READ- Weapon Rebalancing

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Honestly the fact there is so much hate and complaining on this post wont help your situation at all. If you have suggestions for changes make them, all you need to do is share an idea that is actually reasonable and fair and I am sure Sam would meet you halfway. I can understand that you arent happy with some of the changes, thats normal like meph has said human nature is to resist change. But that does not mean you should act like children, if you want something changed put your feelings into something more productive.

I asked sam for a slightly larger clip on the shipka and he met me halfway from 14 to 15, I asked him for faster fire rate for a smaller clip with the p2ks and he met me there too. Those changes are the ones you see now and its resulted from normal human conversations with the decency to actually compromise. If you made proper suggestions perhaps you wouldnt be so upset as you are now.


And also thank you Bitzsam for following through on the suggestions, its made a good case for what can happen rather than what is happening currently.

I honestly love this new update.

Thanks Sam.

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Originally Posted by Meph

Went basing last night -- it's much more enjoyable now.
I've always seen basing as the primary goal of this game, and anything that enhances the basing experience is a step in the right direction.

I'm not surprised at all of the flak that Sam is receiving out of this -- he made a change that every Gun Admin since 2011 has wanted to make.

The fact that this conversation has come up numerous times in the past six years is evidence that the change was inevitable.
It wasn't ever a matter of "if", but "when".

The time would eventually have to come when providing an easy way to victory would water down the gameplay to such an extent that it no longer offers enough substance to be attractive.
That time has finally arrived where, by its own evidence, the lack of gang activity has warranted the changes that we have all forecasted for years.

It's natural and expected that those who lost their free ticket to victory are upset.
Truth is, it should have been fixed much sooner.

Gameplay would have been improved much sooner, and I wager our playercount would have been higher if people didn't feel it necessary to purchase a BAR to compete.
Imagine all of the players that have come along, and, when seeing how devastingly overpowered the BAR was, were discouraged from playing.

Also, I see multiple posts about how peoples' "money has been wasted".
There are two sides to that coin -- there are many more people who have purchased other guns, that up until now, stood no chance against the BAR spam.
Depending what side of the coin you're on, there are players out there whose previous investments just took a leap, comparatively to what they were last week.

I encourage you to step away from the forums and check your own inventory -- you may have a gem in there that has taken on new value now that the gap between tiers has shortened.

Looking at the new stats of the BAR, it appears to be very close to an M4, except for 10 damage when perfect, automatic, slightly less spread, and a hefty reload.
Given that the M4 has been long touted as a good multi-purpose gun by the community, one would think that the community would embrace a 10-damage version.

You paid a premium for an advantage, and you still have the advantage of 10 damage, without compromising on fire rate.
The issue is that BAR owners don't want ONE advantage -- they have grown accustomed to having MULTIPLE advantages, without compromising anywhere.

No gun should have this many advantages over others-- the BAR was a mistake.
Every Gun Admin since its release has said "this thing should have never been released."

Had we done the right thing and nerfed it back in 2012, leaving it with only the advantage of 10 damage, we would not be having this conversation right now.
We went against our better judgement and opted to not upset people, and as a result, gameplay has suffered at the hands of people who want the game spoon-fed to them.

This is the reason gun stats are not left to a community vote -- because people are too often motivated by self-interest, instead of thinking of what is best for the game itself.
The Gun Admin is in charge of enhancing gameplay and making sure that it makes sense.

The following statement is evidence that something was wrong:

Somebody who "sucks at the game" should never be on PAR with somebody who has poured time and energy into getting good at the game.

A wallet is not a replacement for time well spent.
If you cannot yet compete without a handicap, you haven't yet earned the right to victory.

The nature of the game is competition.
Develop your fighting abilities, compete against other people, and continually work towards improvement.

Achieving victory as a result of working towards mastery is much more rewarding than swiping your credit card.

You don't see chess players paying cash to reach the status of Grandmaster.
This should not be the case in Era either -- or any competitive arena for that matter.

