Halloween harassment

Guess it's time to point out that the spamming of TOTers is technically breaking the rules and staff need to do something about it even if they agree or disagree with the rules.
Harassment - this includes bullying others, threatening, stalking, using abusive language, sexual advances, spamming private messages, hate speech, spamming long strings of characters in public chat or any other actions that disturbs another player's gameplay experience.
See that last part about disturbing another's gameplay? Yeah TOT have just as much (rights) as the PKers to enjoy the event.

What do you want the staff to do? Disable pking?

Not my place to say what staff should do but they need to do something other then clicking a harassment report about this and closing it. It's in the game rules that players can enjoy the game with out being harassed and the PKers are breaking a clearly written rule. Also no we're in the announcement did it say anything about pking someone that's playing the event so.
Personally I would warm anyone that got reported and was witnessed doing the harassment or make TOT locations that are safe.

They should disable pking in trick or treat areas, nubs just flood there for ez kills
Ps reporting them for griefing seems to work.. had a admin come a few times

It’s been like this every year. After a few days it dies down a bit. They aren’t going to punish someone for killing you. That’s just ridiculous, so of course they are going to close the reports.

PKing and experiencing being PK'd is part of the 'gameplay experience'. So i disagree that it classifies as harassment, unless vulgarities / insults / abusive language is involved.
It's an inconvenience and annoying, sure, but it's part of the game.

A griefer is a player in a multiplayer video game who deliberately irritates and angers other players within the game, using aspects of the game in unintended ways, although intended to pk, spawn killing/ spamming is not intended

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Originally Posted by Wilder94

A griefer is a player in a multiplayer video game who deliberately irritates and angers other players within the game, using aspects of the game in unintended ways, although intended to pk, spawn killing/ spamming is not intended

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Unlike in csgo they don't get kicked from the match after 2 friendly fires, honestly if you guys want to get rid of the pkers why don't you pk with them? Grab your minigun, chem, ac, bar, pbp, shipka or whatever OP gun you have and start hammering down the pkers and kill all the other people there. Pking is there for a reason why make a fuss about it when I know you guys pk too.

There's a fine line between "disturbing your gameplay" and annoying you. It's like when a PKer kills you, uses slow gas on you and proceeds to kill you another 10 times lol
It's a part of the game, whether you like it or not. "Disturbing my gameplay" seems to be the most thrown around rule.

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Originally Posted by Grantman20

What do you want the staff to do? Disable pking?

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Pretty sure that's what they did in those popular ToTing areas last year, lmao.

Surely it wouldn't hurt to disable pking in those door-filled areas.

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Originally Posted by Grantman20

Unlike in csgo they don't get kicked from the match after 2 friendly fires, honestly if you guys want to get rid of the pkers why don't you pk with them? Grab your minigun, chem, ac, bar, pbp, shipka or whatever OP gun you have and start hammering down the pkers and kill all the other people there. Pking is there for a reason why make a fuss about it when I know you guys pk too.

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Because we want to play the event.. which was made to be played not abused to raise kills

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Originally Posted by Zany

There's a fine line between "disturbing your gameplay" and annoying you. It's like when a PKer kills you, uses slow gas on you and proceeds to kill you another 10 times lol
It's a part of the game, whether you like it or not. "Disturbing my gameplay" seems to be the most thrown around rule.

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While annoying that is part of the intended gameplay
ToT was intended to be played as an event not as a group for pkers to raise kills

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Originally Posted by Wilder94

While annoying that is part of the intended gameplay
ToT was intended to be played as an event not as a group for pkers to raise kills

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Just because it was intended that way doesn't mean the players will use it just for that. And staff cannot warn people for pking, excessively or not. They're allowed to do it. Staff can't control every thing players do, which is ironic, because players argue that staff are too strict and warn over the smallest things, but at the same time they're lazy, but at the same time there's this.

Since some mod deleted my comment I'll post this picture, intended gameplay? I don't think so

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Originally Posted by Zany

Just because it was intended that way doesn't mean the players will use it just for that. And staff cannot warn people for pking, excessively or not. They're allowed to do it. Staff can't control every thing players do, which is ironic, because players argue that staff are too strict and warn over the smallest things, but at the same time they're lazy, but at the same time there's this.

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These people are exploitative indeed. Shame on them.



