Basing System Rework

Hey Bitzsam, you are making gz and mafia fort alike neo. If you are adding heal room to other bases, fort will be dead

Ok sir bitzsam
after seeing that gz and mafia have spawn points now
tell me as a forter how can we forters even benefit from killing 300+ now since bases have spawn points now? This just makes our pks SLOW NOW
Basically every base is going to turn neo now -.-
It hurts to see i wont be killing a lot anymore

Hey BitzSam, Why adding high freeze on the food when you eat them, that literally ruin the purpose of having food ingame because you could just get killed while eating one so why would we use a food if we can stay alive more longer without eating food than within eating food. You should do like the grenades on neo, add a cooldown of 10-15 seconds between each food you eat

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Originally Posted by Trix

Hey Bitzsam, you are making gz and mafia fort alike neo. If you are adding heal room to other bases, fort will be dead

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walking an extra 8 seconds each time you die isn't going to impact the 100s of kills you can get in that event compared to if you just played normally

Everything about current updates is cool but fort will be dead if every bases turn into neo. I have been watching gz fort after the updates. It was totally awful, at sometimes I can only see 6-7 in lobby. So I think something has to be done.

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

walking an extra 8 seconds each time you die isn't going to impact the 100s of kills you can get in that event compared to if you just played normally

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You should look at the gz and neo fort scene. You will soon know what I am trying to say. It is true what duke said, you have to experience player gameplay difficulity. Join a short 30 minutes fort. No offense.

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Originally Posted by Trix

Everything about current updates is cool but fort will be dead if every bases turn into neo. I have been watching gz fort after the updates. It was totally awful, at sometimes I can only see 6-7 in lobby. So I think something has to be done.

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You should look at the gz and neo fort scene. You will soon know what I am trying to say. It is true what duke said, you have to experience player gameplay difficulity. Join a short 30 minutes fort. No offense.

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As I said earlier in the thread, fort is getting updated soon to work slightly differently, to which the recent updates will make sense for fort

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Originally Posted by Azuko

Ok sir bitzsam
after seeing that gz and mafia have spawn points now
tell me as a forter how can we forters even benefit from killing 300+ now since bases have spawn points now? This just makes our pks SLOW NOW
Basically every base is going to turn neo now -.-
It hurts to see i wont be killing a lot anymore

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I don’t like that aswell. Neo is dead for a reason

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

walking an extra 8 seconds each time you die isn't going to impact the 100s of kills you can get in that event compared to if you just played normally

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Supposing that a player can get a constant rate of about 2 kills every 8 seconds (which is VERY good) and dies roughly each 10 seconds, having to spend 8 seconds to walk back to the action will cost him roughly 45 kills each 3 minutes. That is 10 minutes worth of forting wasted getting back to he crowd, but hey, these are just estimates. However, they're still true. Also, it is a known fact that the least kills are achieved at neo compared to the other bases. The problem you'll be causing will lightly affect the players compared to how it would affect a whole gang that is forting costing the gang roughly 675 kills (using the same calculations for a single player supposing there is only 15 members forting).

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Originally Posted by iMagicBae

Supposing that a player can get a constant rate of about 2 kills every 8 seconds (which is VERY good) and dies roughly each 10 seconds, having to spend 8 seconds to walk back to the action will cost him roughly 45 kills each 3 minutes. That is 10 minutes worth of forting wasted getting back to he crowd, but hey, these are just estimates. However, they're still true. Also, it is a known fact that the least kills are achieved at neo compared to the other bases. The problem you'll be causing will lightly affect the players compared to how it would affect a whole gang that is forting costing the gang roughly 675 kills (using the same calculations for a single player supposing there is only 15 members forting).

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True, this in all honestly isn’t a good idea, forting is dead now and the whole purpose for allies is to allow gangs to have 15 ranks on a main tag so they can recruit on sub. This is now restricting that and gangs aren’t able to rec enough members. Food was the most pointless nerf, just like how you nerfed egg shots to only going 1 direction, but then changing it back the next day

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Originally Posted by XR

True, this in all honestly isn’t a good idea, forting is dead now and the whole purpose for allies is to allow gangs to have 15 ranks on a main tag so they can recruit on sub. This is now restricting that and gangs aren’t able to rec enough members. Food was the most pointless nerf, just like how you nerfed egg shots to only going 1 direction, but then changing it back the next day

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What you mean by not being able to rec enough members is not having enough people to do 2v1? Food should be nerfed. You are lightsout lead, you should know how annoying when pkers healing during a fight.

The argument seems to have shifted from basing to how this has affected forging. First of all by adding a healing room to selective bases you are giving an advantage to the gang holding the base which gives no reason to complain. Do people really not find it annoying when they kill someone and then 2 seconds later they come running back in. Also, the nerf to the food would give heal staffs a point in a base and would also stop people from running and healing. On this thread it has also been said that fort would be adjusted.

