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Ok this new gun shop guns are sweet. But a LITTTLEE pricy. By a little I mean a lot. The cheapest gun is what 40k? Lot of people can't afford that. Not even worth it either it's like 7 damage I think idk have t looked into it a lot. All I know is the guns are really expensive, I think the prices should be lowered a bit. Comment what you think.
I don't find them too expensive.
They seem right for their price, at least not over 100k of any of the guns.
I'd admit that most of the guns are not worth those prices.
They are all hoverpriced. I noticed the gun prices are going higher and higher(hence the nerfing of jobs) at least increase the gralat packs.
*cough* *cough*
I kinda agree like when the ghost m4 came put 187k? Dayumnnn
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Originally Posted by Banshee
The gun shop looks cool yet I don't know which to buy
Yea, a bit over priced. To be honest, your best bet is the PDW or the Fal
Don't buy any? All overpriced and you can get guns that are better for 50k less. A handgun for 50k? The damn thing has a 11k(total) counterpart that pretty much has better stats, and is dual wielded.Quote:
Originally Posted by OreOs
Well, 44 magnum isn't very pricy. Possibly even a little on the cheap side. Pretty nice gun for 10k.
Post-changing edit: oops.... Missed a 0....
I wouldnt recomenned buying anything from there
All the stats and prices have been balanced similarly to guns around their prices. Pdw sd is like the ab8 but with a much smaller clip and a freeze rate similar to the mp7, fal has the same freeze rate as the sten but with a higher firerate, lower clip and slightly longer reload, magnum has high damage, and is similar to the luger but with a bit more freeze and a longer reload. Etc
The stats will be posted soon
The only promising-ish looking gun in the place is the SVD. Is it any good?
I remember when the M4 was under 10k...That's why I had it on my old account.
Guns are WAY to expensive! The starter pistol doesn't do much good for a new player now a days. They have to spend their first 100+ hrs farming sellables or PAY REAL $ to get started.
Well i'd describe this shop as a mid-high range shop. Maccus was low-medium, g187 was mostly high range with a few cheap ones and then there was this one in between. Next shop will probably have cheaper guns. To those saying they're overpriced they're not. As i said they're priced based not only on their stats but also based on similar guns around its price.
I'd have loved to make these guns cheaper but because of the way previous guns have been priced they need to be similar so that guns dont start becoming better or worse than they're worth
I like the attempt at consistency, but I don't agree with some of it. 50k for that one handgun? As I said earlier, you'd be better off getting the dual wielding pistols that end up at 11k and together pretty much have better stats.Quote:
Originally Posted by BiTzSam
Consistency is good, but it actually needs to be consistent. Half of those guns have too much freeze for their price. I'd say freeze plays a big part in things.
Sparers always talk about the importance of being able to dodge. The way they talk about it, dodging is everything. The way I think about it, even if you do 2 damage a shot, your enemy will go down first if they can't hit you. Even if you do 11 damage, that means nothing if you can hardly ever get the gun to hit and take several bullets every attempt. A sniper rifle in real life has the closest to perfect accuracy of any gun type. It also gives some of the hardest kick. To the point that most average men would be knocked on their *** just trying to shoot the thing. That's what you are trying to simulate with the sniper rifles you're selling. The only issue is that you cannot recreate the situation a sniper is so perfectly matched with. The range, the fluidity, the cleanliness, you cannot get that in a CQC situation such as graal. How does CoD do it then? The gun is adapted to match CQC. It's more portable, the kick isn't as severe, it's easy to use. Simulate that in to graal and that 100k+ you're charging is worth it. Maybe nine damage, more spread but definitely still compact, less freeze, 8 to a clip, 1 second delay between bullets. You could even take the price up a bit. 120-30k seems good for that.