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Originally Posted by Wilder94

Since some mod deleted my comment I'll post this picture, intended gameplay? I don't think so

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You can kill him

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Originally Posted by Wilder94

Since some mod deleted my comment I'll post this picture, intended gameplay? I don't think so

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Picture looks fine to me, you can either kill him or run off to a different spot

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Originally Posted by Grantman20

Picture looks fine to me, you can either kill him or run off to a different spot

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The point is it's griefing the area was not made for that stop defending toxic behaviour

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Originally Posted by Kieran2820

It’s been like this every year. After a few days it dies down a bit. They aren’t going to punish someone for killing you. That’s just ridiculous, so of course they are going to close the reports.

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It has been like this for years because of the bias and personal beliefs of former high ranking staff that think they should only follow and enforce rules they agree with.
Its not just killing another player.
Closing a report without truely following up on it is not what staff should be doing.

As a matter of fact people's gameplay was affected by the repetitive and exploitative killing so admins ought to do something about it.

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Originally Posted by junz

PKing and experiencing being PK'd is part of the 'gameplay experience'. So i disagree that it classifies as harassment, unless vulgarities / insults / abusive language is involved.
It's an inconvenience and annoying, sure, but it's part of the game.

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It is not the staffs place to be bias or use there personal opinions about any report they answer. They are the games "police" and are there to enforce the rules for EVERYONE not just a certain type of player. Harassment is defined in the rules as i stated in the OP not by your mine or anyone elses personal opinions.

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Originally Posted by Grantman20

Unlike in csgo they don't get kicked from the match after 2 friendly fires, honestly if you guys want to get rid of the pkers why don't you pk with them? Grab your minigun, chem, ac, bar, pbp, shipka or whatever OP gun you have and start hammering down the pkers and kill all the other people there. Pking is there for a reason why make a fuss about it when I know you guys pk too.

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Its a special event for trick or treating and no different then someone posting over head chat in holiday maze causing players to fall and start over on purpose.

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Originally Posted by Zany

There's a fine line between "disturbing your gameplay" and annoying you. It's like when a PKer kills you, uses slow gas on you and proceeds to kill you another 10 times lol
It's a part of the game, whether you like it or not. "Disturbing my gameplay" seems to be the most thrown around rule.

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And the most ignored report by bias staff that just want to click through the reports. And for the comment about killing then gasing and killing again 10 times! How is that not harassment? Staff even employed measures so it would not benifit the player that is harassing (killing) the other player.

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Originally Posted by ItzTerry!

Pretty sure that's what they did in those popular ToTing areas last year, lmao.

Surely it wouldn't hurt to disable pking in those door-filled areas.

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They did and some players abused glitches to allow them to still kill and many got jailed over it. Kinda my point is to bring it to attention of the staff this year.

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Originally Posted by Zany

Just because it was intended that way doesn't mean the players will use it just for that. And staff cannot warn people for pking, excessively or not. They're allowed to do it. Staff can't control every thing players do, which is ironic, because players argue that staff are too strict and warn over the smallest things, but at the same time they're lazy, but at the same time there's this.

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You bring up something else that may be against the rules wich is glitching. If a event is intended to run a way and players and doing things that are not ment to be done then staff correct the issue and remove the abusing players by either sticking them back to start or warning them intill the issue is resolved.

They are not allowed to do it per the game rules heres a link
https://www.era-go.com/forum/showthr...and-Guidelines

As for the staff not being able to control everything that is true and what the report system is in place for. But if staff are not aware of the game rules and/or are bias about certain things in the game then they need to be trained again before they continue being staff.

We need to stop lying to ourselves and denying the very fact that some players feel threatened or harassed by it. Its all that matters, not what the admins think. I can insult someone and if he or she feels offended it's not okay because hurt is inflicted, and just because someone else say " that guy doesn't look hurt " doesn't mean he isn't.

People find it harassment and that's why they raised it up. It is not up to admins to say whether these players should feel harassed or not. Rather, it is the admins responsibility to alleviate this feeling of harassment by doing something about it. Don't shriek this responsibility in the name of your personal subjectivity on that matter.

I question the level of professionalism being displayed here. And I saw hardly any attempts made at helping anyone whomsoever affected by it except for the repetitive rebuttal and shrieking of responsibility. Should this be the way staff treat it's players?

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You cannot punish somebody for pking.

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Originally Posted by Drdetroit

Not my place to say what staff should do but they need to do something other then clicking a harassment report about this and closing it. It's in the game rules that players can enjoy the game with out being harassed and the PKers are breaking a clearly written rule. Also no we're in the announcement did it say anything about pking someone that's playing the event so.
Personally I would warm anyone that got reported and was witnessed doing the harassment or make TOT locations that are safe.

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There IS a safe place to TOT. The 3 story apartment house (idk what its called) It has no pk inside and alot of doors to knock on.


