What is the possibility of changing the spar tourney event to a mpx style? It would make it more fair and require more skill to win. I think it would be a lot more fun to know that I lost because of a lack of skill not because they spammed more.
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What is the possibility of changing the spar tourney event to a mpx style? It would make it more fair and require more skill to win. I think it would be a lot more fun to know that I lost because of a lack of skill not because they spammed more.
No thanks
You have GST
And you have crypt, but that's not my point
Spar and MPX are 2 different things. The purpose of multiplex was that there was 1 building where people that wanted skill based play could go to. It was never meant to spread to all parts of era.
I kind of agree with that .Quote:
Originally Posted by Zernov
But looking at it with a different angle , spazz has a point as well. It’s quite unfair that players with op guns are the ones who always get to win .. That’s a thing u never see at mpx , cause there’s only one gun to use, sparring should be all about skills , not how many itunes cards u purchase or how good at events your are..
Nah it’s fair since we paid a lot for our guns and it’s not true. You could still win with an m4 if you’re good enough
As if we all own an m4?Quote:
Originally Posted by imaginary
It’s fair for your , not for others..
M4 or any other gun lol.
If u don’t like it simply leave
Leave what ? Have you even read his threadQuote:
Originally Posted by imaginary
Leave the event ?
He has given out a good suggestion, sparring in general should be skill-based.Quote:
Originally Posted by imaginary
Besides ,what if he plays era to do events , he should just “leave the event” because he doesn’t have a good gun that enables him to compete with others ?
Why do you think it's called a skill event? It's supposed to test your skills. It's not supposed to be easier for everyone. The guns that people have whether it be a reward gun or auction gun, are guns that people earned. They got the guns, so they can use them. It's not our fault that all of Era isn't good at sparring. Mpx is a real joke to me tbh because it's not skill based. It's free wins to the point where it's almost as if you were boosting. My point is, making spar tourney mpx is just no. Also when imaginary said you guys have GST, and you responded "and you guys have crypt". That's a terrible comparison. Crypt doesn't even relate to spar. GST is gang spar tournament. Is it Crypt Spar Tournament? No, I don't think so. Spar tourney as mpx would be ruining the event. Because some sparrers that are good aren't that good at mpx. Then what if the good mpx sparrers that aren't good at complex go to spar tourney? They would have an advantage over the complex sparrers. So no this won't happen. At least I hope it doesn't.
I had a good laugh reading this , so mpx is a joke because everyone gets to use the same gun? Here’s the thing , “good” complex sparer who aren’t “good”at mpx aren’t actually “good” =D It’s simple. I’ve never heard of a “good” mpx sparer who has “good” sparring guns and isn’t” good”at complex , why? Because mpx tests your skills , if you’re not “good” at it then overall you’re not a “good”sparer.Quote:
Originally Posted by JungleJimmy
“Skills”
Boy you’re only moving ur thumbs
Your replies are carcinogenicQuote:
Originally Posted by imaginary
So are your posts on discord and ur msgs ingameQuote:
Originally Posted by KvNEraa
I dont have a discord though and idk what your IGN is so I havent pmed you before.Quote:
Originally Posted by imaginary
lol! SureQuote:
Originally Posted by KvNEraa
I’m serious.Quote:
Originally Posted by imaginary
I had a good laugh at reading this because you make no sense. You see, I never said mpx is a joke because everyone uses the same gun. I said mpx is a joke because Anero claims that it is skill based, and it doesn't even require skill. And your claim that a "good", which you said 500 times, complex sparrer isn't good because they aren't that good at mpx is completely false. If you read the post, I said mpx is a joke to me, which is basically saying it's my opinion based on my experience with it. Not everyone is very skilled at mpx because it isn't the same as complex, but that doesn't make them a bad sparrer. To me, mpx is 100x easier than complex spar. It might not be the same for every sparrer, but that doesn't make a complex sparrer bad. First off, I suppose you aren't even a sparrer. So you can't make a claim without experience or evidence. I've been sparring for 4 years now, and I have more than enough evidence to prove that the mpx is a joke. You never have heard of a good mpx sparrer who has good sparring guns and isn't good at the complex because the mpx has one gun. Mpx doesn't test your skills. Complex tests your skills. You know why? Because people can use any gun whether it be an M4a3, Bar, Vector, etc. And some people only have guns like an M4. That's a real test of skill because you need to surpass the people with the extremely good guns. Mpx=no skill required. It's a joke. Complete joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by KvNEraa
Are you sure I'm the one who makes no sense ? Ok where should I start from , Oh .Quote:
Originally Posted by JungleJimmy
"Mpx is a joke cause anero claims its skill-based" that's a really good reason , I'm actually convinced.
