Very coincidental. I don't have to justify anything your the one making individual decisions for thousands of people. I have the right to speak my opinion just like you have the right to take my words out of context.Originally Posted by BiTzSam
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I just finished basing & I got my asz served to me by PBP & SHIPKAS & AA12 & P2Ks in small areas where theres no room to maneuver because the fire rate of my gun is now sh*t. I demand a nerf for those guns. I shouldn't be forced to pay money just to be able to compete against those guns all they do is spam. You represent us right Kim Jong Bitz, I have no Gralats on my acc to buy a new gun to compete against those guns, also theres more poor noobs than pros, this game is for the majority hence why I think a nerf is whats best for the community, those shotguns & shipkas & p2ks are ruining the game for us, just because they paid more money than me doesn''t mean they can be God & win without skill.
Last edited by Donald; 05-15-2017 at 11:31 AM.
Let's take a rewind to what you said . "Enjoyable" , Yes indeed...
Why don't you just quit already.
You're by far the most hated person in this game for doing those lame adjustments
You should've asked the community before doing those changes, and apparently from your thread , no one likes them . So instead of "adjusting" the gun's stats, why don't you work on countryside ?
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I pked bbz for 25 mins yesterday and got completely destroyed, I only killed like 57 people in that time frame and oh man it is hard. The guns are so slow you can't even protect yourself from 2+ people shooting at you and running around dodging doesn't work. I'm already bored and tired of era, I've tried these changes in spar and base and I have found 0 enjoyment, please change them back, as this has effected sparring and basing for the worse
Everyone was happy before these changes, sparring was fair as the players who had the better guns worked for them; and that's just how a game works, every game has better guns that everyone works towards, and eventually you'll get those weapons by putting time into the game. But now these "better guns" have become worse than cheaper weapons, and there's no point for new players to work towards them as they're not worth the money, so in reality you just killed spar with these weapons that aren't fun nor good. Basing was fine as the major gangs have 500+ friends on standby, that's just how things work and you can't change that, basing will never change, even with Chem removed the same gangs control the same bases, so that solved nothing.
Sam I'm being honest here, you really need to listen to the community, they play the game every single day, and we're speaking how we feel. Read my points above, they're logical and it's the truth
Idk why but they still prefer spamming than skills thats why.
i seek a closure on the whole matter.In this whole matter, both the admin and the players have their own part to reflect on. I wouldn't say that reither side is correct or more reasonable than the other.
I wrote two articles to explain my stand. And just in case yo've not seen it, they are here.
https://lykspersonalblog.files.wordp...ysis-final.pdf
https://lykspersonalblog.files.wordp...rf-of-buff.pdf
I'd say that Bitzsam changed the stats in the name of his job with complete disregard for the weapon's stakholders -the players.
I wouldn't want to be disregarded like that, nor as a player will I accept being treated like that. If everything is done autonomously, the era community will not be functioning like a community, but more like an oligarch or a communist state whereby decisions are made by one man.
but, the intention behind the change - to make the game more fair is actually what I support.
In this egoistic environment of the game, we players have inadvertently and probably subconsiously adopted a mindset of "things that will affect me should be eliminated entirely"
and this is why many players are reluctant to accept this change.
In our egoistic pursuit for base hours, killing supremacy and spar domination, we have forgotten about the things that really mattered. Such as the survival of other, new players, gangs etc. All these issues are derived from this egoistic culture and it has thus introduced severe inequlity in the game - making it very difficult to maintain a fair, competency based gameplay , rather than a cash-based one.
Bitzsam intention wasn't wrong. It is in fact correct and sound. We need to actually stop trying to stay in the egoistic self and actually look at the bigger picture, for the sustainability of fair play and the players themselves.
Recognise that most of the comaplaints are saying things like "I worked so hard for it..." , "I spent my own real money", etc.
I.... I .... I
its a display of self-entitlement.
And all these are paradoxical.
we players report when some players hack or abuse glitches to their advanatge. We condemn them and we probably hated them. This is because they have achieved an unfair edge over all of us. Yet, now all of us are fighting for that unfair firearm advantage so that we could exploit it to our advantage, and some of the players are probably attempting to deter this shift toward a more fair gameply environment.
Ironic isn't it?
A TAX DOES THE BEST ATTACKS ON UNFAIRNESS.
Xurr has a point about not being able to defend himself. Imagine you''re in a tight space using bar or ion, against a shipka,p2ks or PBP. Before you could compete with them because you had higher firerate & could do more damage to counter their spread, now the tables have turned your firerate & reload is slow as hell against those weapons with better firerate & spread theres only 1 winner even if you have better freeze, you can dodge all you like but when you have shipka one direction PBP the other your going to be squeezed into a very tiny box now with no way to counter. I spar a lot so I'm not really that affected in spar cause I can move but in tight spaces its unusable now. I don't wanna spend 200k to buy a PBP or P2ks or shipka, I'm like those noobs I don't wanna spend 60-70k just to be able to compete. Hence why i think we should nerf those guns, so what if they paid hard earned cash for it this is for the good of the community, clearly there are more noobs & poor people than them
Last edited by Donald; 05-15-2017 at 02:13 PM.