The guns sold there atm aren't really shifted towards sparring, id say the m1911 tac, pdw sd and skorpian maybe (havent tried using it on my ios yet) are the only sparring guns sold there. M1911 has almost identical stats as the sten just with a much, much smaller clip (7) and a slightly longer reload than most other guns. It also has abit more spread than it.
As for the snipers, in bases i think theyre great. I havent tested the svd but so far i love the m107. Its long barrel lets it shoot over a few walls and means the bullet has less distance to travel when shooting at people that are closer to you making it harder to dodge. I don't plan on removing its ability to shoot through walls unless it becomes an issue such as entire gangs using it which i doubt will happen. (Basically don't buy it just for the ability to shoot through walls because even though most likely it will stay that way theres still a chance). And to balance this it means its not good for cqc since you can't hit them if they're infront of your barrel. Which is how snipers should be. So i suggest using it along side a small gun like the tec9 or a shotgun.
And i dont think they have to much freeze, the 10 damage guns have freeze similar to the bars but like 0.01-0.02 more, the fal has a little bit extra freeze but thats because it shoots a bit faster. AA-12 i may need to buff by giving it an extra bullet and spread since even though it fires really fast the 6-7 damage isn't really killing as many people as it should. And the skorpian may need a buff, im not sure as i havent really used it but i think it may need a damage increase.
Finally you can't really expect all the guns to be perfect on release as they haven't had any player testing against other guns since I didn't really want to ruin any surprises so ill be playing around with them all seeing if they're all good. I'm 95% sure that there will be no need for any nerfing so you don't need to worry about that, however as i said above i may need to buff 1 or 2.
I was personally going to buy the Magnum, but then again if you have a Luger which I did, there isn't a need to spend 100k on a good dealing 1 more damage, as it will take the same amount of shots to kill anyways.
I purchased one gun, which was the M107 sniper rifle (the one that is 110k). I would say it is definitely worth the money. As Sam previously stated, it's ability to shoot through walls makes it deadly in base. It also has a medium-low freeze rate, which makes it very easy to shoot with. Reload isn't too bad for a sniper rifle, it is similar to that of a BAR, although I'll test it more today. Now onto sparring, wow it is one hell of a beast in sparring! It'll probably take a while to get used to its freeze rate and reload, but once done it is very deadly. I noticed that if you trap your opponent in the bottom, you can quickly decrease there health by 12-36HP (it deals 12dmg a bullet), and with the combination of a high spread shotgun such as the Sawed-Shotgun, it makes it insanely powerful (once you get used to it, which usually takes quite a few losses xD). Its good in both hit timer and non-hit timer spars, although most effective in hit timer spars as spammy guns (most likely the BAR) will be easier to beat, if of course you can learn to dodge and shoot simultaneously.
Fun fact. The price of the Ghost M4 is priced after the name of the shop. 187 Guns, 187k. It's most likely done on purpose to make it a signature of the shop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Banshee
They are pretty pricey and they all seem like other version of the m4. Basically the same damage and a different skin.
Don't forget the stats on each simar guns*
Their important not based on looks, it's how the gun is better than the others.
Again I state, the Starter Pistol doesn't do much good for new players no more. Getting graalats in this game takes time and patience, especially is you want something like the M4, which many consider to be the best. Now, I remember when the M4 wasn't 55k. I had the M4 and it was great. But why should I know waste hours farming sellables to buy a 55k gun or spend real money, when the D-Eagles are a great alternative?
Cut the prices of guns, not just for old players, but new players too.
*sigh*
No one told you to buy packs in order to get something that doesn't last one by your character usage.
It's your own decision wether to pack or not, some have earned for big items- while others pack and start showing off blah blah.
None of the stats are even similar to the m4Quote:
Originally Posted by BEAR
The gun that costs 70k and has a 13 clip is actually really good from what I saw- fire rate and reload pretty similar to a souizen.