Respect the game by working towards mastery.

It's in our nature to be resistant to change.
Go out and play it -- realize that you have it within you to win without an outrageous handicap.

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Listen Meph, I think you're a pretty mature and honest guy, but man I gotta critique you on this.

First off why is the BAR being considered overpowered, many many many players beat it on a regular basis using other weapons of higher tiers. You guys think this is some god weapon when in reality it was a high freeze spam gun, just like thompson, metalstorm and ghost ripper, and nobody considered those weapons godly as they practically have better stats apart from the 10 damage.

Every game has a hierarchy system, and usually a payment system, you can sacrifice real money to get these really good items or atleast advance to them, or you can work and move up the ladder. These players with these weapons did that, and through time they achieved goals which logically means they deserve an advantage.

You're right, a wallet doesn't mean you should be successful, but this is 2017 and money makes the world go round, it's so easy to beat a BAR, you just need some skill. After all, this has been the goal, to implement more skill based play, so maybe players who haven't advanced in the weapon ladder (haven't earned the weapons nor put as much time into the game) should learn to adapt until they advance in the weapon ladder.

Now that these changes have occurred, players are struck with the fact that a $55k weapon is better than a $200k weapon, which is wrong, who in the right mind disregards price like that. Thats like pitting a Jalopy against a Lamborghini and having the Jalopy win, THAT MAKES 0 LOGICAL SENSE. Every single game has a price system, the higher the price the better the weapon, and a community is what fuels management, as feedback is taken into consideration once there is a large sum of it. I did not see a single complaint about weapons.

Bitzsam is NOT listening to the community, and the only people agreeing with him either; A.) Don't have these weapons, B.) Haven't advanced in the hierarchy system and they are upset due to the fact they haven't learned to beat the stronger weapons (as its very possible) and C.) Are simply staff and they can't argue back.

This is how the world works, and Sam is yet to notice that the players are the community, and disregarding is only destroying your ego. So how about I help you out? Here's some Suggestions

1.) Allow old gun stats outside of spar complex and in bases

2.) Compensate for the change

3.) Re-wire the weapons so there actually IS a hierarchy system, as right now the weapon ladder is destroyed

@Meph

That 10 dmg doesn't mean anything if those shots aren't landing. Did you actually use a bar or just fought against one? There are far more effective guns in basing, pk, and spar so why would I use it? Its rof is still slow even when tapped so its really easy to dodge. Its been nerfed too hard and I wouldn't recommend it in its current state. And why should nerfing the bar warrant all these other changes?

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Originally Posted by Xur

Listen Meph, I think you're a pretty mature and honest guy, but man I gotta critique you on this.

First off why is the BAR being considered overpowered, many many many players beat it on a regular basis using other weapons of higher tiers. You guys think this is some god weapon when in reality it was a high freeze spam gun, just like thompson, metalstorm and ghost ripper, and nobody considered those weapons godly as they practically have better stats apart from the 10 damage.

Every game has a hierarchy system, and usually a payment system, you can sacrifice real money to get these really good items or atleast advance to them, or you can work and move up the ladder. These players with these weapons did that, and through time they achieved goals which logically means they deserve an advantage.

You're right, a wallet doesn't mean you should be successful, but this is 2017 and money makes the world go round, it's so easy to beat a BAR, you just need some skill. After all, this has been the goal, to implement more skill based play, so maybe players who haven't advanced in the weapon ladder (haven't earned the weapons nor put as much time into the game) should learn to adapt until they advance in the weapon ladder.

Now that these changes have occurred, players are struck with the fact that a $55k weapon is better than a $200k weapon, which is wrong, who in the right mind disregards price like that. Thats like pitting a Jalopy against a Lamborghini and having the Jalopy win, THAT MAKES 0 LOGICAL SENSE. Every single game has a price system, the higher the price the better the weapon, and a community is what fuels management, as feedback is taken into consideration once there is a large sum of it. I did not see a single complaint about weapons.