"Mpx is 100x easier" By easier you mean you get more wins easily ? If so then yeah that's true . That's why the average Mpx spar lasts longer than a complex spar.
"First off, I suppose you aren't even a sparrer. So you can't make a claim without experience or evidence" I am actually a sparrer , the more you know ha.
" You never have heard of a good mpx sparrer who has good sparring guns and isn't good at the complex because the mpx has one gun." So that made absolutely no sense but I'll give you an example. You've got Zody , a great complex sparrer and even a greater MPX sparrer , why ? Because he can dodge bullets , whether it is mpx bullets or any other gun's bullets.
"Mpx doesn't test your skills. Complex tests your skills. You know why? Because people can use any gun whether it be an M4a3, Bar, Vector, etc" Ugh , Lemme give u another example and hopefully you'll understand. Player A and Player B , they're having a debate on which of them is better at spar . So they decide to series , Player A has an M4 and Player B was using a chem , obviously Player B won . So a group of people watching decided that this was an un-fair series , so they had another series , but this time they were both using an M4 . Player A won this time , why ? He's "MORE SKILLED"
"You need to surpass the people with the extremely good guns. Mpx=no skill required. It's a joke. Complete joke." So you're currently claiming that MPX is a joke because they dont have varieties of guns to use while sparring to insure a fair spar ?
You left out a lot of things to make me look dumb, eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by KvNEraa
"Mpx is a joke because Anero claims it's skill based." Oh you forgot to add when it doesn't require skill.
Mpx requires 0 skill. All you need to do is get the hang of it for 4 hours and you pretty much are good at it already. If you're a sparrer why don't you go hang out there for a few hours and I'm sure you'll agree.
Mpx is 100x easier.
Yes it is. Idk how anyone can disagree with that.
I said you most likely aren't a sparrer. Ok apparently you are. Obviously you don't have skill because any experienced complex sparrer whether they are good at mpx or not will know that it is so much easier than complex spar. It's just there are so many noobs there, that even a complex sparrer that doesn't have experience in the mpx can win. The only debate you can make about mpx spar needing skill is people that don't even spar and have like 50 hours. But that doesn't count because any new player can't spar well.
You've got Zody , a great complex sparrer and even a greater MPX sparrer , why ? Because he can dodge bullets , whether it is mpx bullets or any other gun's bullets. EXACTLY. A great complex sparrer and even greater Mpx sparrer because he can dodge bullets. He's so much greater in mpx because mpx is so easy to dodge bullets! No wonder why he's better at mpx!
Player A has an M4 and Player B was using a chem , obviously Player B won . So a group of people watching decided that this was an un-fair series , so they had another series , but this time they were both using an M4 . Player A won this time , why ? He's "MORE SKILLED"
Ok first off, I have never seen a series with a chem, and there has never been a series with a chem, so that just makes this look like a dumb example. They do another series with the M4, so yes he's more skilled. Let's go back to when you said if you are good at complex and bad at mpx you aren't a good sparrer overall. The winner of the series goes to the mpx and does a series. He loses, so now he's not skilled anymore? Think about that.
So you're currently claiming that MPX is a joke because they dont have varieties of guns to use while sparring to insure a fair spar ?
