READ- Weapon Rebalancing

[Harrio]

Bitzsam don't listen to anyone thinking you messed up, you didn't, you balanced the pking of the game, someone had to do it for the sake of a fair game, don't like it? See you in real life, if not you're welcome to play the game.

Dude people are mad that they paid so much money for a specific gun because of its specific stats. Now their upset because the money been tossed in the trash. It's not hard to understand. Refund and lower the price.

To buy a bar and other guns in Canada is about 200$. Why would you spend that on a gun that can be juked by an AK now.

Simply if the bar had always had these new stats I would have never bought it and neither would have 2/3 people for it's now ridiculous price. Changing something so drastically after so many purchases shouldn't even be legal

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The only people okay with this are people who've retired and don't care or people who's best gun is an AK47, and last but not least a ton of 10 year olds trying to get hired for PR

[Selth]

I knew there was something wrong with my guns not acting normal

[ikillzgraal]

Doing an overhaul of the higher tier weapons is something i've been considering for a little while. The problem I have is with a few guns in particular that I see as weapons that have overly high stats just for the sake of it when one stat variable alone would have been enough to make it worth its price.

The problem with these guns in a 2D game especially considering the server issues a lot of people have is that it's the same repetitive format of everyone using the BAR/P2k/PSG1 for basing, everyone using the Ion Carbine/ GM4/ P2K for sparring etc. None of these guns are fun to fight against. All it comes down to is who lag spikes/ has a hit delay that allows them to be outspammed. It isn't about skill or dodging, it's literally who can get to the bottom first and have a spammier gun to stop the other person from getting down there and shoot up/down until eventually the other person loses.
The reason why a lot of sparrers still like to use the M4 even though it is worse than most guns they are against is because it is more enjoyable to use as it requires skill on when to shoot/ dodge, same when fighting against it.

The fact is, actual PKing/basing/sparring is dying on era. There are more people afking in start, roleplaying in astros or trading than there are players basing/ sparring combined. This game is about gun combat, those other features are fine but combat is what should be the main part of the game that most people partake in. Currently the only people doing any combat are people with high tier guns as they can dominate anyone that doesn't have a gun close- equal what they are using.


the TLDR is I want to rebalance certain guns that are on the higher spectrum, decrease certain stats, mainly firerate so that gameplay is more competitive. Obviously the majority is going to be against this preposition as unfortunately they will only have the mindset that any changes will mean their gun is not worth what they paid/ want their gun to be as OP as possible so that they can continue to put in less effort into having the ability to actually play the game. All games get rebalances/ stat changes I will be making sure despite the rebalance that the higher tier guns will maintain their hierarchy- meaning that eg BAR will still be better than GM4/ shipka just to a lesser extent. You paid for the guns strength, not the stats hence why actual statistics aren't displayed ingame as they are subject to change- and the guns will still maintain their strength.

- Rather than complain I suggest you post suggestions/ what you want to see changed as this is your opportunity to provide feedback. Changes will most likely occur unless something comes up so don't waste your opportunity to have a say on comments regarding refunds/ don't nerf things along those lines as they probably won't be acknowledged.


Here are the changes so far that I would like to see added- you can say if you think a change is too little/ too much providing you give an alternative that isn't just "keep it how it is" and your reason for that alternative.
(the bold text is the new stat- refer to https://www.era-go.com/forum/showthr...ated-Gun-Stats if you need explanations on what the variables mean (whether higher numbers on freeze/ firerate are better or worse
That's the changes so far that I have considered- keep in mind to compare the new stats of the gun with new stats of the other guns, knowing that whilst the BAR won't be as good, the GM4 necessarily won't be either, therefore they will still remain in the current position of "what gun is better" as they currently are just to a lesser extent.
Changes may lead to people using a greater range of guns than before, changing the META of peoples loadouts so it isn't just- bar, ion, gm4, p2k and the occasional vector/ m4.

this is stupid considering the reason we paid 200k for bar is because of how op it is and yes people afking and stuff outweighs pkers because most are astro nubs that are too lazy to get money for guns and because u changed so many stats pkers and sparers will decrease dramatically because of this pros are quiting leaving nubs and astro nubs if u are so obsessed with getting more players pking then give us all free 1mil gralats and remove trade tables now i say again PEOPLE PAID FOR BAR BECAUSE ITS OP thanks to this now there will be no pkers soon because of you if you want this game to be pking obsessed then create a graal with no safe zones and shops otherwise this is a totally uneccisary way to get more people pking no one cares about skill anymore they just want to kill so u are a nub because all u mean by this is that youre helping noobs meaning that is why nubs wont work for guns like this i hope youre happy with yourself for killing graal #FIREBLITZSAM #RIPERA