Bitzsam is NOT listening to the community, and the only people agreeing with him either; A.) Don't have these weapons, B.) Haven't advanced in the hierarchy system and they are upset due to the fact they haven't learned to beat the stronger weapons (as its very possible) and C.) Are simply staff and they can't argue back.

This is how the world works, and Sam is yet to notice that the players are the community, and disregarding is only destroying your ego. So how about I help you out? Here's some Suggestions

1.) Allow old gun stats outside of spar complex and in bases

2.) Compensate for the change

3.) Re-wire the weapons so there actually IS a hierarchy system, as right now the weapon ladder is destroyed

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you forgot 4) Trying to ride admins thinking they will be rewarded with an application

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Originally Posted by Kitx

Just give it some time guys. This change will grow on you.

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Some of these guns are unusable now. Have you gone to spar or based recently? People are using guns that cost less because of the state of the guns nerfed.


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Originally Posted by jaxwashere

Some of these guns are unusable now. Have you gone to spar or based recently? People are using guns that cost less because of the state of the guns nerfed.


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Bar is useless in spar,base and even pk since people can EASILY dodge your bullets

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Originally Posted by Prancer

Bar is useless in spar,base and even pk since people can EASILY dodge your bullets

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Exactly the game is severely imbalanced now. This had the opposite effect than what was intended. I mean plenty of nerfs have happened in the past but not like this. Majority of admins use these weapons for free on there admin account. Get free grallets on there main. So they don't understand the effort. 15k spar wins is a lot 150k this takes players years in most cases. I don't think an admin that doesn't even have close to these stats should be touching gun stats. Bar cost $100 or a hell of a lot of digging etc i was using it less after last nerf for psg but now it's completely unusable.


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I completely supported the fact in which the bar needed a nerf for sure, along with a few of the other guns- but my problem is the bar seems obsolete now. I base now to see the shipka as well as the pbp more as opposed to the primarily bar, due to the bar nerf. The rof being nerfed makes the gun almost unusable when facing the shipka with a high rate of fire and two bullets, and overall it's 10 damage benefactor still seems to hold no ground when facing a thompson in spar, default rifle, p2ks, etc. (although this could also be due to my lack of skill, but even so facing those same players with a glock allowed me to win.) You have stated this change would keep the gun tiers the same, but that's not the case. There are certainly better guns for basing now (pbp, shipka) and for sparring, (thompson, shipka, etc.). My problem is, the gun hierarchy has changed- though you have stated it would not. It's a subjective opinion, you could still say the bar is better than these guns due to it's 10 damage, but I could also say the gm4 is better because of it's higher fire rate and reload time. I'm all for the idea for nerfing guns to make the game more balanced, but the bar seems not as good compared to certain cheaper guns now. The 10 damage factor doesn't have as much as an effect now since the fire rate is so abnormally low, it'd be hard to kill a gun with a higher fire rate and lower freeze like for example, again, the shipka. The bar seems more similar to the scar now. The scar is cheaper, and also does 10 damage. The scar has a clip of 15 and with the changes, the freeze of the bar is similar as well as rof, but the reload is slightly faster on the scar. I understand there is a week to see if changes are necessessary and to clarify, I'm not saying to revert these changes. I'm proposing the bar be slightly buffed to keep it ahead of the pbp and shipka, as they seem to be the primary basing guns at this moment. I'm all for variety, but all these changes have done is shifted the meta to pbp and shipka being the overused paytoplay guns in base, and as opposed to keeping the bar in it's place as the greater gun to the cheaper guns, it's been nerfed to a point where cheaper guns reign supreme.

