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So the FBI wants Apple to create a backdoor software to breach the auto data destruction feature after a number of failed pass code attempts, so they can look into the San Bernardino shooter's phone. Apple is against the FBI request. Who do you support in this situation and why?
I'm with Apple in this one.
I personally think it could be wrong.
Reading up on the San Bernardino case, I feel sympathy for those who were lost during the shooting, and the relatives that were affected by it. May their souls rest easy. On topic, regarding the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI)wanting to mess with a companies Operating System in order to have access to the shooters phone is something that invades privacy by a lot. Privacy should be respected. Think about it, this possible OS update can leave people's personal info at risk. We might as well just be removing privacy all the way. Not only does that leave people's electronic possessions at risk to hackers and cyber-criminals, but it can potentially put everyone's life in danger. Opening up personal information to the FBI is one thing. They (NSA) already have their noses in our privacy enough, but to think that the government actually wants to open the privacy gap even more truly baffles me.
What do I think? I think the FBI should not try and mess with people's privacy. There really is no guarantee that this can expose the shooter, at least not a 100% guarantee. Plus, think about it. Would you put tons of people's personal safety at risk to catch just one crook? I mean sure, this OS modification could catch future crooks, but what good will it do when tons of other cyber-criminals will jump on the bandwagon and expose people's personal info, bank info, private bureaucrat info, and even secret government documents. I know for a fact tons of government officials own an iPhone, and what will happen when THEIR safety is at risk?
Unlike real world crimes, cyber-criminals can easily cover up their tracks. We could be looking at a Cyber War here. Just thinking outside the box.
I'm sorry, but the Operating System modification should not happen. It's not worth the risk.
I am with Apple
Mikey, it's not a pushed software update, the FBI wants a software SPECIFICALLY for that phone, but Apple's concern is that the government might modify the software to gain access to other iPhone's (assuming they didn't already lol)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikey Zanereth
Im with apple definently
I have no idea what this is about so how do I vote for both?
To put it in short, government want apple to make a way to access iphones wothout having the password to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lotzy
Completely with apple. The whole point of having private information is that it's private
its a good thing i got android. still siding with apple though.
Im with FBI. Why? They fight for peace so choose one Death or Peace?
The NSA already knows everything so there's no such thing as privacy. The FBI can probably make that software themselves if they really wanted to.
The reason why FBI asked Apple first is above the clouds
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Originally Posted by Kieran2820
Apple
Well im with apple maybe hackers might hack the app and gain Information?
Damn, Kieran, that's so biased towards Apple.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kieran2820
To make it brief, the FBI wants unlimited access to phone calls and texting records of suspected terrorists to put us at a lesser risk and or prepare for these radical Islamic attacks before they occur again. As much as I hate the corrupt liberal government we have under Obama and pray that the government's power and influence stays minimal in our lives, national security is our security and it is a non-partisan issue. Apple sure as hell better cooperate with the FBI because, if they don't, they're only making it easier for another shooting or bombing to take place and empowering these terrorists.
FBI all the way on this one.
I mean it depends. If the FBI uses it to track people even if they didn't do anything then it's wrong but if they use it to solve a crime then it's okay. The FBI and CIA are theoretically tracking us right now. The government knows you more than you know yourself. So the situation depends to have a definite answer. The FBI can save your life by using this but they might discover something you wanted to keep private.
personally, its for a good cause, but theres no telling if this software could leak out. very high chance it could. its just not worth it. there are evil people in the fbi and dirty cops, so i would have to go with apple. this software will wreak havoc if its leaked. theres just too high of a chance it will happen.
Well...depends under what circumstances.They must have a log if they were to do that.
Apple
Looking at it now, yea you're right xD. I guess i just feel strongly about people being able to have their own privacy and to keep certain things to themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gino
Don't get me wrong, however. Privacy is an absolute natural right, but not a Constitutionally protected one. I agree with you 100% on that. I just feel that in cases of radical Islamic terrorist attacks, the suspected terrorists or actual terrorists should not be given these privacy rights since they are not human (in the sense that they are actual savages and monsters for performing attacks like these). And, for reference, the U.S. Constitution does not explicitly guarantee any "right to privacy", however laws have protected privacy. So, given that the Constitution is the supreme law of the land, it is fair to remove the privacy rights from terrorists (who really shouldn't have any rights).Quote:
Originally Posted by Kieran2820
Law enforcement already have a device called a cellebright UFED scanner with it they can make a complete backup/clone of the phone so they want to use the phone for future operations or possible lead them to other suspects in the terrorist attack that happened. What happened was a terrible event that cost the lives of a few people but that does not give the government the right to violate the constitution/bill of rights. It's a slippery slope once we allow any group to infringe on those rights for any reason we will not have that right for very long.
Privacy isn't protected by the Constitution, but your point is good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drdetroit
@gino it depends on how you want to look at the 4th amendment to the constitution and how the supreme court is viewing it at the time. It's just like the 2nd amendment it does not just limit the ownership to old black powder rifles and many rulings from the the high court have changed over the years and the same will apply to technology as it advances. I'm not going to argue case law with you as everyone here has the right to there own opinion.
My bad for the bump, but this article says that Bill Gates is backing the FBI on this as well.
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/2/3559f...#axzz410LNTHCL
What if theres not even anything on that phone?
They could've reset it before the bombing and then put it on the reset after ten attemps mode. That way the cops ask for a way to break it open, someone gets ahold of the system, then nobody is safe.
I'm on team Apple
The chances of there being nothing on that phone is very unlikely. Tim Cook should be arrested for failing to comply with the FBI. Data on that phone could possibly save a life or two. Who the hell knows?Quote:
Originally Posted by MrEpicGen
I'm afraid I'm with the FBI. I realize it puts people's personal info at risk but if there's a chance at shedding some more light onto this and possibly catching anyone that was plotting with the shooter, I'm all for it. I live in Southern California so hearing about a shooting like this makes me all the more concerned. I would personally but my security before my privacy.
Apple has just been given federal order to unlock atleast 13 device
FBI wins yes, what did you expect
What's fbi? And wha does it stands for
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Nvm lol
So your whilling to riskQuote:
Originally Posted by Timothy Rodgers
A bunch of hackers and cyber harrassment
Just to arrest 1-2 guys?
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And its not even a guarentee that you'll find anything on that phone
And there's no guarantee we won't, either. You tell me what's more important to you: a couple texts off of the phone of someone who engaged in a malicious demonstration of radical Islam, or the national security interests of the country.Quote:
Originally Posted by Froz
I'll just say one more thing and im leaving this threadQuote:
Originally Posted by Gino
To prevent a flame war
If it is made
There will be a lot of blackmail
How about keeping this thread on topic?
Look at your words. You just stood with Hillary, Ted, and Rubio in three separate posts. What the hell? Get your facts straight please.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unofficial Era News
Back on the topic of the thread.
apple for dayzz
For those of you who don't understand what the basis of this is all about. There was a shooting in San Bernardino. Coincidentally the individual had an iPhone. The government wants Apple to write a code that would essentially allow the government to tap into the person's phone and read through his messages and basically everything this person left on their phone. The government want to be able to do this because they want to find out the individual's motives behind the crime they committed. Apple has denied their request stating that their 1st and 5th amendment rights allow them to deny their request. Apple said the thing that they are most proud about in their product is their privacy. Without this whats to keep the customers coming back?
I side with Apple. Apple is like the leader. If they give in to the government then soon after all data collecting organizations, corporations etc will give in as well then every move we'll make, every call we make will be documented. #TeamApple
#TeamApple
Where's the: "I vote for Jesus" option?