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Originally Posted by LYK08

We need to stop lying to ourselves and denying the very fact that some players feel threatened or harassed by it. Its all that matters, not what the admins think. I can insult someone and if he or she feels offended it's not okay because hurt is inflicted, and just because someone else say " that guy doesn't look hurt " doesn't mean he isn't.

People find it harassment and that's why they raised it up. It is not up to admins to say whether these players should feel harassed or not. Rather, it is the admins responsibility to alleviate this feeling of harassment by doing something about it. Don't shriek this responsibility in the name of your personal subjectivity on that matter.

I question the level of professionalism being displayed here. And I saw hardly any attempts made at helping anyone whomsoever affected by it except for the repetitive rebuttal and shrieking of responsibility. Should this be the way staff treat it's players?

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For the billionth time, they can't punish people for pking. We aren't deciding if people are hurt or not for them, but you gotta draw a line mate.

If we punished or banned every single person/thing that annoyed players, the game wouldn't really be the game anymore.

How about making such areas protected , where players can't Pk.

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Originally Posted by Drdetroit

It is not the staffs place to be bias or use there personal opinions about any report they answer. They are the games "police" and are there to enforce the rules for EVERYONE not just a certain type of player. Harassment is defined in the rules as i stated in the OP not by your mine or anyone elses personal opinions.

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Its a special event for trick or treating and no different then someone posting over head chat in holiday maze causing players to fall and start over on purpose.

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And the most ignored report by bias staff that just want to click through the reports. And for the comment about killing then gasing and killing again 10 times! How is that not harassment? Staff even employed measures so it would not benifit the player that is harassing (killing) the other player.

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They did and some players abused glitches to allow them to still kill and many got jailed over it. Kinda my point is to bring it to attention of the staff this year.

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You bring up something else that may be against the rules wich is glitching. If a event is intended to run a way and players and doing things that are not ment to be done then staff correct the issue and remove the abusing players by either sticking them back to start or warning them intill the issue is resolved.

They are not allowed to do it per the game rules heres a link
https://www.era-go.com/forum/showthr...and-Guidelines

As for the staff not being able to control everything that is true and what the report system is in place for. But if staff are not aware of the game rules and/or are bias about certain things in the game then they need to be trained again before they continue being staff.

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Glitching is using an accidental, technological, in-game mistake for personal gain. NOT using TOTing to pk. You keep suggesting staff don't do reports or follow them up, but they DO and HAVE TO, or their stats would show so and they'd be fired or warned. And by teaching, and considering it's the main part of the game, staff cannot warn or jail players for pking! How unfair would it be if one person would be warned for pking during Halloween and literally a month later, someone does the same thing to a few players and doesn't get punished? Same for the gas example. Gas is implemented in game for a reason.

It can annoy you or bother you all you want, but if every single thing that a player could consider "disturbing gameplay" was gotten rid of, we wouldn't have pking just for the car missioners, we would have assigned Speedy Pizza tables for "stealing", we'd have it so no one could ever take another players shells and the shells would build up on the map, we'd probably have no staff because they annoy and bother players too, no one would ever be jailed, scamming would be illegal, it goes on and on.

A proposition could be to have select TOTing areas turned non kill depending on where they are, but most definitely not what you're saying.

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Originally Posted by Zany

Glitching is using an accidental, technological, in-game mistake for personal gain. NOT using TOTing to pk. You keep suggesting staff don't do reports or follow them up, but they DO and HAVE TO, or their stats would show so and they'd be fired or warned. And by teaching, and considering it's the main part of the game, staff cannot warn or jail players for pking! How unfair would it be if one person would be warned for pking during Halloween and literally a month later, someone does the same thing to a few players and doesn't get punished? Same for the gas example. Gas is implemented in game for a reason.

It can annoy you or bother you all you want, but if every single thing that a player could consider "disturbing gameplay" was gotten rid of, we wouldn't have pking just for the car missioners, we would have assigned Speedy Pizza tables for "stealing", we'd have it so no one could ever take another players shells and the shells would build up on the map, we'd probably have no staff because they annoy and bother players too, no one would ever be jailed, scamming would be illegal, it goes on and on.

A proposition could be to have select TOTing areas turned non kill depending on where they are, but most definitely not what you're saying.

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My main problem with the pkers in tot is they use the door areas as cover so they can spam overpowered guns on noobs and people trying to play the event.

Was the event designed to make mass killing areas for pkers with mini etc? I certainly hope not..