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Originally Posted by Jacob Graal

I completely supported the fact in which the bar needed a nerf for sure, along with a few of the other guns- but my problem is the bar seems obsolete now. I base now to see the shipka as well as the pbp more as opposed to the primarily bar, due to the bar nerf. The rof being nerfed makes the gun almost unusable when facing the shipka with a high rate of fire and two bullets, and overall it's 10 damage benefactor still seems to hold no ground when facing a thompson in spar, default rifle, p2ks, etc. (although this could also be due to my lack of skill, but even so facing those same players with a glock allowed me to win.) You have stated this change would keep the gun tiers the same, but that's not the case. There are certainly better guns for basing now (pbp, shipka) and for sparring, (thompson, shipka, etc.). My problem is, the gun hierarchy has changed- though you have stated it would not. It's a subjective opinion, you could still say the bar is better than these guns due to it's 10 damage, but I could also say the gm4 is better because of it's higher fire rate and reload time. I'm all for the idea for nerfing guns to make the game more balanced, but the bar seems not as good compared to certain cheaper guns now. The 10 damage factor doesn't have as much as an effect now since the fire rate is so abnormally low, it'd be hard to kill a gun with a higher fire rate and lower freeze like for example, again, the shipka. The bar seems more similar to the scar now. The scar is cheaper, and also does 10 damage. The scar has a clip of 15 and with the changes, the freeze of the bar is similar as well as rof, but the reload is slightly faster on the scar. I understand there is a week to see if changes are necessessary and to clarify, I'm not saying to revert these changes. I'm proposing the bar be slightly buffed to keep it ahead of the pbp and shipka, as they seem to be the primary basing guns at this moment. I'm all for variety, but all these changes have done is shifted the meta to pbp and shipka being the overused paytoplay guns in base, and as opposed to keeping the bar in it's place as the greater gun to the cheaper guns, it's been nerfed to a point where cheaper guns reign supreme.

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They are using the shipka because they are unable to adapt to the new bar stats. I was base pking with the bar against mostly shipkas and they were very easy to kill. Just run around them and shoot them or wait for them to come to you. The shipka has more freeze than bar and because its faster, if they spam the gun then they have very little mobility which makes it very easy to hit your 5 shot and kill them.

P2k is a reward gun and also costs 200k, don't know why you mentioned that as at the bare minimum it should be equal to BAR not worse than it. Even still the bar holds a good chance of winning if you aren't someone who bought BAR as a replacement for skill.

GM4 does not have a higher firerate, the bar and gm4 share the same firerate. Gm4s main advantage is its lower freeze, if you put two equally skilled opponents against eachother the BAR will still win most matches in spar and in bases.

Use the scar if you feel its better, scar has a shorter reload yes but its reload sleep is higher than BAR. Use it and you will see what I mean. The rate of fire is also fairly slower, almost the same gap in speed as the reduction to firerate the bar got.


People using shipka doesn't mean it's 'better' than the BAR, it is just an easy to use gun that they can spam easier than the BAR. Lots of players want the easiest to use weapon as they don't have to put much effort into gun fights and can just kill unskilled players by default who don't know how to deal with a spammy gun.
Again- put two equally skilled players against eachother and the bar will win most times

"See you in two weeks." -BiTzSam; 2017

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

They are using the shipka because they are unable to adapt to the new bar stats. I was base pking with the bar against mostly shipkas and they were very easy to kill. Just run around them and shoot them or wait for them to come to you. The shipka has more freeze than bar and because its faster, if they spam the gun then they have very little mobility which makes it very easy to hit your 5 shot and kill them.

P2k is a reward gun and also costs 200k, don't know why you mentioned that as at the bare minimum it should be equal to BAR not worse than it. Even still the bar holds a good chance of winning if you aren't someone who bought BAR as a replacement for skill.

GM4 does not have a higher firerate, the bar and gm4 share the same firerate. Gm4s main advantage is its lower freeze, if you put two equally skilled opponents against eachother the BAR will still win most matches in spar and in bases.

Use the scar if you feel its better, scar has a shorter reload yes but its reload sleep is higher than BAR. Use it and you will see what I mean. The rate of fire is also fairly slower, almost the same gap in speed as the reduction to firerate the bar got.