[GenoIndeed]

As an ex gun admin on Zone, I understand the fact that there will need to be changes in the higher tiers especially after a lot of items have been added, but I also understand that there's a right and wrong way of doing things and I don't agree with changing so many things all at once because it's more guessing than having accurate results. You should've done things little by little starting with the more complained about guns such as the Bar and P2k's, see how that works out and go from there. Doing things all at once can cause a lot of unnecessary changes such as the gm4 and souizen. Also, I do feel the Bar was hit a little too hard, mainly with its reload speed, and the shipka is fine how it is now since it had almost no reload before, the souizen is not really that good anymore since its rof wasn't that high to begin with and now it feels really slow, it had its uses in bases when used right but now it feels strictly for spar. I'm still working on checking out some other guns and talking with people, but I don't like the method done and it never seems to work fine but we'll just have to see. But make sure to keep up with people's opinions and make changes, don't do that crap Zone gun admins do and make changes and go "deal with it cuz im right".

[Bulletzone]

As an ex gun admin on Zone, I understand the fact that there will need to be changes in the higher tiers especially after a lot of items have been added, but I also understand that there's a right and wrong way of doing things and I don't agree with changing so many things all at once because it's more guessing than having accurate results. You should've done things little by little starting with the more complained about guns such as the Bar and P2k's, see how that works out and go from there. Doing things all at once can cause a lot of unnecessary changes such as the gm4 and souizen. Also, I do feel the Bar was hit a little too hard, mainly with its reload speed, and the shipka is fine how it is now since it had almost no reload before, the souizen is not really that good anymore since its rof wasn't that high to begin with and now it feels really slow, it had its uses in bases when used right but now it feels strictly for spar. I'm still working on checking out some other guns and talking with people, but I don't like the method done and it never seems to work fine but we'll just have to see. But make sure to keep up with people's opinions and make changes, don't do that crap Zone gun admins do and make changes and go "deal with it cuz im right".

There's Zone admins?

[Amazing Ace]

Fix the guns.

Thank you for your constructive criticism.

[Celestial]

Thank you for your constructive criticism.

If you nerf this one gun on my mind i have no reason to play this game and i will focus on my studies cross my heart.

[Zernov]

If you nerf this one gun on my mind i have no reason to play this game and i will focus on my studies cross my heart.

If that's the m4 you don't have to worry, at least until drunksam realizes that it's now the best gun and transforms it into a pea shooter.

[Abdullah1441]

No matter what you do, there will always be someone who is unsatisfied.

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BiTzSam, all though I support the nerf, you must changes things back to normal, this is not how Era should function. But I do respect your efforts to fix the streets of Era, not every admin has the courage to speak up against the selfish that took the streets.

[D12*]

I'm one of the few ones that really support this nerfs. And i'm not the so called ´astro noob` or the 'AFK noob' or so. I've wasted money on this game. First of all, as a Shipka user, I would like to congratulate BitzSam because now I feel it as a balanced gun, he did a great job in that gun.

I don't consider my self a really old player, but not a new either, I've inverted a lot of time playing this game. And its been a really long time since all the guns were the same, having the BAR as a "god gun" and the rests guns (under 120k) useless versus this category. And what I mean of this, is that the guns under 120k had a very few chances of winning versus a gun above that category.

Even though many people are saying that this update ruined iEra, it's not really like that. Months ago, people were saying how this game is based on a Pay to Win system and they wanted a more balanced game, but now that they're balancing the guns it's all the other way around, people wanting the game to continue being Pay to Win. This clearly shows that you never can please everyone, always with a update people will be happy or sad about it, and BitzSam cannot make everyone happy.

I had seen that almost every comment on this thread is going towards the BAR instead of the other guns, which it can let me deduce that many people are just angry about the BAR nerf. Maybe having the rate of fire reduced back to normal or nerfed a little bit would make BAR a balanced gun, a good gun, but not a god gun.

I would like to remember that this nerfs are made only for a week, just to see how things are going. If the BAR is considered a useless gun, then probably it would not be nerfed drastically. Having it for a week doesn't mean that it will be a permanent change, take as a example the Neo Base, I think that a year ago someone tried to make it only for Multiplex guns for a week to see how it would work, but when they saw that it was a bad idea, they made it all back to normal. On a more simple way, this nerfs are on a "beta" version.