And people still were saying not to do this change. You did it anyways, where's the compromise in that? You still didn't listen to anyone that said not to do anything, all you wanted to hear was things in support of your change and maybe you'll change one tiny thing.
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To be fair:Originally Posted by BiTzSam
1. A majority of the player base doesn't use the forums and there were probably many people who came post nerf to express their upset.
2. In light of there not being compromise suggested prior, many people have given feedback and suggestions now that the nerf has been implemented; Including myself. I've been saying since the start a nerf on guns like the bar makes sense and is far, but it honestly went a bit too far.
3. Building on what I said before, you can't expect everyone to understand what the stat numbers look like for guns; this includes myself. Plenty of people feel the nerf is too extreme but can't give an exact compromise because they just know how the game "feels" and are not knowledgeable enough to give exact numbers back to you.
I think most the community would say the following when taking away the banter and insulting (I will be using the bar as an example):
- The bar was powerful compared to other guns and a nerf is fine
- The nerf went too far to justify keeping the bar valued at 200,000
- We payed really money for the bar because Graal is a pay to win style of game (by no fault of its own, the game is supposed to make money for the creators) and as a result we either demand a refund with the price of the gun adjusted to make sense or we demand you tone back how much it was nerfed
I hope you can take a look at what I've said and reflect on these points and realize that bar users are mad because it hurts their ability to have an advantage and non bar users are happy because now they don't have to pay or work as hard to have an advantage. There is nothing wrong with fair and skill based gameplay, but Graal was never designed to be this. There for if Graal is being shifted from a pay to win model to a fair and skill based model, which is fine, then it only makes sense to consider that the player base that has supported this game economically is being screwed over. The fair thing to do is to either turn the dial down some on the nerf to where everyone is only a little upset (bar users are upset that the gun isn't as good and newer players are upset because the gun is still inherently better) or adjust the bar to a more appropriate price range and provide in game currency back in the amount that has been adjusted (if the bar went from 200k to 150k for example then players should receive 50k).
Thank you for taking the time to read my input.
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Yeah, and the other thing is why try and fix something that was never broken? Nobody ever really complained about how era is a p2w game, nor did anyone complain about the bar being too OP. Just Bitzsam.
Personally I like things before because back then BAR users were more of a challenge. Now it just feels like I'm fighting M4 after M4 because so many guns have had their firerate & reload nerfed. Before you actually needed skill to take down BAR users now things are kinda easier & not much difference only slight variety between each gun, you don't really have to wrack your brain around looking for weaknesses. Same for basing before when you saw gun wall you don't go rushing head into it you tried to go behind or ask a friend to be the decoy ( some bases are harder if they gun wall admittedly but gun wall only works if you have superior numbers) . I dunno things seems less challenging now, both in spar & in basing.
Kim Jong Bitz can we make Ion auto again?
Also m8a1 with its extremely big spread is a disadvantage in most circumstances. I'd like to see you use it in basing & tell me its great lol.
Also in spar before its not really that OP before because if I fired it at you you could dodge all of it cus the bullets aren't that close together because of the crazy spread.
Also the guns strength is also its biggest weakness because against m8a1 its a game of timing patience & probability.
Now sadly all guns have weaknesses that is so obvious as day, do we still have option to change stats back?
As a long time user for me I think the problem was mostly a lack of participation in basing & sparring from other players. sparring & basing was always fun provided there was people there, it was fun taking on OP guns or saving up for OP guns & seeing your hard work pay off. Now the midtier guns don''t need to raise their skill level or work as hard as before to match the TOP guns which makes things less challenging.
I stand behind my point that I think the problem was never OP guns because OP guns were fun to take on but the problem is & still is the allies.
As for sparring, I'm not sure what the issue is there, tho things don't seem any better now after the nerf correct me if I'm wrong but it just look like the same bunch of people using different guns maybe even less cause some of them quit.
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I changed my mind on ion carbine, can we try change the reload to what it was before, then see how much you want to balance the firerate with the clip also keep it auto.
That's because he sees things from one angle. Which is why i keep saying it's important for there to be multiple gun admins. A minority were complaining originally yet the change has effected the majority in he long run.
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Please change the ion clip size to at least 13 or 15
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JustJoshuaLikeABoss
What a joke.
True Graal Era has become toxic with admins warring players. Admins pushing new rules & opinions on everyone without repercussions. I'd much rather they create better content rather than the sh*tshow & power abuse we're being forced & coerced into accepting just because they can.
The guns rebalance is important to reduce the inequality in the game. How many times has that been said? Do you not understand?
The money u paid is for the weapon, not to stop any further changes. It's a game with changing inequalities and when the game gets too unfair, the admins need to do something to reduce this inequality.
You don't see this now, and if the guns aren't modified, in the future Therr will be even more issues like unfair gameplay etc and all these carry with them even severe consequences.
If you cant comply with the game policies, then don't play. It's simple as that.
Things just don't get into your head, do they? This topic needs more maturity for discussion to proceed, or else it's not going anywhere.
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A TAX DOES THE BEST ATTACKS ON UNFAIRNESS.
There was nothing that needed rebalancing. Most of us active users were against this move to begin with you''re only buying the assumption this will lead to better game play. Here's a rule of life work harder you get better weapons. The weapons were never a problem it was only an excuse to punish who had better guns & reward those who refused to pay & work hard for better guns the effect of this is an overall drop in challenge factor & slower game play of the game.
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