READ- Weapon Rebalancing

[Czar Misago]

Increasing firerate on bar by any amount will make it faster than gm4/ many other of the high tier guns which kind of defeats the purpose as then all those guns would need to be increased so they don't become 'worse'. Don't forget the gm4/ bar difference is only 13k, gm4s current advantage is only its freeze rate but that doesn't really make much of a difference unless it's a skilled gm4 user against an unskilled bar user

The other stats are open to change, hesitant on freeze because reducing it could make it too good as spar gun as currently the higher freeze is the only deterrent so I'd only really consider a 0.01 reduction at most.
But if you want a lower clip at the exchange of a faster reload time then that can be considered

Such as 15 clip for 0.35 reload

Sounds good to me, unless anyone else objects??

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Honestly I feel like you shouldn't even be in a position to touch gun stats anymore. At least not by yourself it should really fall on a group decision.


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See man just think about it logically we can sit here and cry about the nerfs or we can compromise, I hate it just as much as you guys do

[jaxwashere]

Sounds good to me, unless anyone else objects??

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See man just think about it logically we can sit here and cry about the nerfs or we can compromise, I hate it just as much as you guys do

He's not willing to compromise though. He hasn't even addressed the possibility of another gun admin in order to make things fair. All this talk abut balancing guns but still left in one persons hands. Imagine if Trump had all the power and there was no checks and balances system. We're like ok Trump what you did was wrong and he's like let's compromise I'll only bomb certain countries. That's not a compromise it's an authoritarian laying down rules that's what Bitzsam is doing. It's neither balanced or fair and shouldn't just be accepted. At first he said nothing is changing now he's willing to "compromise" because he sees he made mistakes. Truth is he shouldn't have made these changes independently to begin with.


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[XR]

Increasing firerate on bar by any amount will make it faster than gm4/ many other of the high tier guns which kind of defeats the purpose as then all those guns would need to be increased so they don't become 'worse'. Don't forget the gm4/ bar difference is only 13k, gm4s current advantage is only its freeze rate but that doesn't really make much of a difference unless it's a skilled gm4 user against an unskilled bar user

The other stats are open to change, hesitant on freeze because reducing it could make it too good as spar gun as currently the higher freeze is the only deterrent so I'd only really consider a 0.01 reduction at most.
But if you want a lower clip at the exchange of a faster reload time then that can be considered

Such as 15 clip for 0.35 reload

Nerf cripple please thanks. With the new guns, cripple just destroys them, you can't even rush cripple cause the knockback sends you back. I'm getting tired of not being able to defend myself against them and they practically have an unlimited clip, it regenerates way too fast and the knockback seriously needs to be brought down

[BiTzSam]

Honestly I feel like you shouldn't even be in a position to touch gun stats anymore. At least not by yourself it should really fall on a group decision.


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You've repeated the same thing on this thread more times than there have been actual compromises made. You don't want another gun admin you want someone biased by iTunes who wouldn't want things nerfed for their own personal sake.
You want 2 gun admin opinions? Well this thread already has them from myself and meph and both of them are on similar wavelengths in that one way or another these rebalances needed to happen and will happen.

It's up to you to have the change that I have provided you to make compromises so you can potentially have some say to lessen its impact

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Sounds good to me, unless anyone else objects??

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See man just think about it logically we can sit here and cry about the nerfs or we can compromise, I hate it just as much as you guys do

Sounds good to what? The clip reduction for faster reload?

[Abdullah1441]

Man, people are saying very nice words

[Prancer]

You've repeated the same thing on this thread more times than there have been actual compromises made. You don't want another gun admin you want someone biased by iTunes who wouldn't want things nerfed for their own personal sake.
You want 2 gun admin opinions? Well this thread already has them from myself and meph and both of them are on similar wavelengths in that one way or another these rebalances needed to happen and will happen.

It's up to you to have the change that I have provided you to make compromises so you can potentially have some say to lessen its impact

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Sounds good to what? The clip reduction for faster reload?

Name - BAR
Freeze - 0.2
Firerate - 0.3 0.28
Spread - 0.08 0.05
Clip - 20 12
Reload - 0.5
Bullets - 1
Auto - Y
Stacked - N

Willing to give 8 less bullets for faster rof and less spread

[jaxwashere]

You've repeated the same thing on this thread more times than there have been actual compromises made. You don't want another gun admin you want someone biased by iTunes who wouldn't want things nerfed for their own personal sake.
You want 2 gun admin opinions? Well this thread already has them from myself and meph and both of them are on similar wavelengths in that one way or another these rebalances needed to happen and will happen.

It's up to you to have the change that I have provided you to make compromises so you can potentially have some say to lessen its impact

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Sounds good to what? The clip reduction for faster reload?

You want Mephs opinion?



AlsoI keep reiterating myself because the facts haven't changed.


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[Vendhin]

You want Mephs opinion?



AlsoI keep reiterating myself because the facts haven't changed.


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Not taking sides in this, but the staff can never win.
What do you think would happen if we reduced the price of the BAR? - people would demand refunds and complain about our refund policy

[jaxwashere]

Not taking sides in this, but the staff can never win.
What do you think would happen if we reduced the price of the BAR? - people would demand refunds and complain about our refund policy

I don't think it should be refunded personally that doesn't seem realistic. But at the moment it's obviously not worth 200k. So in that case it's reasonable to restore the old stats. Even prior to the nerf if wasn't that great of a weapon. I feel any stat alterations after should be done by a group. Simple things like him removing auto from psg his justification was people are lazy/it's not like that in reality is not coming from someone of reasonable judgment. Some people can only afford one top tier weapon like I said previously. Not me personally but people who have posted on here and people in the game etc.


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[N!chola$]

Not taking sides in this, but the staff can never win.
What do you think would happen if we reduced the price of the BAR? - people would demand refunds and complain about our refund policy

Instead of a refund you could give them a butterfly knife with a special effect.