Christmas Presents - Gun and Melees discussion

[BiTzSam]

Winter Staff,

why would you pick butterfly knife? knowing its not going to be tradeable, also keep in mind that it has the exact same stats as the hunter knife / kiwi knife. The Winter Staff firstly heals you; making it a lot more useful because i'm sure a lot of people have a high damage knife already but most dont have a healing item, therefor making it useful. Also the fact that its Xmas related less it in theme and is in with a good shout, oh well the idiotic voice of the uninformed users speak louder than the words of a knowledgeable user.

What I've been trying to say.

I feel like most people voting aren't even reading the thread (as indicated bye everyone asking for a gold gun despite the thread specifically stating not to ask for it)- therefore assuming that they're asking for a tradeable butterfly knife with skins which is not the case

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I don't really think items should be limited to a certain number in the presents.

The problem i see with this is that there's a good chance that the presents would hit the limit within hours of presents being able to be opened- disadvantaging those from non-european timezones. I understand why people want a limit but if we want it to be fair to everybody there shouldn't be a limit in my opinion.

That's true but on the other hand if there isn't a limit then more people get to have it which detracts the rarity of it.
As proven by the golden desert eagle item from last year, which had a 5% chance to obtain and yet the majority of people opening presents got one eventually, with most of them getting it dual, so effectively having got it twice.

With guns it isn't a huge deal since you can buy the non gold version counterpart, but for melees, specifically the rares you can't buy, and so their value is in their look.
If the reward item was a Christmas themed HW Dagger (that only has 3-4 in game) and it didn't have a limit then theoretically a large portion of players would be able to obtain it eventually. And then it detracts from the actual item as people want something nobody else has. Even if they have an untradeable Christmas themed version, if say 700 people had it, the item would no longer be special

[Sanford]

How about a crossbow... idk... i just dk

[Vendhin]

What I've been trying to say.

I feel like most people voting aren't even reading the thread (as indicated bye everyone asking for a gold gun despite the thread specifically stating not to ask for it)- therefore assuming that they're asking for a tradeable butterfly knife with skins which is not the case

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That's true but on the other hand if there isn't a limit then more people get to have it which detracts the rarity of it.
As proven by the golden desert eagle item from last year, which had a 5% chance to obtain and yet the majority of people opening presents got one eventually, with most of them getting it dual, so effectively having got it twice.

With guns it isn't a huge deal since you can buy the non gold version counterpart, but for melees, specifically the rares you can't buy, and so their value is in their look.
If the reward item was a Christmas themed HW Dagger (that only has 3-4 in game) and it didn't have a limit then theoretically a large portion of players would be able to obtain it eventually. And then it detracts from the actual item as people want something nobody else has. Even if they have an untradeable Christmas themed version, if say 700 people had it, the item would no longer be special

Then don't have anything in the presents system that you want to keep rare.

If you want a system that's fair to everyone and not just those in europe and certain areas of the middle east then you'll have to have items in there that you're happy to have flooded into the server because it's going to happen.

If you put restrictions or item limits on them be prepared for a lot of complaints because the proportion of rare guns/items will almost certainly be skewed to like 90% in one time zone. I know it's not your fault or decision but i feel like it should be developments duty to keep it fair and balanced, being lucky because you live in the same timezone as the manager is not fair.

We've seen in the past how quickly the "rare" items in the presents appear- if there IS a limit, it will be hit within hours. The people who buy 450 of each colour will open them one-by-one and get pretty much everything in the loot table more than once.

[RenoDorvay]

Then don't have anything in the presents system that you want to keep rare.

If you want a system that's fair to everyone and not just those in europe and certain areas of the middle east then you'll have to have items in there that you're happy to have flooded into the server because it's going to happen.

If you put restrictions or item limits on them be prepared for a lot of complaints because the proportion of rare guns will almost certainly be skewed to like 90% in one time zone. I know it's not your fault or decision but i feel like it should be developments duty to keep it fair and balanced, being lucky because you live in the same timezone of the manager is not fair.

We've seen in the past how quickly the "rare" items in the presents appear- if there IS a limit, it will be hit within hours. The people who buy 450 of each colour will open them one-by-one and get pretty much everything in the loot table more than once.

Can confirm it's a silly idea.

I won a gold item myself that one time (Golden Souizen), it happens.

[GenChristian]

Oh well, Self-Open Present is not legal anymore but G4G someone else then chance get "scammer" & that's okay who players got scammed also including hijacker gifts.

If Donald Trump wants become legal to Self-Open Present? I will be fair.

Nah Just kidding for Trump.

[ItzTerry!]

Then don't have anything in the presents system that you want to keep rare.

If you want a system that's fair to everyone and not just those in europe and certain areas of the middle east then you'll have to have items in there that you're happy to have flooded into the server because it's going to happen.

If you put restrictions or item limits on them be prepared for a lot of complaints because the proportion of rare guns/items will almost certainly be skewed to like 90% in one time zone. I know it's not your fault or decision but i feel like it should be developments duty to keep it fair and balanced, being lucky because you live in the same timezone as the manager is not fair.

We've seen in the past how quickly the "rare" items in the presents appear- if there IS a limit, it will be hit within hours. The people who buy 450 of each colour will open them one-by-one and get pretty much everything in the loot table more than once.

Speaking for the Asia/Oceania players, I really support this-^

Of all people, Sam, you live in Australia, then you should truly understand the situation. In all honesty, what you say is true, Sam. This is much like the items like Blitzens Hammer, whereas almost everyone from the time was getting it. However, the increasing/decreasing playerbase will only make this item even rarer.

If you're going to have a limited availability of the item, you might as well have it impossibly rare.

[imaginary]

Winter Staff,

why would you pick butterfly knife? knowing its not going to be tradeable, also keep in mind that it has the exact same stats as the hunter knife / kiwi knife. The Winter Staff firstly heals you; making it a lot more useful because i'm sure a lot of people have a high damage knife already but most dont have a healing item, therefor making it useful. Also the fact that its Xmas related less it in theme and is in with a good shout, oh well the idiotic voice of the uninformed users speak louder than the words of a knowledgeable user.

No lol
Butterfly knife is way better
And why not make it tradable ?
Last year rageblade was tradable

[snk]

The items distributed last year (Rage Blade, Souizen or w/e gun it was) was evenly split across all time zones.

I understand limiting it - but what me and Sam want to accomplish are:

• An item which players are happy with
• An item which isn't going to dramatically change the econemy

By offering a melee which can't be traded fixes this - but also giving it a new skin also fixes this.

[Reborned]

Gun: Spectre Or Steyr AUG
Melee: Winter / Frozen skin of Butterfly Knife

I would like to see many skins for the butterfly knife that are winter related. Maybe players can only get one of these skins so they can have something that they cannot change .

So make either a lot of winter skins for the knife SO players can have some uniqueness from their presents.

[bluedragon123]

The items distributed last year (Rage Blade, Souizen or w/e gun it was) was evenly split across all time zones.

I understand limiting it - but what me and Sam want to accomplish are:

• An item which players are happy with
• An item which isn't going to dramatically change the econemy

By offering a melee which can't be traded fixes this - but also giving it a new skin also fixes this.

Snk didnt u say to use other thread .-.