Green Gas nerf

Now I've been guilty of using this "method" of streaking myself on occasion, and honestly it's a rather... well... enjoyable thing to take advantage of, but it is incredibly unfair to the victim-- thus brings me to my current issue.

Lately, I've seen more and more people abuse a certain method of PKing.

1. Kill player, preferably with a PBP Shotgun or Chemical Gun (the latter being capable of hurting players even when resurrecting)
2. Place down a green gas on their dead body to disallow them from escaping.
3. Kill them again, while they're gassed, slow, and struggling to fight back.
4. Repeat until you have reached the limit that you can get from killing one person.
5. Move on, rinse and repeat.

My recommended course of action, and reasoning:
(I'm no scripter, mind; so excuse me if I sound naive here) Script the green gas in such a way, that it does not affect those who are already dead. This gives those who fall victim to this "tactic" a bit more ground to stand on in terms of fighting back/time to rapidly equip a gasmask themselves if they own one; and generally giving newbies the possible chance to run off unscathed if the PvPer is a little too slow/quick on the gas.

My reasoning? For the simple fact, well, facts, that it's distasteful for new players to experience such a horrible trap that they simply cannot escape from, nor even know how to. They can dodge bullets sure, an old concept! Easy to learn! -- but what's this green stuff around them and why is this person able to kill them so quickly without them being able to fight back!1 and that truthfully is one of the reasons I don't see PvP continuing to be an enjoyable experience whatsoever if this is what it degrades to. Yes I do understand that advantages in both weaponry and tools should be utilized to give yourself an edge in PvP.. but abusing tactics is a different story. Additional reasoning being that truly, as stated before, there's a difference between utilizing, and abusing; very fine line and something I don't think should be around as a legitimate tactic.

Feel free to give your own thoughts, and please keep it civil. I realise this post may make some who enjoy this PK method upset, and that isn't my intention, but all the same my personal belief is that a change is in order to prevent this underlying PvP issue from getting any more prominent than it already is.

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I agreeeeeeee

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Originally Posted by Zayzay

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Jaake isn't the one who's having this issue. I can see how this is a problem, as gas shouldn't affect someone that's already dead. Even if you could potentially unstick, you'd have to wait several moments before you can unstick, and by that time you'd already be dead multiple times.

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Originally Posted by Zayzay

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I'm fully capable of equipping a gasmask, pulling out my shotgun and killing them before they kill me. This isn't a post for my sake, friend.

I suppose you're against it though, list your reasonings; perhaps shed some light as to why you disagree.

This reminds me of this thing someone was doing. As someone was reviving from being killed, a guy started using a minigun on him and it killed them again before they could do anything. I think a moment of invincibilty from dying should be added, or increased if there already is one.

This is kind of the point of green gas IMO.

Or how about, a player is given immunity and cannot be affected by gas for five seconds upon revival. This way, the victim had time to run.

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Originally Posted by Dolloway

This is kind of the point of green gas IMO.

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The point of green gas is to abuse it for milking easy kills? What's the point? Explain.

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Originally Posted by AliGamer911

Or how about, a player is given immunity and cannot be affected by gas for five seconds upon revival. This way, the victim had time to run.

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'ey as I said, feel free to chip in with your own thoughts-- that isn't a bad idea either, but I think 5 seconds is a little generous, as you can go a long distance in 5 seconds; perhaps 2-3 seconds.

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Originally Posted by Jaake

'ey as I said, feel free to chip in with your own thoughts-- that isn't a bad idea either, but I think 5 seconds is a little generous, as you can go a long distance in 5 seconds; perhaps 2-3 seconds.

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But the PKer can also chase you in those five seconds

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Originally Posted by AliGamer911

But the PKer can also chase you in those five seconds

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And so can you run into a building and/or fight back if able, too :P

Yeah this is actually a great idea. It would be great to have time to get away from the green gas.

I feel like the red gas needs a buff because for me it seems uneffective

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Yeah this is actually a great idea. It would be great to have time to get away from the green gas.

I feel like the red gas needs a buff because for me it seems ineffective

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Originally Posted by JYGSHELBY

This reminds me of this thing someone was doing. As someone was reviving from being killed, a guy started using a minigun on him and it killed them again before they could do anything. I think a moment of invincibilty from dying should be added, or increased if there already is one.

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Agreed not only would it free the victim from that awful Insta kill (42dmg by the time you can move) But they would be able to escape or exact revenge by pulling out a bigger gun

Buy a gasmask. So simple.

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That’s not a reasonable suggestion.


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Originally Posted by imaginary

Buy a gasmask. So simple.

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True, but even if the player owns a gasmask (and the majority of the time, the PKers target those without gasmasks for this method), the moment they're unknowingly killed and gassed-- they're in the trap. Donning the gasmask after they've been killed won't help as not everybody enjoys wearing gasmasks on every single character sadly; so in all honesty, no, it isn't so simple. Hence why I've suggested what I did-- a period of which it's possible to put on the gasmask, a split second where you can act so the next time you resurrect, you'll be ready.