People using shipka doesn't mean it's 'better' than the BAR, it is just an easy to use gun that they can spam easier than the BAR. Lots of players want the easiest to use weapon as they don't have to put much effort into gun fights and can just kill unskilled players by default who don't know how to deal with a spammy gun.
Again- put two equally skilled players against eachother and the bar will win most times

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Actually the gm4 would win most matches against the bar due to its freeze and only needing just 1 more bullet. The shipka being a dual bullet gun is designed to spam, what other purpose would it even have? And the shipka is more effective than the bar now, bars too slow to make use of its dmg properly. Also, p2ks dont have much of a counter anymore since theyre still spammy and you nerfed other guns for no valid reason. Can you accept the fact that maybe you're wrong and reset everything and work on the bar little by little til its balanced and worthwhile? Then do the p2ks. Then the shipka. Then leave everything else alone since they were never an issue to begin with.

This is utter rubbish I for one did not buy BAR for it to become object to multiple stat related changes. I paid for something and its not what i paid for. Utter rubbish should I call my bank and tell them i was scammed ?

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

They are using the shipka because they are unable to adapt to the new bar stats. I was base pking with the bar against mostly shipkas and they were very easy to kill. Just run around them and shoot them or wait for them to come to you. The shipka has more freeze than bar and because its faster, if they spam the gun then they have very little mobility which makes it very easy to hit your 5 shot and kill them.

P2k is a reward gun and also costs 200k, don't know why you mentioned that as at the bare minimum it should be equal to BAR not worse than it. Even still the bar holds a good chance of winning if you aren't someone who bought BAR as a replacement for skill.

GM4 does not have a higher firerate, the bar and gm4 share the same firerate. Gm4s main advantage is its lower freeze, if you put two equally skilled opponents against eachother the BAR will still win most matches in spar and in bases.

Use the scar if you feel its better, scar has a shorter reload yes but its reload sleep is higher than BAR. Use it and you will see what I mean. The rate of fire is also fairly slower, almost the same gap in speed as the reduction to firerate the bar got.


People using shipka doesn't mean it's 'better' than the BAR, it is just an easy to use gun that they can spam easier than the BAR. Lots of players want the easiest to use weapon as they don't have to put much effort into gun fights and can just kill unskilled players by default who don't know how to deal with a spammy gun.
Again- put two equally skilled players against eachother and the bar will win most times

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Out of curiosity, why should the p2ks be equal to the BAR? Shouldn't they be better?...

Admins, Admin wannabe, aspiring admin be like " this is your masterpiece sam, i agree with u sam, i love you sam"

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Originally Posted by Celestial

Admins, Admin wannabe, aspiring admin be like " this is your masterpiece sam, i agree with u sam, i love you sam"

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Fr and people who dont even have the guns that were nerfed saying that its good

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Originally Posted by hohi416

Fr and people who dont even have the guns that were nerfed saying that its good

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Dude when i search player relaion in player search im shock i tap those admins and mostly i see last log off 10 days ago 12 days ago 20 days ago i said omg.

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Bitszam i tell things to the point i hate this xur sometimes hes just commenting for his sake but this time for me his right.

Xurs comments are 100% biased and appeals to you because you share his reasons. Guarantee you if he had the m4a3/ a gun that wasn't as significantly impacted he'd be fine with it the same way he said he was ok with the changes before the vector was included in the list

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Originally Posted by Xur

Considering I don't even use gm4 I'd be fine with those changes. They seem ok.

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Originally Posted by Xur

The one gun I use isn't even on the list, I have practically every major non-auction weapon of course I'm concerned about them all

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Originally Posted by Dolloway

Out of curiosity, why should the p2ks be equal to the BAR? Shouldn't they be better?...

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I said as a bare minimum they should be equal, you either didn't read my post in full or you miss read it as the point of what I was saying was bar wasn't meant to be better

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Originally Posted by Celestial

Admins, Admin wannabe, aspiring admin be like " this is your masterpiece sam, i agree with u sam, i love you sam"

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Yea so just because they have a better understanding of how game balance works and can see the benefits fairer gameplay provides means and don't share the same opinion as you means they are only supporting it because they want to be staff? Seriously?