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Originally Posted by Zernov

The argument seems to have shifted from basing to how this has affected forging. First of all by adding a healing room to selective bases you are giving an advantage to the gang holding the base which gives no reason to complain. Do people really not find it annoying when they kill someone and then 2 seconds later they come running back in. Also, the nerf to the food would give heal staffs a point in a base and would also stop people from running and healing. On this thread it has also been said that fort would be adjusted.

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The faster people re-enter the forting crowd the more chances you have of killing them again. Giving the gang holding the base a healing advantage with beds and the food nerf is the stupidest thing ever, further dificulting how hard it already is to break through the bullet walls that they set up, This game needs to stop changing things because its never for the better. Healing staffs have always had a purpose, food is an expandable resource, healing staffs aren't.

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Originally Posted by Trix

What you mean by not being able to rec enough members is not having enough people to do 2v1? Food should be nerfed. You are lightsout lead, you should know how annoying when pkers healing during a fight.

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I’m not even in that gang lol

The recent fort at BBZ had the top gang having 370 kills... that’s down from the usual 4k+

The point of these changes isn't to let you get a few more kills in the fort EVENT this is about basing. Capturing and taking a base.
Fort itself is going to be changed to where the PKs you get only count towards the fort score if they're from the gang currently holding the base. The respawn rooms weren't added for fort, but they will be beneficial for fort when the focus is now on capturing the base, and then pking rather than just pking, where that extra time people have to spend running back to the base will give the defenders a chance to heal up

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

Highly encourage you to fully read all the points before you comment


Over the years the basing system has devolved from being a competitive environment to somewhere that facilitates creating alliances that allow for the current dominant gangs to hold multiple bases, often uncontested from any real attackers that have a chance of holding that base by themselves if they manage to take it.

Bases can literally 'AFK' hours in long instances where their held bases are completely empty of any attackers or competition. This has ultimately depleted the motivation for any new gangs to try enter the basing scene without the help of some alliance.

We have seen complaints about the current system recently, and over the years both ingame and on forums. There have been multiple discussions on what can be done about it, and a recent staff discussion has led to a possible solution that aims to:
- INCREASE BASING COMPETITION
- REMOVE ALLIANCES
- REIGNITE THE BASING SCENE

The idea is as follows;

- Gangs will be separated into two categories. Gangs WITH over 10,000 basing hours and gangs that have under 10,000 basing hours.
- Gangs that have over 10,000 base hours will be locked out of the current existing bases. This means if you are on the gang tag of a gang with over 10,000 hours, you will not be able to enter the base/ take the flag.
- Gangs with under 10,000 base hours will continue to be able to take the existing bases as usual.

FOR GANGS WITH OVER 10,000 BASE HOURS
- You will now have to base in a Gang Fortress
- The Gang Fortress will be a new base added to the game, that consists of 3 separate flags within a single giant base (effectively 3 gang bases housed into one area).
- The flags can be captured by up to 3 different gangs. (so effectively 3 gangs can be earning hours at once).
- Only members on a gang tag over 10,000 gang hours will be able to enter the base. No gang allies, no Offtag members.
- Each of the 3 base areas will be different, and every 4 months the 3 bases will be completely changed into a set of 3 completely new base layouts. This will happen a total of 3 times over a 1 year period. This means you will effectively have 9 different bases put on a rotation of 3 bases at a time so that you don't get bored of the same area for extended periods of time.

FOR THE EXISTING GANG BASES
- Door and Vault (flag) HP values will be INCREASED. Meaning it will take more damage to destroy a door/ take a base.
- A possible change down the line is that the gang hour earn rate for a gang holding 2 bases is halved in the second base. (so instead of earning 2x hours from holding 2 bases you will only earn 1.5)

FOR BOTH CATEGORIES (under and over 10k base hours)
- A seasonal gang point system will be added. The season will be every 3 months.
- Every 3 months, the top 5 gangs with the most hours earnt in that 3 month period will earn gang points depending on their position. (this is separate for gangs within the 10,000 and under 10,000 base hour category- so top 5 in under 10k hours and top 5 in the base fortress over 10k).
- The gang points can be saved up and then spent by the gang leader on new gang rewards that are based around cosmetics. (eg a gang flag, gang themed furniture, gang vehicles etc are just beginner ideas).
- After 3 months the scores will reset and gangs will have to compete for the top 5 earnt hours again.
- These gang points have no pre-requisite (meaning a gang starting at 0 hours could base for 3 months, be in the top 5 and earn gang points they can spend).
- gang ally protection will be removed. You will still be able to have up to 5 gang allies, but you will no longer not take damage from allies inside bases- anyone not on your current gang tag can be hurt/ killed.
- Removing the ability to run through gang doors when you hold the base, you must grab the door/ door button first to open it
- Possible additional change is slightly increasing the cooldown when healing with foods/ medkits when inside bases.

