Upcoming Weapon damage Buffs

[TheRealSven]

1 chem per tag*
And who says that those who have chem will not use another tag????

Well allies can kill each other so it would be very unorganized in that situation.


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[iMagicBae]

Next update: delete all weapons and only leave starter pistols and starter knife.

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[imaginary]

Next update: delete all weapons and only leave starter pistols and starter knife.

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W expensive parts sold separated to make the gun more powerful

[iHit]

He said make it so only 1 chem could be used in a base....


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1 Chem per tag is more than enough to destroy gangs that don't have chems.. Just keep the bases skill based and make the chem a pking gun only..

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The new damage buff seemed good but when it became a reality it has shown to be a horrible update. People out here getting merked by these 9.5 damage starter pistols! Also the stacked guns are now rendered useless because they were the only ones not buffed and now they cannot compete with the regular guns. You no longer need skill in the game anymore. You just need your 10 or 11 damage m4 and you're good. I really hope that Bitzsam does NOT keep this in the game.

I kind of agree with you.. I thought this update was gonna make the game better but now I am unsure about that.. Either buff the stacked and rapid fire guns (except the chem since it's pretty much an exploding minigun) OR reverse the damage changes.

[TheRealSven]

1 Chem per tag is more than enough to destroy gangs that don't have chems.. Just keep the bases skill based and make the chem a pking gun only..

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I kind of agree with you.. I thought this update was gonna make the game better but now I am unsure about that.. Either buff the stacked and rapid fire guns (except the chem since it's pretty much an exploding minigun) OR reverse the damage changes.

mmmm debatable. chem has a punishing reload, especially with the new bar. just gotta be smart and it won’t be a huge issue.


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[Boogie]

Ok going to make this as short as I can so it doesn't get too complicated.

With the original weapon 'nerfs' among other things one of the main intentions was to reduce a lot of the fast fire-rates across the high damaging guns to create more of a skill gap in having more ability to dodge bullets (less spam walls, more opening between bullets to dodge etc). For the most part that went well however I do recognise that meant an increased kill time overall which is what this change i'm about to explain will hopefully fix.

What I plan to do is increase the damage of most guns in the game so that they will kill in one less bullet than currently. (notice the word 'most' is in bold meaning not all guns, i'll get to that part later on).

Here is an example of how the damage buffs will work out (note that it can't be an equal buff for each gun as the bullets to kill don't always add up)

Assume these damage values are all for perfect condition weapons and the number of shots to kill are based on a full hp player (50 hp).

12 damage guns - +1.5 damage buff = 13.5 damage - going from 5 shots to kill to 4
11 damage guns - +2 damage buff = 13 damage - going from 5 shots to kill to 4
10 damage guns- +2.5 damage buff = 12.5 damage - going from 5 shots to kill to 4
9.5 damage guns- +2 damage buff = 11.5 damage - going from 6 shots to kill to 5
9 damage guns- +2 damage buff = 11 damage - going from 6 shots to kill to 5
8 damage guns- +1.5 damage buff = 9.5 damage - going from 7 shots to kill to 6
7 damage guns- +1 damage buff = 8 damage - going from 8 shots to kill to 7
6 damage guns- +1 damage buff = 7 damage - going from 9 shots to kill to 8
5 damage guns- +1 damage buff = 6 damage - going from 10 shots to kill to 9
4 damage guns- +1 damage buff = 5 damage - going from 11 shots to kill to 10

Basically these additional damage values mean that guns will be killing in 1 less bullet than before assuming you're killing someone on 50hp.

Now getting to the 'most' part, there will be exceptions, they still need to be figured out but a base line is that no guns that kill in 4 shots currently (such as the ion bow/ DSR 50 and a few others) will be buffed to kill in 3 shots. They'll get a damage buff as well but their shots to kill will remain as it currently is, and i'll probably give another stat a minor buff to account for that.

Not all stacked damage guns, especially ones that fire multiple bullets will receive buffs due to the fact that even adding 0.5 damage extra would throw some off too much.

Additionally fast firing guns like the minigun/ flame/ chem can't receive any damage buffs without the buff being too significant. (eg minigun does 4.5 damage perfect, being a 12 shot kill currently. If I even buffed it by only 0.5 making it 5 damage perfect then that would make it go from a 12 bullets to kill to a 10, meaning 2 less bullets which would probably make it the best gun in the game AKA too strong).

Like I said i'll still have to figure out what to do with some of those exceptions, probably buff it somewhere else in a minor way, but damage wise not much can be done.


TLDR

Aim
- To buff most guns in the game to kill a 50 player HP in 1 less bullet than it currently kills in.