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

Xurs comments are 100% biased and appeals to you because you share his reasons. Guarantee you if he had the m4a3/ a gun that wasn't as significantly impacted he'd be fine with it the same way he said he was ok with the changes before the vector was included in the list

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The thing is if these guns had the stats you gave them to begin with people would not have purchased them. The reload time on p2k is ridiculous. Bar rof is unbearable. People purchased the weapons because the stats but your not addressing the fact people wasted time and money because it's not what they purchased originally. These are major changes not small ones. I feel bad for people who just got these guns. Regarding of how you see it the general conspiracy is this recent nerf was too much. There's nothing wrong with him agreeing with Xur you cant speculate on what his opinion would or wouldn't be. You talk about compromise in another post but will you? I don't think having another gun admin is a bad idea your knowledgeable but not perfect better choices can be made by multiple people.


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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

Yea so just because they have a better understanding of how game balance works and can see the benefits fairer gameplay provides means and don't share the same opinion as you means they are only supporting it because they want to be staff? Seriously?

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That or there kissing *** because apparently you're incapable of mistakes.


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Sorry but that is just a stupid comment to make. "Anyone else who shares a different opinion only do it to suck up to someone"

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

Sorry but that is just a stupid comment to make. "Anyone else who shares a different opinion only do it to suck up to someone"

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Regardless this situation needs to be moderated by a group not a singular person. People have different playing styles objectives and time spent on Era. I suggest everyone who has a problem with the recent changes continue to voice your opinion.


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Yea and people who have made unbiased suggestions have had their suggestions implemented IE- one person in this entire thread. Your answer is just 'revert changes' despite this being the 5th I've had to say this, if you want to compromise then post a statistical compromise.

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Originally Posted by Psycho Adelphos

Honestly the fact there is so much hate and complaining on this post wont help your situation at all. If you have suggestions for changes make them, all you need to do is share an idea that is actually reasonable and fair and I am sure Sam would meet you halfway. I can understand that you arent happy with some of the changes, thats normal like meph has said human nature is to resist change. But that does not mean you should act like children, if you want something changed put your feelings into something more productive.

I asked sam for a slightly larger clip on the shipka and he met me halfway from 14 to 15, I asked him for faster fire rate for a smaller clip with the p2ks and he met me there too. Those changes are the ones you see now and its resulted from normal human conversations with the decency to actually compromise. If you made proper suggestions perhaps you wouldnt be so upset as you are now.


And also thank you Bitzsam for following through on the suggestions, its made a good case for what can happen rather than what is happening currently.

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You keeping making the argument that I am not listening or I am not working with anyone else. It goes both ways, It's most of you who are the ones ignoring anything I say, are providing stubborn responses unwilling to compromise or even try the changes when I am going beyond what I need to in posting what's being done, their reasons and responding to most points.

If you really want to see what me ignoring the community looks like I'll just stop posting on the forums or giving you responses. If you're just going to object with no reasonable compromise then that's the direction it'll go

Guys listen bitzsam does not listen to poeple that have a different opinion to him

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Originally Posted by hohi416

Guys listen bitzsam does not listen to poeple that have a different opinion to him

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Self centered i notice that he dont listen

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

Yea and people who have made unbiased suggestions have had their suggestions implemented IE- one person in this entire thread. Your answer is just 'revert changes' despite this being the 5th I've had to say this, if you want to compromise then post a statistical compromise.



You keeping making the argument that I am not listening or I am not working with anyone else. It goes both ways, It's most of you who are the ones ignoring anything I say, are providing stubborn responses unwilling to compromise or even try the changes when I am going beyond what I need to in posting what's being done, their reasons and responding to most points.

If you really want to see what me ignoring the community looks like I'll just stop posting on the forums or giving you responses. If you're just going to object with no reasonable compromise then that's the direction it'll go

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You single handedly made these changes. The stats should be reverted back to the original. Then a group needs to come to a decision if any necessary changes are needed. Your open for "compromise" now because it was an obvious mistake to begin with to alter major gun stats this drastically.