Lol "Kim Jong Bitz "I laugh hard XD
So Day 1 experiences from these changes:
*I don't spar so maybe a sparrer who has a lot of guns could talk about how they felt while sparring with some of these guns, mainly BAR and the group of 8 dmg guns such as the carbine, gm4.*
Bar:
So I was pking with some of these guns in bases solo, with a gang, and street pking and while I won't list every minor detail, I'll talk about the major stuff. The Bar was nowhere near effective as it used to be, to the point where I stopped using it. I feel its lost its effectiveness, even when tap fired its just too slow regardless of if i timed my taps *what I do for semi guns like ump45* or if I just pressed fired as fast as I could. Its fire rate was hit way too hard. Its not as good in street pk since it was usually up in the air about the bar or shipka being better due to the bars rof compared to the shipkas good rof plus dual bullets, but now the shipka took that which brings me to my next gun, the shipka.
Shipka:
Far more effective than the bar was for basing, pretty much the king of basing guns now. Bars were laughably easy now *which kinda sucks since I liked the challenge, even with skilled players i didnt have much trouble* and it pretty much dominated most other guns. The guns changes felt necessary, never had much of a reload and had a high clip, feels more fair. Still the same for street pk but has more use than the bar since its rof holds up better and shoots dual bullets, id recommend it over the bar for now. My go to gun now
P2k's:
Doesn't feel like they changed much, still kinda annoying to fight. Shipka did ok against it. Didn't see as much of them yesterday so i still need more results.
The 8 dmg gun group:
Ghost m4: more spar oriented than basing although it still could hold up in bases due to its low freeze and good rof, but now i wouldnt even bother in bases, I destroyed each one with the shipka easily
G36: its ok. Just ok. Learn its tap fire pattern for best results
Ump45: its a bit better than the g36 since it seems to shoot faster, id always steer people towards this if they didnt wanna save up for a really high priced gun, even more so now compared to the bar
Ion carbine: i dont really see this outside of spar so idk, maybe someone else could comment on this
Souizen: not good. I used to use it in certain basing and pk situations against fast guns or multiple people but now its way too slow to do so, and since i dont spar, its just there in my inventory
Tommy gun: one of the best guns in this group
Now for the ones i dont have or really didnt see, they all pretty much got the same treament so if you have one of these you can make a comparison using the stats list.
My biggest issue with the whole nerf thing is this group of guns, really only nerfed due to the bar being nerfed. They have varying price ranges so the whole "because theyre high end guns" thing doesnt really make sense here. There wasnt any issue with these guns, if it isnt broken then dont fix it. Some of these guns like the gm4, g36/ump45, souizen felt versatile in whether they were more spar or pk/basing oriented with some leaning more towards one way, but now theyve all been pushed towards spar due to the rof nerfs and the gm4 and souzien feel strictly for spar, i wouldnt go near a base with them and theres way better street pk guns. But then theres spar, even tho its not my thing ive done it enough to understand it, and idk if i could recommend the gm4 over the ump45. The ump45 is good enough to spar with and the gm4 was like the step beyond but now it doesnt feel like much of a step, id tell people to get the ump45 and save the rest and go for the shipka or pbp next if they dont have one or just save it if they have both. And theres the low priced 8 dmg guns like the ap7 and desert eagle, they actually feel too useful for their price in comparison to these guns since they werent touched, which is odd to say. These guns shouldnt have been touched.
Pbp shotgun: still good, its reload is a bit longer but thats fine with me
Closing thoughts: Only the bar and p2k's needed a nerf tbh. P2k's still seem ok, bar was overdone. I take pride in my pking to where i focus strictly on skill and could go up against multiple people since that's basically what pking is in a way, and the bar just doesnt hold up due to it being way too slow, you get overwhelmed too quickly, the shipka handled that well tho. These other guns, especially the 8 dmg gun group, shouldnt have been touched at all. BitzSam, youre saying you dont like that people use just certain guns but theres nothing you could really do about that, thats the way the game was built up. Prices vary from like $600-$200,000 gralats due to the prices the staff set, you can't have true balance with that. People will always flock towards the high end stuff because its supposed to be the best, higher prices for high quality and bestter results. People always try to shout "pay2win" due to prices, but this isnt a pay2win game, its more "pay2haveanedge" if anything, not a single person in this game dominates just because they have a bar, gm4, minigun or any high end gun. Era just looks pay2win on the surface but when you actually look into it, its not like that. Calling it pay2win is just being blind about things. Also, that problem was being fixed just by adding more shops, like the ump45 was one of the best things to happen in era because it was pretty much the line to compare other guns to. You could use that for the rest of your graal career if you wanted, it was that well rounded. Anything more was just a personal luxury. Now i wouldnt push people past it. The price-to-performance ratio is messed up, the bar isnt worth it compared to the ump45, neither is the gm4, both had quite an edge due to them costing over twice as much but now that edge is minimal. Also, if this was also to help new players feel like they can compete, theyll just eventually end up getting the same stuff the pros have so thats never gonna change. I know you wanted to go towards the skill route, but this isnt how it should've been done, needed much more time and thought put into it all, not just change it all at once. I know its only been a day, which is why i listed this as day 1, but it doesnt take long to figure out whats going right and wrong when you've been playing for years. Ill be honest as well, Bitzsam, judging by your reaponses to a lot of these posts, you don't seem like you'll change things back no matter what we say, seems to be more of only justifying your actions rather than discussing them.
But most of this is opinion based, I'm sure others had different experiences, but I still do think that this was poorly done
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