Current reward system
- In regards to the current gang hour rewards, all rewards above 35,000 gang hours that are currently ingame will be removed, essentially capping gang rewards at 35k.
- The gang hideout gang hour requirement will also be increased from its current value to roughly 12.5k base hours and replaced with something like more gang hats. (what to replace it with hasn't really been decided yet).

That's it for the changes really.
The hope is that the Base Fortress will become a competitive war environment where gangs above 10,000 base hours are forced to fight each other to earn hours due to the limited amount of bases up for grabs. This will significantly decrease the ability to form alliances, and remove the ability to 'afk' base hours uncontested.
Will also free up basing for newer gangs to essentially have a fresh start at basing, and increase the overall basing competition from there being more active gangs due to the gang point incentive to consistently base, as those rewards are essentially free to any gang and not locked behind hour requirements.

The staff discussion was pretty large so hopefully I didn't miss anything, i'll try answer some questions about it- just not anything already listed in the thread.

NOTE
These changes are pretty extensive and will take a while to implement (have to make 3-6 new bases for the gang fortress to have the 3 ready for release with 3 on hold for the next rotation, in addition to the gang point sytem).
As a result there is no set time frame on when these changes will happen aside from it being made a priority hopefully starting on the base levels as soon as possible.

Regarding gangs already at the required hours waiting for their gang hideout- as long as you can have your hideout finished, and you had 4k hours at the time of the change then you can still get the reward added

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Hi bitzsam, I am LYK from the Southridge Communist Party.

I think that you should increase the number of flags available in the fortress for gangs above 10k to 5, and instead enable friendly-fire so that gangs that work hard enough will be still be able to get a base for a longer period of time, while at the same time making things harder as is intended.

By friendly-fire i mean gang members will do damage to one another if they do not watch who they are shooting.

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

The point of these changes isn't to let you get a few more kills in the fort EVENT this is about basing. Capturing and taking a base.
Fort itself is going to be changed to where the PKs you get only count towards the fort score if they're from the gang currently holding the base. The respawn rooms weren't added for fort, but they will be beneficial for fort when the focus is now on capturing the base, and then pking rather than just pking, where that extra time people have to spend running back to the base will give the defenders a chance to heal up

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Also the GZ heal room is pointless, that base is massive as it is

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Originally Posted by XR

Also the GZ heal room is pointless, that base is massive as it is

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If all bases got a heal room except GZ then the size of GZ wouldn't matter anymore.

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Takes 10 seconds to run from mafia entrance to the flag room.

In GZ It takes 20 seconds to go from the entrance to the flag room.

Since mafia got a respawn room, that adds 8 more seconds so it now takes 18 seconds to go from the heal room back to the flag room, compared to only 2 seconds more at GZ without the flag room even though GZ is a much bigger base.

Thats why GZ also got a flag room, so that BOTH bases take an extra 6-8 seconds so that they remain the same as before

This makes it so less people will attack gz...


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Why not making subs deal dmg but less than unallied gangs because lets be honest it makes no sense having a allied gang u can just use any other tag to make it more logical subs deals 50% dmg to main or more or less at least they are different than non allied gangs


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Originally Posted by Beo

Why not making subs deal dmg but less than unallied gangs because lets be honest it makes no sense having a allied gang u can just use any other tag to make it more logical subs deals 50% dmg to main or more or less at least they are different than non allied gangs


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This is actually a good idea and I agree with beo for once

Really crazy how long u got to wait to heal just to pk-_- certain stuff should be left alone instead of ruining it


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Originally Posted by Last

Really crazy how long u got to wait to heal just to pk-_- certain stuff should be left alone instead of ruining it


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It was done to balance things out as people were abusing the feature

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Originally Posted by Last

Really crazy how long u got to wait to heal just to pk-_- certain stuff should be left alone instead of ruining it


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If you heal while pking than you are doing something wrong. It wastes time and you’re better off just dying and respawning. Anyways, food was abused especially that op Christmas food all the basers liked. I don’t really even see a difference except now you can’t heal while being spammed with a 16 dmg pbp and manage to survive.

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Originally Posted by Zernov

If you heal while pking than you are doing something wrong. It wastes time and you’re better off just dying and respawning. Anyways, food was abused especially that op Christmas food all the basers liked. I don’t really even see a difference except now you can’t heal while being spammed with a 16 dmg pbp and manage to survive.

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The only thing that bothers me is that it’ll take longer time to heal in Races that have crabs etc. The event might even start before you heal fully

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Originally Posted by imaginary

The only thing that bothers me is that it’ll take longer time to heal in Races that have crabs etc. The event might even start before you heal fully

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That makes the game even more challenging, doesn't it?

