READ- Weapon Rebalancing

[GenoIndeed]

You realize if all of the guns are changed then the bar still comes out better? You don't even try to take the perspective of individuals who actually appreciate these changes. You are using a personal argument and justifying it as if it matters to everyone. Lets be honest if all of you naysayers didnt have these guns you wouldnt be complaining, but because you do you want "justice". Kind of sad if you think about it. This thread reeks of hypocrisy and lack of proper attitude, if you know one suggestion wont work then quit shoving it down our throats and think of something better.

Also you say my argument is repetitive and overused, well stop and look at yourselves.

Thats what people on your side are doing as well, stop acting like your side is so perfect. People on both sides of this have said to reset everything and find a better way to do this, there's clearly some holes in this so why continue it? That would be the fair and best way, but that doesn't seem to be enough for some of yall. Some of yall are just being intentionally selfish

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All guns weren't changed only top tier guns. People are making valid points. There's hundreds of guns in era. In order to make the game truly balanced you would have to change the stats on every single gun. This last nerf targeted a specific set of highly used guns. It sounds good in theory saying if all guns are changed bar still comes out better but it's not the case. Because all guns were not changed and it's not better statistically speaking. Also your generalizing when you say it's coming from a personal standpoint because i personally will do good basing spar mpx pking etc with or without the nerf. If you take your time and go to complex talk to gangs and take a look at how many people have commented on this thread you can see this is obviously out of the ordinary. Bottom line one gun admin isn't enough to make decisions for 3000 active players. People feel cheated because the weapons performance and the fact weapons that cost less are out performing them. It's not just complaining it's facts. Once again other admins, various gangs, sparers etc have said the guns are devalued it's a legitimate issue that needs to be looked at.


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Yep. Really, this whole ordeal can go away in less than a day, for the better of the game

[Donald]

Yepn they are just so self-centered nothing ever gets into their heads.

They inisist on their argument that their guns are unjustly nerfed. And some when we disagree with their viewpoints , they resort to harassment and mocking to get away with having to confront a conflicting view. It's just too obvious they lack the reasoning abilities and the proper ettiquettes of arguement.

''All who complain about the nerfs are losers'''-Master Sergeant Lyk.
Excuse me whos the one mocking to confront a conflicting view?
Who are you to tell us about reasoning abilities & the proper etiquette of argument?
You act all righteous & respectful here only to have people expose you for who & what you really are in the game a fake.

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You don't even try to take the perspective of individuals who actually don't appreciate these changes. You are using a personal argument and justifying it as if it matters to everyone. Kind of sad if you think about it. This thread reeks of hypocrisy and lack of proper attitude, if you know one suggestion wont work then quit shoving it down our throats and think of something better.

You're talking about BItzsam right?

[Czar Misago]

Listen up all you are all being so stupid that I cant even believe it!

1. Just stfu and stop crying i get it complain first day, I admit i was upset too but im over it LOL

2. How about instead of sitting here crying about it lets talk about some compromises that we can make yea?

3. Hes not going to just remove the nerfs ok I thought you guys would have accepted it by now, like i have and use better sense to at least make our terrible situation a little more tolerable



As for me I would like to see Bar have a clip decrease maybe to like 15 for slightly increased fire rate also with a decrease in spread and higher freeze


Also kf you do decide to touch water staff consider

Lower fire rate with an increased clip

[imaginary]

Listen up all you are all being so stupid that I cant even believe it!

1. Just stfu and stop crying i get it complain first day, I admit i was upset too but im over it LOL

2. How about instead of sitting here crying about it lets talk about some compromises that we can make yea?

3. Hes not going to just remove the nerfs ok I thought you guys would have accepted it by now, like i have and use better sense to at least make our terrible situation a little more tolerable



As for me I would like to see Bar have a clip decrease maybe to like 15 for slightly increased fire rate also with a decrease in spread and higher freeze


Also kf you do decide to touch water staff consider

Lower fire rate with an increased clip

Okk

[Kiwii]

Well may I say
Things in the game are gonna change, There nothing we as people can really do for we are just the voice of the community.
We can only say what is right and what is wrong. The bar and the other good guns...well what can I say are nerfed. Not much we can do. The Higher Elites in the Era world are the ones that pretty much have control of what comes and what goes.

So shall I say
For all -veterans- For things will not stay the same forever. For it will get worst before it gets better. -salut- (Chief in Command)

[Javi Javilian]

It's good that we have people like you (Chief:Kiwii) -Salut- Uhh for are great Nation?

[imaginary]

Well may I say
Things in the game are gonna change, There nothing we as people can really do for we are just the voice of the community.
We can only say what is right and what is wrong. The bar and the other good guns...well what can I say are nerfed. Not much we can do. The Higher Elites in the Era world are the ones that pretty much have control of what comes and what goes.

So shall I say
For all -veterans- For things will not stay the same forever. For it will get worst before it gets better. -salut- (Chief in Command)

Salut مرق ولا ?
ه ه ه

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It's good that we have people like you (Chief:Kiwii) -Salut- Uhh for are great Nation?

Thank u

[XR]

Well may I say
Things in the game are gonna change, There nothing we as people can really do for we are just the voice of the community.
We can only say what is right and what is wrong. The bar and the other good guns...well what can I say are nerfed. Not much we can do. The Higher Elites in the Era world are the ones that pretty much have control of what comes and what goes.

So shall I say
For all -veterans- For things will not stay the same forever. For it will get worst before it gets better. -salut- (Chief in Command)

Why are you saying hello in French. Salut and bonjour mean hi or hello

[BiTzSam]

Listen up all you are all being so stupid that I cant even believe it!

1. Just stfu and stop crying i get it complain first day, I admit i was upset too but im over it LOL

2. How about instead of sitting here crying about it lets talk about some compromises that we can make yea?

3. Hes not going to just remove the nerfs ok I thought you guys would have accepted it by now, like i have and use better sense to at least make our terrible situation a little more tolerable



As for me I would like to see Bar have a clip decrease maybe to like 15 for slightly increased fire rate also with a decrease in spread and higher freeze


Also kf you do decide to touch water staff consider

Lower fire rate with an increased clip

Increasing firerate on bar by any amount will make it faster than gm4/ many other of the high tier guns which kind of defeats the purpose as then all those guns would need to be increased so they don't become 'worse'. Don't forget the gm4/ bar difference is only 13k, gm4s current advantage is only its freeze rate but that doesn't really make much of a difference unless it's a skilled gm4 user against an unskilled bar user

The other stats are open to change, hesitant on freeze because reducing it could make it too good as spar gun as currently the higher freeze is the only deterrent so I'd only really consider a 0.01 reduction at most.
But if you want a lower clip at the exchange of a faster reload time then that can be considered

Such as 15 clip for 0.35 reload

[jaxwashere]

Increasing firerate on bar by any amount will make it faster than gm4/ many other of the high tier guns which kind of defeats the purpose as then all those guns would need to be increased so they don't become 'worse'. Don't forget the gm4/ bar difference is only 13k, gm4s current advantage is only its freeze rate but that doesn't really make much of a difference unless it's a skilled gm4 user against an unskilled bar user

The other stats are open to change, hesitant on freeze because reducing it could make it too good as spar gun as currently the higher freeze is the only deterrent so I'd only really consider a 0.01 reduction at most.
But if you want a lower clip at the exchange of a faster reload time then that can be considered

Such as 15 clip for 0.35 reload

Honestly I feel like you shouldn't even be in a position to touch gun stats anymore. At least not by yourself it should really fall on a group decision.


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