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To be honest, contrary to my prior belief, i actually like the changes a lot. There is wide variety of guns that have characteristics about them that you can use to your advantage. However, bar is not great whatsoever lol no matter how many times you want to mention the tap fire thing. Once i face a bar i know they're in a disadvantage and it's been way to easy for me so yeah, i know you've heard this a lot but bar really needs a change. The change is good and all but no matter how successful it is, you can't keep going against the community like that in situations like these as it will really backfire on you eventually. Although i don't mind that much, i also understand why someone with a small inventory whose only strong weapon is a bar can get upset. The bar has been the meta for very long as it was dominant in all areas so changes like these were probably very unexpected for them.

One person should not be assigned to make all of the changes period. Balance also has to relate to the era economy and take into consideration there's people who have spent thousands of dollars and the products no longer function as originally advertised. Not even close to original functionality. Functionality, price and use type are all factors. People fort, base, pk, event and spar the changes effect all these areas and more.


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The people had only asked for the bar to be nerfed, not to this extent, but nerfed. The other changes were done only by your personal preference, BitzSam, not ours. We had no say in anything. We didn't even get to talk about the bars final stats before it was nerfed and that was the biggest issue. And then, all you do is talk about how wrong we are about your ideas we didn't ask for. The guns had a fair price to performance ratio and now thats all messed up, the games pacing feels clunky and awkward which takes a lot of the fun out of the game since eras always had a smooth yet quick gameplay. Best thing to do is to reset everything, and focus on the major issues being the bar and p2ks for now

THE NERF IS GOOD. And this is coming from a guy who has nearly 250k PK kills, and is pretty decent at sparring as well.

I finally see more gun variety. I finally see how ridiculously bad most people are when it comes to basing. This 'nerf' is really a buff to all the players who've actually taken the time to get friggin' good. Stop whining, and get practicing.


And don't say that I don't know what the hell I'm talking about. I've been on iEra a little time after the game started, and even though guns like the BAR were fun and easy to use, as a post said a few pages back (I think Meph said it), it was a terrible decision to put the BAR in. After that, it just became P2W. So yeah, the firerate may be wonky, and the reload time is iffy, but if you put the time and effort into getting good, it's like the guns weren't nerfed.

Rant over, stop *****ing already and get to it.

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The people had only asked for the bar to be nerfed, not to this extent, but nerfed. The other changes were done only by your personal preference, BitzSam, not ours. We had no say in anything. We didn't even get to talk about the bars final stats before it was nerfed and that was the biggest issue. And then, all you do is talk about how wrong we are about your ideas we didn't ask for. The guns had a fair price to performance ratio and now thats all messed up, the games pacing feels clunky and awkward which takes a lot of the fun out of the game since eras always had a smooth yet quick gameplay. Best thing to do is to reset everything, and focus on the major issues being the bar and p2ks for now

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You said you worked on zone as a gun admin so I don't really see why I need to explain to you why that can't be the case.

The two main guns causing issues were the BAR and the GM4/ION. If both of those guns are nerfed and every other gun is left, then the guns around the statistical level of those two guns would then become superior to the BAR/ GM4.
You can't just nerf the best gun in the game and leave other guns unchanged as then they will just switch to the new 'best' gun and the issues will still persist

Apparently maturity is lacking in this forums thread, I feel bad for all of the people who are satisfied with the changes as I am. The fact so many people cannot adapt to the change or even attempt to take a positive spin on it is the real issue. Just because you bought something doesn't mean you should have a large advantage over someone. This used to be a pay2win game but with these changes its slowly becoming more skill based, which is important in my opinion. Money shouldn't be equivalent to how far you get, you didn't earn anything, you just bought your way up. Your failure to adapt only shows your weakness as a player and the fact that you need to grow. If you dont want to put in the time to be an actual good player then don't complain. You spent money yes, but you aren't the only person who was affected by the changes, in fact I have a lot of the guns that were changed yet you dont see me crying about it.