The meta shouldn't need to be wearing a gasmask 24/7.

There’s a reason there are gas masks in this game. Green gas is the only effective gas in my opinion and the main reason why people invest in buying a gas mask. When you get up you’re technically standing in the gas therefore it affects you. Anyone can easily run into a building or a safe zone no matter what gun they are being spammed with. Pk zones are meant to have a dangerous appeal to them and when you’re walking through there it’s pretty much expected you will end up in a bad position which gets people to wear gas masks.

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Originally Posted by Zernov

There’s a reason there are gas masks in this game. Green gas is the only effective gas in my opinion and the main reason why people invest in buying a gas mask. When you get up you’re technically standing in the gas therefore it affects you. Anyone can easily run into a building or a safe zone no matter what gun they are being spammed with. Pk zones are meant to have a dangerous appeal to them and when you’re walking through there it’s pretty much expected you will end up in a bad position which gets people to wear gas masks.

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I agree. Though not every gas mask tells you if it protects against gas or not...

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Originally Posted by Jaake

And so can you run into a building and/or fight back if able, too :P

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New players will benefit from it

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Originally Posted by Zernov

There’s a reason there are gas masks in this game. Green gas is the only effective gas in my opinion and the main reason why people invest in buying a gas mask. When you get up you’re technically standing in the gas therefore it affects you. Anyone can easily run into a building or a safe zone no matter what gun they are being spammed with. Pk zones are meant to have a dangerous appeal to them and when you’re walking through there it’s pretty much expected you will end up in a bad position which gets people to wear gas masks.

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I disagree, and I believe you are wrong on one point. I've tested it, and experienced over the years-- green gas affects you while you're dead, not while you're getting up. I know this for fact as when you are without a revive potion and your dead body is gassed, you will respawn in the hospital slow as if gassed.

Using gas in PvP isn't the issue itself, never stated that; it's the abuse of function that the issue stems from. As stated before in my first few posts, anybody can don a gasmask to prevent themselves from being slowed; but when you're simply moving from one location to another as a good many players do, no intent to PK and simply play the game for the other functions that it offers, only to be caught in a trap you're too slow to escape from and being constantly killed time and time again? There's little to no chance if you aren't an experienced player to get a single upper hand with that. And on top of things, you say easily run, meanwhile admit that green gas is effective. Green gas prevents players from running-- little contradictive on that note.

Some people may think gas masks look good enough to wear on every single one of their outfits for every waking second of the game, but that's not everybody. PK zones are the separation barriers between safe zones; zones of which players frequently want to hop between. They shouldn't need to equip a hat every time they want to explore the map.

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Originally Posted by AliGamer911

New players will benefit from it

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True, but this isn't an issue that'll only affect the new players sadly; bigger picture.

5 seconds may be good for the new players, but for the experienced who already KNOW how to avoid gas etc. etc., it'll render the gas useless. Need to find a middleground and balance.

I completely agree with your above point. I really do think that green gas should be nerfed. As of now, it's almost exclusively used to get cheap kills.

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Originally Posted by Jaake

I disagree, and I believe you are wrong on one point. I've tested it, and experienced over the years-- green gas affects you while you're dead, not while you're getting up. I know this for fact as when you are without a revive potion and your dead body is gassed, you will respawn in the hospital slow as if gassed.

Using gas in PvP isn't the issue itself, never stated that; it's the abuse of function that the issue stems from. As stated before in my first few posts, anybody can don a gasmask to prevent themselves from being slowed; but when you're simply moving from one location to another as a good many players do, no intent to PK and simply play the game for the other functions that it offers, only to be caught in a trap you're too slow to escape from and being constantly killed time and time again? There's little to no chance if you aren't an experienced player to get a single upper hand with that. And on top of things, you say easily run, meanwhile admit that green gas is effective. Green gas prevents players from running-- little contradictive on that note.

Some people may think gas masks look good enough to wear on every single one of their outfits for every waking second of the game, but that's not everybody. PK zones are the separation barriers between safe zones; zones of which players frequently want to hop between. They shouldn't need to equip a hat every time they want to explore the map.

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True, but this isn't an issue that'll only affect the new players sadly; bigger picture.

5 seconds may be good for the new players, but for the experienced who already KNOW how to avoid gas etc. etc., it'll render the gas useless. Need to find a middleground and balance.