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Originally Posted by AliGamer911

That makes the game even more challenging, doesn't it?

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No kid

How about increasing the maximum number of gang members from 25 to somewhere around 30-35? No more than 40. I'm not reading everything, but this is my simple suggestion.

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Originally Posted by imaginary

The only thing that bothers me is that it’ll take longer time to heal in Races that have crabs etc. The event might even start before you heal fully

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Make sure u stay in a safe area with full hp before u join the bot or the event simple solution


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We aren't reducing damage/ any of that sort to gang allies as the ally protection was removed specifically because we don't want to encourage it.

That being said we are working to add an indicator that hopefully will be an option to turn off if you don't want it, that will show on your screen who is in your gang/ who is your ally.

It will likely be a small green ring around your player shadow for gang members, and a blue ring if they're an ally.

I agree

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Originally Posted by Beo

Make sure u stay in a safe area with full hp before u join the bot or the event simple solution


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How am I supposed to stay in a safe zone when almost all Events warp you to the start/hospital after you leave or get kicked. Lol

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Originally Posted by imaginary

How am I supposed to stay in a safe zone when almost all Events warp you to the start/hospital after you leave or get kicked. Lol

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Use shield try to avoid crowds dodge bullets there is a lot you can do just use your head 🤯
Or
They can add a bubble to the start so u can instantly jump in front the[emoji376]

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Originally Posted by Beo

Use shield try to avoid crowds dodge bullets there is a lot you can do just use your head ��
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They can add a bubble to the start so u can instantly jump in front the[emoji376]

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Dodge mini guns spam + lag. Sure.

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Originally Posted by Grandpa Illusions

How about increasing the maximum number of gang members from 25 to somewhere around 30-35? No more than 40. I'm not reading everything, but this is my simple suggestion.

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This could be an option since allies are removed

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Originally Posted by XR

This could be an option since allies are removed

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Allies aren't removed? It just requires coordination and actually keeping an eye on your screen so they don't hit you.

We didn't remove the ally feature just to replace it by adding 15 new slots to your gang, and each of the allies

They should just delay the reviving animation for like 2 more seconds and none of this would be necessary

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Since the basing will get harder for gangs with 10k+ hours why dont you make the 17.5k gang hat a working gas mask instead it will be hard to get 30k soon

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Originally Posted by Jungar

Since the basing will get harder for gangs with 10k+ hours why dont you make the 17.5k gang hat a working gas mask instead it will be hard to get 30k soon

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They would need to go in and change every gangs 17.5k hat to gas proof even though some don’t resemble a gas mask. If your gangs close to 17.5k doesn’t mean they need to change the rewards so you can get a last minute gas mask before the update comes out.

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

Allies aren't removed? It just requires coordination and actually keeping an eye on your screen so they don't hit you.

We didn't remove the ally feature just to replace it by adding 15 new slots to your gang, and each of the allies

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What’s the meaning of allies if they can hit you and deal the same dmg as unallied gang what i asked is to reduce the dmg from allies what i meant it can be instead of 10 dmg becomes 8 dmg and so on still deals dmg to main but just a little bit less dmg than unallied gangs otherwise I believe that allies or subs is no longer needed u can just have any different tag and hang around as equal a allied gang and also if that’s meant to be why subs cant take flag lol allow them to take flag to...


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Please don’t ruin fort, I live in Australia and my Timezone is basically dead, the only way I can PK effectivly is by forting. When I’m online only about 1300 players are online, forting has basically died and the only people benefiting are those with chemical guns camping the spawn rooms while people trying to actually put in work and fort are being punished. I’m not saying remove the spawn rooms I’m just wondering if they can be moved closer or even when fort is active the spawn changes to infront like before and when fort ends it changes back to the spawn rooms. I’m on about 120k kills, trying to hit 200k and I’ve found that these last few days have been very hard to Pk due to 3 bases being changed. I’m not just talking about myself but anyone who whishes to gain the PK rewards in the future. People who aren’t complaing are usually the ones who already have the majority of the PK rewards. I’m honestly fed up with the fact that one admin has the power to change things like this without it any of it being questioned. Add your 10k base thing or whatever just leave the last good thing I have going in this game alone, my entire inventory was full of the nerfed guns and I didn’t complain because I know it’s your job to make the game better but now I feel as if you’re just taking the piss. Please Sam, make some new guns or a new gamemode but just please return fort to what it was, I’ve been playing for 6 years on and off and Era seems to be going down hill. No matter what you change about bases experienced players will always band together and come out ontop, Obsidian or any other giant basing gang will just create another basing tag to dominate the under 10k bases. In GZ, Mafia, BBZ gangs barley get over 500 kills now, the players pking outside probably get more kills than any forter. Even if you create one massive base, gangs will still find a way to work together to avoid war.