Lol nice didnt notice that.Quote:
Originally Posted by BabyGhost
I bought the ghost M4,its a pretty awesome gun for both sparring and basing,but i must say it feels a little
uncomfortable to carry around the gun without a proper bag or case ;D
Besides its a 187k gun it should have come with one,here are a few suggestions :D
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Originally Posted by XSTARX
Tell this to a new player...you have a pistol that does 4 damage when you have guns that do 8+ with people who know how to use them. This is why Era doesn't grow on some of the newer payers. Drop the prices or bump up the value of sellables.
You realize the ak deals 8 dmg, and only takes about an hour and a half to dig sellables for it. It's a great starter gun that will keep players protected till they can afford higher ticket items.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ed12
The starter weapons may not be the best but they are acceptable for certain scenarios. As opposed to handling almost any situation.
Dual Uzis/Handguns = Sparring scenarios, weak damage finisher
Ak47 = Basing
Shotgun = Overworld pk, burst damage finisher
The ak47 has poor mobility but that doesn't take away the fact that it retains it's great kill speed. High rate of fire, and good damage combined allows you to effectively cover doorways and thin corridors. This weapon makes you the turret of the team.
Dual uzis and handguns are fairly easy to handle but lack damage. You would use these weapons when sparring or engaged in combat with an enemy (notably 1 on 1). It has high adaptability and can handle a variety of situations. The main thing these guns lack is damage and kill speed. If you spot an enemy that is wounded and has like 6 hp or lower, pull out your dual weapon and finish them off. Your dual shots and good/high spread makes it easy to kill enemies.
Shotguns are not to be underestimated. They are not as easy to handle due to extreme freeze rate but it's damage is intimidating enough to scare some players. Keep it upgraded and use it as a surprise attack weapon for burst damage. Attack enemies that are easy to hit or use it as a last resort weapon to give off as much damage as possible before you die. This weapon is recommended as a secondary. If you find an enemy with some hp left, pull out your shotgun, rush at them at point blank range then shoot them. Dual shotguns aren't really necessary as it only allows you to shoot your shotgun on your right. It does not have any other stat changes.
Ok, I've played around with each of the guns in both bases and spars and I now have a good idea of how they perform against the other guns. So here are my honest, unbiased opinions on them
PDW SD- This gun is primarily a sparring gun, I didn't like it too much in bases since it's not quite fast enough to be able to compete against stronger guns like the bar and pbp since being able to dodge doesn't really matter since you always have 2-3 other basers shooting at you at the same time. In spars its freeze is very close so the souizens so you'll be able to dodge around and yea it's worth its price.
Fal OSW- I had a lot of fun using this gun, It was good in bases but I enjoyed it more in spars. It has quite a good fire rate, faster than m4 and the sten but also has quite a good freeze rate so you can dodge fairly easily. It's 20 clip is more than enough and it has a very low reload freeze so it doesn't matter anyway. It has good accuracy so I was able to hit my enemy easier than when I use guns with higher spreads so yea I enjoyed it.
SVD- This gun was pretty fun to use, it can be used in spars but is more of a basing gun. Has high damage and a decent fire rate so you'll be able to take down enemies fairly quickly. Its negative is its freeze, i'd say it is similar to the sawed AK's freeze but about 0.02-0.03 higher.
44 Magnum- This gun isn't amazing in spars but i'm sure some people who like it for spars will master it. It has high damage and because of its short barrel its good for close quarters in bases. Doesn't have amazing accuracy but overall I liked it.
M1911 Tac- Not much to say about this gun, it's more of a sparring gun so I didn't use it that much in bases. Its stats are very similar to the stens but with more spread and a clip of 7. I was able to go on a few spar streaks with it and is able to compete against slightly more expensive guns such as the m4.
Skorpian Evo- Wasn't a huge fan of this gun, has a good rate of fire and decent freeze but I found in bases the 7-8 damage wasn't getting me as many kills as I would have wanted. It's ok in spar but I'd rather save 10-15k more for either the m1911 or acr.