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Valid point.
So here's a new proposal:

Upon revive (if the player has auto-revive) the player is granted two things:

• Immunity from bullet damage for 3 seconds

• Immunity from gas for 5 seconds

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The reason why the revived player gets 5 seconds of immunity and not 3 because newer players tend to suffer from gas-related death more than experienced players. And since new players do not really understand the game's mechanics, they can use all the time they can get

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Originally Posted by AliGamer911

Valid point.
So here's a new proposal:

Upon revive (if the player has auto-revive) the player is granted two things:

• Immunity from bullet damage for 3 seconds

• Immunity from gas for 5 seconds

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The reason why the revived player gets 5 seconds of immunity and not 3 because newer players tend to suffer from gas-related death more than experienced players. And since new players do not really understand the game's mechanics, they can use all the time they can get

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Apologies for being dead-- this could be a solution true... but it all depends on the end decision of Bitzsam. Most we can do is brainstorm.

It may look good on paper, but how will it play out in action? It's not always easy to tell.

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Apologies for being dead-- this could be a solution true... but it all depends on the end decision of Bitzsam. Most we can do is brainstorm.

It may look good on paper, but how will it play out in action? It's not always easy to tell.

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Worst case scenario is that people who bought gas masks might be a little mad for a couple of weeks, but after that, we're good to go.

There's nothing wrong with green gas, simply buy a gas mask.

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Originally Posted by Casshern Sins

There's nothing wrong with green gas, simply buy a gas mask.

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Already shut down/responded in detail to an identical small post like this before. Please read the entire thread, I'm not going to repeat old debates.

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Originally Posted by AliGamer911

Worst case scenario is that people who bought gas masks might be a little mad for a couple of weeks, but after that, we're good to go.

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Players are mad no matter what change occurs in iEra, it's always been a fad. Humans, specially those in iEra, despise change by nature. Going to try get Bitzsam to see this thread himself, see what he thinks about it; the thread has more than enough information and comments to make a decision as it is.

I agree with this, green gas has lost its original value with the addition of gas masks and therefore should be treated as such. It's now commonly used as an 'abuse' tool to players without gas masks, which discourages them.

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Originally Posted by Jaake

I disagree, and I believe you are wrong on one point. I've tested it, and experienced over the years-- green gas affects you while you're dead, not while you're getting up. I know this for fact as when you are without a revive potion and your dead body is gassed, you will respawn in the hospital slow as if gassed.

Using gas in PvP isn't the issue itself, never stated that; it's the abuse of function that the issue stems from. As stated before in my first few posts, anybody can don a gasmask to prevent themselves from being slowed; but when you're simply moving from one location to another as a good many players do, no intent to PK and simply play the game for the other functions that it offers, only to be caught in a trap you're too slow to escape from and being constantly killed time and time again? There's little to no chance if you aren't an experienced player to get a single upper hand with that. And on top of things, you say easily run, meanwhile admit that green gas is effective. Green gas prevents players from running-- little contradictive on that note.

Some people may think gas masks look good enough to wear on every single one of their outfits for every waking second of the game, but that's not everybody. PK zones are the separation barriers between safe zones; zones of which players frequently want to hop between. They shouldn't need to equip a hat every time they want to explore the map.

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True, but this isn't an issue that'll only affect the new players sadly; bigger picture.

5 seconds may be good for the new players, but for the experienced who already KNOW how to avoid gas etc. etc., it'll render the gas useless. Need to find a middleground and balance.

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Idk why you're making it such a big deal. First off, if a player enters a pk zone to travel, expect to have pkers and any items meant for killing. So it's the players fault if they didn't equip their gas mask before hand. Second off, the effect of the gas isn't even that bad. Sure, you'll die a few times if the pker has a pbp shotgun, but that's at its worse. The map has had so many non-pk areas added throughout the years that players can literally just take a few moments to find a non-pk area. And so what if you die and end up in the hospital and is still slow. The effect only last a few moments and will certainly wear off by the time the player finishes healing in the beds. And again, this can all be avoided if you wore a gas mask.

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Originally Posted by Casshern Sins

Idk why you're making it such a big deal. First off, if a player enters a pk zone to travel, expect to have pkers and any items meant for killing. So it's the players fault if they didn't equip their gas mask before hand. Second off, the effect of the gas isn't even that bad. Sure, you'll die a few times if the pker has a pbp shotgun, but that's at its worse. The map has had so many non-pk areas added throughout the years that players can literally just take a few moments to find a non-pk area. And so what if you die and end up in the hospital and is still slow. The effect only last a few moments and will certainly wear off by the time the player finishes healing in the beds. And again, this can all be avoided if you wore a gas mask.

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You frogot to mention they can repeatedly gas you, thus gaining something closer to 20 kills if they wished. And im sure if you play graal, youd be caught at times without a gas mask, simply because there was a better hat youd wish to wear. Your point agrees with "yea its not too bad if you dont revive" but what if you do? Well its completely up to the pker how many times you get killed. the only way to stop would be to log, or unstick me. Im sure 80% of graal players dont or cant log, and unstick me only works if your staying in one spot. Though for your other points i agree