Smh. No that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying the Mpx is a single gun, and people are sparring as mpx gun vs. mpx gun. They both are the same thing, and easy to dodge and win with. Now in the Complex, it's not always mpx vs. mpx. It can be M4 vs. M4a3. The M4 person needs to have more skill in order to beat the M4a3 person. That really tests how good the M4 user is. It doesn't make the M4a3 sparrer a bad sparrer. Just think about it like this. In mpx, its the same guns. So whoever wins just wins with not much of an advantage. You see in Complex, like I said, has a variety of guns that can be harder to beat, which requires more skill. Mpx gun vs Mpx gun is equally the same. There's not much of an advantage. Oh, wait there is an advantage. The good complex sparrers that spar in mpx. If you understand spar, dodging, timing, shooting, etc. in the complex, and you are good at it, the mpx is a breeze. You don't need to be good in mpx if you understand complex spar because there is no such thing as a "good mpx sparrer". More than half the Mpx sparrers came from the Complex, and all of them are good at it. Mpx= no skill required.
I dont have time to write another paragraph so i’ll just cut a long story-short .
-No I didn’t leave out staff to make you look dumb
-If mpx is easier then why you did u say that complex sparers face some difficulties while mpx sparring
- I have a combined 500 spars on complex and over 7K on mpx , and those 500 spars are from 2013-2014
- The chem story was an example, and by comparing a chem to m4, I’m basically comparing an Op gun to a normal gun , but in a simpler way that any graalian can understand .
-If both Player A and Player B mpx sparred , Player A will still win , cause he’s “MORE SKILLED”
So i guess this is a crossed pathway , You wont convince me and apparently you’re not convinced either so there is no point of continuing this debate.
[QUOTE=KvNEraa;455279]I dont have time to write another paragraph so i’ll just cut a long story-short .
-No I didn’t leave out staff to make you look dumb
-If mpx is easier then why you did u say that complex sparers face some difficulties while mpx sparring
Face some difficulties? Lol. I easily adapted into the mpx gun when I was practicing for GST. it's literally a mp9/souzin/bag replica with the right stats input. And I'm pretty sure any complex sparrer could adapt aswell, imo a m4 vs m4 requires much more skill then a mpx vs mpx.
[QUOTE=MrOmz;455280]That’s what I’ve been saying for the past couple of hours.Quote:
Originally Posted by KvNEraa
It appeals to the younger generation more, due to the fact that it is "easier" as you say.
[QUOTE=MrOmz;455280]I'm not saying they're facing difficulties. I'm saying that mpx is so easy that even complex sparrers that don't do mpx are good at it.Quote:
Originally Posted by KvNEraa
Also M4 vs M4. Point proven. Mpx vs. Mpx doesn't need skill like complex. Mpx=No skill required.
Wow this thread went crazy. First of all let me define skill. Skill is being better than somebody else under the same conditions on an even playing field. For instance, if 2 people spar with 2 starter pistols and player A wins 4 out of 5 times, I guarantee you player A has more skill. I also don't understand what you mean by saying "mpx is easier" obviously you haven't sparred anyone good yet, but when you do im sure your mindset will change. When two people spar in mpx with the exact same gun the person with greater skill will win, I don't understand how you can try to argue that it's a fact of life. I'm also not saying Events as a whole be changed to a mpx style, because obviously events like ts and ctf have multiple agendas going on besides just 1v1 combat. However, if spar tourney was changed to a mpx format, the greater skilled individuals would win plain and simple. I don't care what you say about mpx this and complex that, you can't argue the fact that the greater skilled people would win spar tourney. And seeing how spar tourney is in the skill door and how events as a whole revolve around skill, maybe my idea isnt so far fetched after all.
My record is 1k-300 and I beat people with 5k-10k+ wins. It's quite sad to see how easy most of them can be. I've only faced a few people in mpx that are actually good. Most of them being complex sparrers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spazz
No. Keep it the way it already is. What's the point if owning other guns is everything is changed to MPX?
Well if you beat someone in mpx then you have more skill than them. Wins don't matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by JungleJimmy
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I'm not saying change everything, I'm saying change spar tourney in events so the more skilled individuals win just like it should be.Quote:
Originally Posted by VertuCA
Spent hours arguing over this point , and I still dont know what he’s trying to prove..Quote:
Originally Posted by Spazz
Ikr! I wish it were like that instead.
Well guys imo Multiplex and Complex are two different things as somebody said in the first page and if you like to play fair games go to mpx, if you want to spar with your M4 then go complex. I dunno I don't agree with this but I'm just a random player.