AA-12- This gun was one of my favourites to use in bases. It's freeze is terrible and it only does 6-7 damage but its fire rate is amazing. It has a 12 shot clip (36 bullets) and now shoots 3 bullets instead of 2 like it currently says in the description. Has a lot of spread and has a very low hit timer outside of bases in the overworld. This gun wasn't too good for spar unless taking on a bottom hugger so I wouldn't recommend it for that. It's more the kind of gun you use to spam an entrance or hallway with, so should be used as a secoundary gun.
Acr Bushmaster- This gun is very good in spars. It has 7-8 damage, and quite a low freeze and fire rate. Similar to the m16 but with much more mobility. Didn't really use it in bases and wouldn't recommend it because of its lower damage.
M107- This gun is a very good gun in both spars and bases. It can shoot over many of the walls in bases and has high damage and quite a decent fire rate so you'll be able to handle yourself against several people. Also because of its 12 damage you may find yourself getting more kills on damaged enemies in bases. Its long barrel lets you hit enemies easier as the bullet has less distance to travel, and I like its 100% accuracy because you can use it to your advantage in bases (such as in mafia going behind the left side wall and shooting from there through the base doorway if it has been destroyed, and are harder to hit). The only real negative for it is if your against sparrers who like running into you and staying close to you, since the barrel is so long you'll have to try move away from them to hit them.
And yea thats it, as I said before stats will be out soon, once I've finished changing any issues with them.
bro that gun is so much of a rip off. The sak whoops the 44 in every way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lazerlatte
the AA12 is auful.
There better be a spread rate of 3 if you're not able to move with it.
Guns with longer barrels give the illusion of a faster traveling bullet. This is very handy for mid to long range combat situations. Enemy players often get surprised that the bullet hits them when you are a bit spaced from them. The AA12 is probably used like a turret. It might not be recommended for sparring situations and preferred more for covering fire in bases.
Almost spot on, my friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by BabyGhost
Since the bullet does come out of the barrel, it originates further away from the player, therefore reaching its destination sooner.
It's kind of like getting a head start in a race.
This is assuming that the GunAdmin set the correct bullet origin points in all directions, and the bullet is actually coming out of the tip of the barrel instead of before it.
In the past, this was a valuable selling point on many guns in old school PC Era; because a few guns(such as the MetalStorm) could clear 3 tiles, given the long barrel.
This meant that these guns could shoot over some thicker walls, where other guns couldn't.
I remember when I was iEra's Gun Admin last year, I set a gun like that to bring this "selling point" back.
People saw that and they automatically think it's some sort of a glitch that a gun shot over the wall; haha.
Also worth mentioning, this could sometimes be a hindrance in close-range combat; if the origin point goes beyond an opponent that is at point-blank range, the bullet will go right over them.
I remember the L9A1 and DSR-50 both had really long barrels, so bullet origin was at the tip. To me it was a selling point because it was possible to shoot over very thick walls like the CTF Blue flag room side wall, and the thick side walls in Mafia and BH. But it was later repositioned to lose this ability. I was pretty upset because the L9's only two good points over the Neo Rifle was its long barrel and 5 clip. Losing one of these perks really made the gun not worth 10k to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meph
Also, would this mean the Socom and other guns with extended barrels due to attachable suppressors should have different origins depending on whether or not the suppressor is attached or not?
Yeah, I've actually got no idea what the L9A1 or DSR-50 are, since they were added after I resigned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vacci
But people complain about it when a gun shoots over walls- They think it's a glitch when it's very much a selling point.
I would think so- after all, the suppressor extends the barrel; so while it's on, I'd expect the bullet to originate at the tip.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vacci
Don't get it confused- I'm not Guns Admin right now; I resigned back in February.
This is just what I would do.
I think that following the logic that the bullet originates at the tip of the barrel makes sense, as well as gives guns another stat to vary from one another.
dat AA-12 doe
Meph is such a gun scientist