Reason
- To speed up fights, making the game fast pace, high risk/ high reward
- To counter the lower times to kill across the board that came from the firerate nerfs during the weapon rebalance

Exceptions
- High firerate, low damage weapons (eg minigun type weapons) won't receive damage buffs
- Explosive weapons won't receive damage buffs if the additional damages make it too strong
- Guns that currently kill in 4 shots (eg ION bow, DSR50, Lapua 338) won't receive buffs that make it 3 shot kills
- Stacked weapons that fire multiple bullets won't get damage buffs

Additional Change
- Because of the addition of many .5 damages in some of the buffs, the Player HP bar will be updated to display 0.5 numbers (eg 45.5 HP, 29.5 hp etc)- currently the health bar just rounds the damage down which is why you may have seen players running around with 0 health when really they were at 0.5.


I'm hoping to update all the damage all at once before the end of the year. There is also an additional gun related update I have been waiting on a few scripts to be finished that I wish to release along side this update however I can't give any info on what it'll be other than it's not weapon stat related.

Update 16/11/18
ALL RIGHT

So this is what's going to go down. Most guns have now been buffed following the stats I posted originally;
(perfect condition damages)
12 damage guns - 13.5 damage - going from 5 shots to kill to 4
11 damage guns - 13 damage - going from 5 shots to kill to 4
10 damage guns- 12.5 damage - going from 5 shots to kill to 4
9.5 damage guns- 11.5 damage - going from 6 shots to kill to 5
9 damage guns- 11 damage - going from 6 shots to kill to 5
8 damage guns- 9.5 damage - going from 7 shots to kill to 6
7 damage guns- 8 damage - going from 8 shots to kill to 7
6 damage guns- 7 damage - going from 9 shots to kill to 8
5 damage guns- 6 damage - going from 10 shots to kill to 9
4 damage guns- 5 damage - going from 11 shots to kill to 10

There will be a 1 week TRIAL PERIOD. During this week you guys can test out how the game feels whilst I decide what to do with the guns that didn't receive damage buffs, as in buffing them in a different stat eg. reload time decrease. Also to make sure nothing breaks. After that week then they should hopefully be finalised.

Here is the list of guns that DID NOT GET DAMAGE BUFFS (due to having stacked damage, explosive damage or did 12+ damage pre buffs).

870FieldShotgun
ArtilleryCannon
Assault_Rifle
Bolt_Blaster
Champagne_Gun
ChemicalGun
Chocobo
CincoCannon
CL_Bazooka
CornLauncher
DeceasedCannon
Diablo_Duals14
Diablo_Duals18
Diablo_Duals
DinoSmash
DSR50_Sniper
Carnage
EggRPG
ElectricStaff
Era_RPG
FIM_92_Stinger
FlameThrower
GasLauncher
GrenadeLauncher
HCannon
IceWand
Ion_Bow
Ion_Pulse_Cannon
LasCannon
M16a3
M3
Magma_Launcher
MG36_2
Model_1887
Naglfar
Nitro_Blaster
PBPShotgun
PeaceMaker
Plasma_Pistols
RabbitRPG
RPG7
SharkNader
Shotgun
SnowBallCannon
TacoCannon
TurkeyBlaster
Gun_Vulcan_Minigun
WaterStaff
XFG_SMG
XM25

Also to reiterate Melees are NOT getting damage buffs.

Let me know if you find a gun that wasn't buffed that isn't in that list of guns above

I don’t like this change because while some guns are buffed others are left in the dust. I like to collect holiday based guns and now the ones I own are obsolete. Also melees should receive a buff as well so they have a chance against the guns.

[iHit]

mmmm debatable. chem has a punishing reload, especially with the new bar. just gotta be smart and it won’t be a huge issue.


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There is no time to be smart when you are getting fired at by an exploding minigun

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I don’t like this change because while some guns are buffed others are left in the dust. I like to collect holiday based guns and now the ones I own are obsolete. Also melees should receive a buff as well so they have a chance against the guns.

Melees are not meant for combat use against guns.. The only time I have ever found myself using melees (before the buff and now) is when there was a player lagged out or when I needed to destroy a door or a base.. Just don't touch the melees

[XR]

Just revert the gun stats back to normal, maybe players will actually come back to the game

[GrahfixCloud]

Next update: delete all weapons and only leave starter pistols and starter knife.

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Dead af lmao <3

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Just revert the gun stats back to normal, maybe players will actually come back to the game

They come back after a while anyway. A lot of my 2014 friends do anyway.

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[TheRealSven]

There is no time to be smart when you are getting fired at by an exploding minigun

Then your reaction time is way too slow my friend.

Add chem back to bases please, i’d like basing to be spiced up a bit. But limiting chems per base would be a good idea since a bunch of ***astros*** have it now


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