READ- Weapon Rebalancing

[imaginary]

Well, if you guys don't like what's gonna happen, come play Ol West

The pk system sucks

[BiTzSam]

Thanks for the response, I find those compromises to be very fair and agreeable. 10 | 20 clip sounds perfect (especially being that they are pistols and probably shouldnt be holding such a large clip anyway). My question however is how would the shipka be able to hold a clip of 15 with a shot output of two? Or how would that work to be exact, Im perfectly happy with the compromise of 15.

The clip size wouldn't be 15 it would be 30 with 15 shots of 2

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2.) Lower weapon prices, so those players can actually afford the weapons to have a chance agasint the higher tier guns

Afterall, the players currently with high tier weapons (like myself and the entire experienced community who doesn't stay at start/Astro) have earned these weapons through grinding events or doing the jobs. I used to get 20k a day doing pizzas, it isn't hard.

You want to make the game more fair? Then this is a way you can avoid angering the entire experienced community and it'll help out the noobies

If you can make 20k a day from pizzas then the job is fine. As for you 'grinding' jobs to earn your guns you definitely were not one of those people, itunes all the way. Very small percentage of bar owners actually earned their bar through digging

[KvNEraa]

Very small percentage of bar owners actually earned their bar through digging

Bet they'll just quit after your great adjustments to the Bar.

[Bando]

The GM4 knife attatchment is a good idea or perhaps a silencer attacthment? The skin with the silencer is ugly imo would love to see it on the current default skin.

[BiTzSam]

Bet they'll just quit after your great adjustments to the Bar.

No they won't if they do then the other 2/3 of the community would probably have a more enjoyable playing experience anyway

[D12*]

The reason of why a community poll couldn't be made, is because 2/3 of the game owns at least one of the guns that were mentioned on the thread, and they would not like to see it be changed.

Instead of knowing that the nerfs are going to make this game more fair for everyone and more skill based, people always prefer to have the overpowered option, in this case the guns that are mentioned in this thread.

[XR]

The clip size wouldn't be 15 it would be 30 with 15 shots of 2

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If you can make 20k a day from pizzas then the job is fine. As for you 'grinding' jobs to earn your guns you definitely were not one of those people, itunes all the way. Very small percentage of bar owners actually earned their bar through digging

Well it's also cause I know how to make pizzas extremely fast. And it was kind of an exaggeration. Being honest per hour you can make maybe 2k-3k depending on your speed. And so what I used iTunes, everybody does, people spent $1000's of dollars on this game for crying out loud

[BiTzSam]

Well it's also cause I know how to make pizzas extremely fast. And it was kind of an exaggeration. Being honest per hour you can make maybe 2k-3k depending on your speed. And so what I used iTunes, everybody does, people spent $1000's of dollars on this game for crying out loud

Them stop exaggerating. You've done it several times throughout this thread and it's fairly annoying as having been a pr people assume that what you are saying is what it is and is giving them an untrue impression.
Besides giving everyone in the game access to these guns whilst they are in the state they are in just makes things worse. Yes the guns are are op, but asides from the bar because of its high freeze the guns themselves detract from needing to use any skill.

If you give everyone a gm4 then all it is, is whoever can outspam as the firerate in combination with the freeze puts the bullets so close together than it is impossible to dodge. The guns themselves need to be fixed first.

This is an extreme example but say a game has a gun that can 1 shot everyone. It takes no skill to use, is overpowered and unfair to anyone it's against. The solution wouldn't be to give it to every player, because it's still remains a problem.
You fix it by nerfing the gun down to where it can be slightly better than average (assuming it's an item that you can pay for) so that it still is something 'better than the rest' but not at such an extreme that it takes the skill out of the game and is unbeatable by anyone without it

[XR]

Them stop exaggerating. You've done it several times throughout this thread and it's fairly annoying as having been a pr people assume that what you are saying is what it is and is giving them an untrue impression.
Besides giving everyone in the game access to these guns whilst they are in the state they are in just makes things worse. Yes the guns are are op, but asides from the bar because of its high freeze the guns themselves detract from needing to use any skill.

If you give everyone a gm4 then all it is, is whoever can outspam as the firerate in combination with the freeze puts the bullets so close together than it is impossible to dodge. The guns themselves need to be fixed first.

This is an extreme example but say a game has a gun that can 1 shot everyone. It takes no skill to use, is overpowered and unfair to anyone it's against. The solution wouldn't be to give it to every player, because it's still remains a problem.
You fix it by nerfing the gun down to where it can be slightly better than average (assuming it's an item that you can pay for) so that it still is something 'better than the rest' but not at such an extreme that it takes the skill out of the game and is unbeatable by anyone without it

Thing is like everyone has said, 80% of the server sits at start or in Astro, and they don't even have those guns. So I don't think there are too many over overpowered guns, it's that there's nothing that motivates them to make money. I spar everyday, and I'm sure any sparrer could say this, the guns aren't an issue, anybody with skill could defeat a higher tier gun, and skill isn't buyable

[Tasim]

The clip size wouldn't be 15 it would be 30 with 15 shots of 2

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If you can make 20k a day from pizzas then the job is fine. As for you 'grinding' jobs to earn your guns you definitely were not one of those people, itunes all the way. Very small percentage of bar owners actually earned their bar through digging

That makes much more sense thank you for the explanation.

Also to all of those that are complaining, these guns are subject to change at any time, obviously whining about the changes wont do you any good, because rather than make fair and helpful suggestions you are instead making the situation worse. IF you actually want to see something done, maybe you should take the time to actually make some proper critique and share viable stat changes so that you arent completely unhappy. I shared my suggestion and Bitz was fine with compromising on it. If you want to be heard and taken seriously it needs to start by having the right attitude. Dont make it worse for yourself, these changes will most likely happen so at least use some reason in your mindset.