Edit : the pizza tables were extended to help alleviate that problem, gas is made for pking nobody is arguing that fact, there's a big difference between using the areas as a easy boost which is wasn't intented for (greifing) and annoying people.

Boosting player kills - killing other players, or your alternate accounts continually to gain kills unfairly.

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Originally Posted by Zany

Glitching is using an accidental, technological, in-game mistake for personal gain. NOT using TOTing to pk. You keep suggesting staff don't do reports or follow them up, but they DO and HAVE TO, or their stats would show so and they'd be fired or warned. And by teaching, and considering it's the main part of the game, staff cannot warn or jail players for pking! How unfair would it be if one person would be warned for pking during Halloween and literally a month later, someone does the same thing to a few players and doesn't get punished? Same for the gas example. Gas is implemented in game for a reason.

It can annoy you or bother you all you want, but if every single thing that a player could consider "disturbing gameplay" was gotten rid of, we wouldn't have pking just for the car missioners, we would have assigned Speedy Pizza tables for "stealing", we'd have it so no one could ever take another players shells and the shells would build up on the map, we'd probably have no staff because they annoy and bother players too, no one would ever be jailed, scamming would be illegal, it goes on and on.

A proposition could be to have select TOTing areas turned non kill depending on where they are, but most definitely not what you're saying.

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I can see you enjoy talking and stating your opion but the fact of the matter is the game rules state that what these players are doing is in FACT AGAINST THE RULES weather you want to admit it or not. Player relations duty is not to use there own opions of things when answering a report but rather read the report and follow the game rules to resolve the issue at hand with out bias. As for this staff stat thing its just a log you and myself as former staff know that that log really never gets looked at unless something is brought up to the higher level staff then they can review the logs and they should be on this matter if PR have the view on this matter like yourself and the present PR that commented on this thread.
As for your comments about car missions/pizza tables/shells there are ways to correct those issues also or the issue is irrelevant. Something should be done about the car job pking, once a pizza is crafted that job is complete,and shells dont just stay on the map they have a lifespan. And it goes on and on....

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Originally Posted by KvNEraa

How about making such areas protected , where players can't Pk.

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Thats kinda what they did the last couple years

Ok PKing is illegal now

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Originally Posted by imaginary

Ok PKing is illegal now

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Its not that simple sadly.
The event is broken as it stands now and discussed this on rc and telephone conversations with some of the old top staff. If pking was part of it then it would of been in the announcement. The game is for everyone to enjoy weather that being pking,baseing,hanging out at astros or start,doing jobs,etc......

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Originally Posted by Zany

For the billionth time, they can't punish people for pking. We aren't deciding if people are hurt or not for them, but you gotta draw a line mate.

If we punished or banned every single person/thing that annoyed players, the game wouldn't really be the game anymore.

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You need not repeat what you've said. The areas can me made protected as has been done before whenever a new shop comes out usually. So I question as to why they cant do the same for tot areas.

You can't punish people for pking and I wasnt asking you to. But at least do something to help those who were affected by implementing protected zones in these areas. Is it that difficult?

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I think it's fine the way it is, many events in game have been like this where PKers are disturbing you but it's now pretty much part of the game. Of course I would love if there were no pkers while I'm doing ToT, who wouldn't? But that doesn't mean everything with which ppl find difficulty should be removed from game.

You do know there are safe zones for ToT like the crowded one in South ridge. The thing is that this sets the difficulty of the event perfectly, if you can't face PKers then goto a safe zone and knock there but the only downside to this is that the safe spot will be very crowded and your speed of getting knocks might be slower. But if you want knocks faster in a considerably less crowded spot then go and knock in a PK zone and see if you can avoid or survive the PKers.

And by the way,
You can always kill those pkers, you can "harass" them the same way if you are capable.

I have no problem with disabling pking for the Halloween spots but I feel like this thread is getting over exaggerated a bit

Trying to Trick or Treat but getting killed by PKERS?

Here are some tips to help bring those PKERS to justice!

1- Make sure you’re wearing a gas mask if trick or treating outside.
2- There are a few places that you can trick or treat inside, like the apartment building next to tachi trade tables. It might be a little crowded, but there is always a door for someone! You never really have to wait.
3- Try and find a new area, someone is pking by yours? Oh, just walk away. I’m pretty sure some areas don’t have PKERS.
4- Fight back! (LOL) this might seem a little extreme, but hey... if you kill them you will feel powerful for awhile.

All-in-all, nothing can really be done about this.
Yes it’s annoying, yes it can make people upset... but it’s all in good fun.
:) stay safe out there guys!

Thread closed. Answer given. (safe places to ToT without being PK'd).