It isnt always about you, and what you feel isnt how everyone feels, so before you slam others and call them idiots or wannabes or anything of the like remember what you feel in the end is just one out of hundreds of different responses.

I'm just going to state again to the people on here who agree the way Era handles weapon changes is a problem. Continue to address your concern on the forum. There is nothing wrong with that it's what forums are for.


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Originally Posted by jaxwashere

I'm just going to state again to the people on here who agree the way Era handles weapon changes is a problem. Continue to address your concern on the forum. There is nothing wrong with that it's what forums are for.


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Forums tend to echo like an echo chamber to a certain extent.
People who are unhappy are more likely to post their thoughts than those who are happy- thereby reinforcing their beliefs when other people agree with them
Edit: You see less positive thoughts about the change than negative, not that i'm trying to invalidate peoples opinions or thoughts on the issue- i'm just trying to say that most of the forum comments regarding this issue are of one particular side/viewpoint but that viewpoint might not accurately reflect how a lot of the people who play the game actually think.

" #Complex is the new astro " I don't see that happening to be honest .
Players will either quit or join the MPX community
You've ruined basing and pking , and anyone who disagrees with that is just trying to "suck up"

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Originally Posted by Xur

Here's some Suggestions

1.) Allow old gun stats outside of spar complex and in bases

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I totally agree with that ^

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Forums tend to echo like an echo chamber to a certain extent.
People who are unhappy are more likely to post their thoughts than those who are happy- thereby reinforcing their beliefs when other people agree with them
Edit: You see less positive thoughts about the change than negative, not that i'm trying to invalidate peoples opinions or thoughts on the issue- i'm just trying to say that most of the forum comments regarding this issue are of one particular side/viewpoint but that viewpoint might not accurately reflect how a lot of the people who play the game actually think.

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I agree with that people tend to ride the band wagon. But if you go to the spar complex you see the obvious change or just look at the spar scores, talk to people and read there status. Also the basing community you can just read gangs status and people's comments. People have created gangs for the sole purpose of wanting the guns changed back to original status. Three years in forums and four playing era I've never seen the amount of disagreement about a change this high. This change should be up for discussion and not ignored by the admins.


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Use the gun for a week before you start demanding any changes. It's actually ridiculous that people are so unwilling to even try. The changes haven't even been in place for a day. Most people have spent more time complaining than they have actually using the gun.

If you want me to take your complaint seriously don't expect me to do so when you haven't even given the change a chance. Once people start to realise that they can potentially be a better player despite the nerf because they learnt how to use the new stats properly and can take advantage over the less skilled players who relied on the gun to do the majority of the work you will see this change could be for the better.

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I mean seriously. 70% of the people complaining ingame haven't even looked at the Erago changes and are just joining in because their friend told them to

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Thats just how bad it is, do you really think you've fix anything? Players will still find a way around this nerf buying guns as fast and spammy as your akimbo glock, or metal storm or still use guns like the pbp assault rifle for spar that although glock and pbp assault rifle have a considerably lower damage we are now more vulnerable than ever to lose against them.


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You said you worked on zone as a gun admin so I don't really see why I need to explain to you why that can't be the case.

The two main guns causing issues were the BAR and the GM4/ION. If both of those guns are nerfed and every other gun is left, then the guns around the statistical level of those two guns would then become superior to the BAR/ GM4.
You can't just nerf the best gun in the game and leave other guns unchanged as then they will just switch to the new 'best' gun and the issues will still persist

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You're literally ignoring everything I say, listen to me for once. There were no issues I don't understand where you got that idea from? Bar could've easily just had it's damage reduced by 1 and everything would've been fine. There is no problem with gm4 whatsoever, as YOU said it's got less freeze than a bar just 1 less damage, making it practically the same thing. Ion had no problem, it's just the hitbox is broken but the gun isn't used outside complex. So tell me, what problems?