admins instead of this monarchy. It should be a group decision. Bitzsam basis most of his nerf choices around spar effectiveness. Not pk, basing etc. Not only that completely ignores the community unless they cry for a nerf it's disgusting. P2Ks are earned and it takes 100,000 kills that might take a casual player years. It should be drastically better than bar.

Less PRs, more talented folks. We should have like a trio of gun admins. One for Sparring, one for Pking, and one for Basing. They all work together in creating weapons that will benefit all groups.
08-31-2015, 01:24 PM
jaxwashere

Quote:

Originally Posted by olive6661

Less PRs, more talented folks. We should have like a trio of gun admins. One for Sparring, one for Pking, and one for Basing. They all work together in creating weapons that will benefit all groups.

Agreed bitzams one sided opinion or (1-2) gun admins shouldn't effect the entire game. 80% of basers with p2k stopped using it after nerf because its useless everyone knows this it's no secret.
08-31-2015, 01:28 PM
olive6661

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaxwashere

Agreed bitzams one sided opinion or (1-2) gun admins shouldn't effect the entire game. 80% of basers with p2k stopped using it after nerf because its useless everyone knows this it's no secret.

He still claims that's it "statistically" the best gun in the game. But go to any base and see what all the pros use. (Hint: its the BAR). He can say what he wants, but the proof that it's no longer viable is easily seen in what weapon of choice people use.
08-31-2015, 01:32 PM
jaxwashere

Quote:

Originally Posted by BiTzSam

P2k is still statistically the best gun in the game and I see no need for any changes. Yes it was priced high, if I wasn't away when it was released it wouldn't have been 100k each but nothing can be done about it. After it's nerf, it still has the equal 1st fastest firerate of any gun that does above 6 damage (excluding mini/flame/ spectre etc), It has the 3rd highest clip of any gun in the game (ab8 at 40 and sawed at 35- don't know why those 2 guns have massive clips anyway but ok) has the 3rd lowest freeze range on an 8 damage gun in the 0.14-0.15 region, only being beaten by souizen at 0.12 and m4a3 at 0.1375, and it also has the fastest reload time of any 8-9 damage gun.

You can spam it consistently, and as it has alternating bullet positions you can use it to make the bullets harder to dodge, with bullet walls etc. it may not beat bar in 1v1 no movement because of bars extra damage, but p2k will destroy almost any other gun, and can beat bar in spars, and if you are good at dodging.

Compared to bar p2k shoots 0.4 faster, has 0.6 less freeze, has 12 more clip and reloads in half the time. Only difference being bar has some spread and 1 more damage.

Won't be buffed, won't be changed, prices won't be reduced

Stop and take a look at all the guns your comparing it to they are not in the price range of p2k. You need to stop looking at guns effectiveness from a spar standpoint. P2k is almost useless in pk and basing compared to the other guns in that price range. You say bar has only one damage more than p2k like it's miniscule. One damage is alot not to mention p2k has 0 spread. P2k is EARNED and cost 200k do you understand why this is unfair and unrealistic to the people purchasing it.

Also saying the gun won't be changed at all because your opinion alone and not the era community goes to shows you only value your opinion not the communities. Last time I checked this game consist of around 3,000+ online daily. Your opinion is not set in stone and in this case most of the community would agree is wrong.
08-31-2015, 02:17 PM
John98

To be honest, i would rather Nerf the p2k so we can rebuff it to better stats instead of it being based off Playerworlds stats
08-31-2015, 03:48 PM
Timothy Rodgers

Once again, we could also just delete the BAR.
08-31-2015, 03:51 PM
John98

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timothy Rodgers

Once again, we could also just delete the BAR.

Then we will face a new war, the flamethrower and Chemical Gun.
I 100% think we should delete both of those weapons with bar.
08-31-2015, 03:53 PM
Timothy Rodgers

Quote:

Originally Posted by John98

Then we will face a new war, the flamethrower and Chemical Gun.
I 100% think we should delete both of those weapons with bar.

Well, you can't purchase EC with your fathers credit card so I can't say I really agree with that but if it got rid of the BAR I guess that'd be cool.
08-31-2015, 03:56 PM
John98

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timothy Rodgers

Well, you can't purchase EC with your fathers credit card so I can't say I really agree with that but if it got rid of the BAR I guess that'd be cool.

Event coins are free.
Bar is paid with cash from real iTunes users like me.(Android)
we paid for gun stats.
not played event or waited for event coins to be handed to us free???

2 weeks of not playing events
https://gyazo.com/ac8c822529f448d83b03c5033d74a090

Well played Benjamin.
08-31-2015, 04:00 PM
Timothy Rodgers

Quote:

Originally Posted by John98

Event coins are free.
Bar is paid with cash from real iTunes users like me.(Android)
we paid for gun stats.
not played event or waited for event coins to be handed to us free???

2 weeks of not playing events
https://gyazo.com/ac8c822529f448d83b03c5033d74a090

Well played Benjamin.

Yes, but users are far more likely to give up on an EC goal than a gun goal.
08-31-2015, 04:05 PM
John98

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timothy Rodgers

Yes, but users are far more likely to give up on an EC goal than a gun goal.

"but users are far more likely to give up on an EC goal."
Free Ec's is life that's why(Jk not really)

"EC goal than a gun goal."
Spending money instead of working,
that's why i feel a bit lazy.

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