and another thing. if the guns are just too powerful that players can get kills with little effort, don't you think its meaningless? It defeats the whole purpose of the game, and makes it dull and boring. Theres not challenge in it at all.
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and another thing. if the guns are just too powerful that players can get kills with little effort, don't you think its meaningless? It defeats the whole purpose of the game, and makes it dull and boring. Theres not challenge in it at all.
I agree If you have 10 hours playing this game you can get chem gun an experienced player will still own you with starter gun. I really feel a lot of people just aren't good like you said and try to make up for there lack of skill by blaming the guns 100%. Even after the nerf people who obviously lack skill still wine about bar etc. It's like there justification for why they lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by GenoIndeed
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Omg exposed!!!!!!!!!! He IS a noob at spar lmaoooooooooooo xdddddd dead lol!!!!!!!!
LmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Donald
Try running in a base and pk with no skill, you'll constantly end up back at the door. Try sparring with no skill, you'll end up with horrible stats. As for street pk, requires no skill regardless of how skilled you are, even then most people aren't even shooting back at you and are probably low on health already, so that's not really an argument. The slowness is what makes things dull and boring, era strives on its quick paced play.Quote:
Originally Posted by lyk12345
Name - Metalstorm
Freeze - 0.16
Firerate - 0.26 0.265
Spread - 0.12
Clip - 28 24
Reload - 0.2 0.22
Bullets - 1
Auto - N
Stacked - N
Name - BAR
Freeze - 0.2
Firerate - 0.3 0.28
Spread - 0.08 0.075
Clip - 20 15
Reload - 0.5
Bullets - 1
Auto - N
Stacked - N
This stats will make bar balanced and way useful than it is now
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Name - Gas Launcher
Freeze - 0.3 0.35
Firerate - 0.26 0.3
Spread - 0
Clip - 3 5
Reload - 0.2 0.25
Bullets - 1
Auto - N
Stacked - N
Name - Ion Carbine
Freeze - 0.14 0.155
Firerate - 0.29
Spread - 0.01
Clip - 10 15
Reload - 0.3 0.33
Bullets - 1
Auto - N
Stacked - N
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Name - Ion SMG
Freeze - 0.13
Firerate - 0.33 0.31
Spread - 0.06
Clip - 12 14
Reload - 0.3 0.4
Bullets - 1
Auto - Y N
Stacked - N
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Name - M8a1
Freeze - 0.175
Firerate - 0.4 0.33
Spread - 0.16
Clip - 16 14
Reload - 0.35 0.4
Bullets - 1
Auto - Y N
Stacked - N
M8a1 was never a problem
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Name - Shipka
Freeze - 0.21
Firerate - 0.29 0.3
Spread - 0.09
Clip - 15 18
Reload - 0.35
Bullets - 2
Auto - N
Stacked - N
Doesn't make sense to make bar not auto because it has auto in its name...
Browning Automatic Rifle
I miss the good ol days of Graal where opinions mattered.
Seems to me they are looking for something to do to justify the position rather then going over the stats and creating more content to fill the voids and generate income for the game. Buffing or nurfing something in game does not make it fair for anyone and I'll say it again new content keeps and draws players not changing stuff that's been in the game for years.
psg was auto even tho it was a SNIPERQuote:
Originally Posted by N!chola$
That actually makes a lot of sense. If you apply the if it's not broke don't fix it mantra. The system seems to be broke so people will end up spending money on alternative weapons. Toonslab is something else they make profit and don't even reimburse the admin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drdetroit
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Too bad the one gun admin has a god complex.
So why should we want to continue to play this game when we're treated like this?
Because we're waiting for him to change it back instead of us wasting over like $500 on this game.Quote:
Originally Posted by GenoIndeed
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When BiTzSam made the Metal Storm the new bar lmao...
#ChangeBack
Yea I agree with you All of us Better not use Itune or creadit Card Money card from Era Until he fix all back That Why Only Fight Him Back That BiTzSam....Quote:
Originally Posted by N!chola$
After thinking I think some nerfs were nesscesary, but he went way too overboard with this. Nerfing guns that never caused a problem destroying everything but the only gun that needed a small nerf was bar
Idk it's made spar way too easy kind of boring. I think the nerfs kinda had the opposite effect of what he wanted in most areas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xur
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True spar, basing & pking does seem kinda slow & boring. its unlikely things are gonna get better tho, holiday items & stores are likely gonna still be crapy theres still gonna be no quest no guns no special achievements. A lotta my friends are barely active anymore, added to the fact the recent changes has left a bad taste in a lotta our mouths''. This all seem like a great big pipe dream thats gonna end in flames recent changes have acted as a great disincentive to active users for both emotional & financial reasoning, player relations are likely at an all time low. Add to the facts I still don't see how Bitz is going to attract new users when the players are still cr*p, most guns are fairly similar offering little diversity, overall play has slowed & the disdain between admins & players. Maybe if all the active users quit & made thing even easier for new players they'll participate in basing, sparring & pking lol. But the lack ingenuity is terrifying, the world is moving forward yet our admins are still toiling & fiddling with peoples guns against our will. Keep in mind Graal Era is not the only game in the world & with this move potentially killing off the some of the games most enthusiastic supporters, you really do wonder what the future is gonna be like. I even remember Bitz said in a previous post that'd hed thought it'd be better if all us so called pros quit, because we're not real pros we need OP guns to win. I think a lot of the forum users has seen that ás well. Admins don't respect us they have complete disdain & contempt for us, the only thing we can do is prove that actions lead to consequences if you insist on treating users in a dictatorial fashion then there really is no reason to stay, its best we take our business elsewhere, migrate, boycott & let Bitz create his false Utopia. I'm not as active anymore but I wish Bitz best of luck. If ever this turn sour to be a mistake lets hope the emperor Bitz has the humility to undo the carnage & serve as lesson to refocus the games priorities & not further strain the already deteriorating relationship between players & admins. Whos gonna be promoting the game more & whats your pitch?
Hey come pay Graal Era where the guns are Super Balanced & super rewarding .
Whats that my friend the gun you bought yesterday is suddenly worst?
Awh don't worry its all for the sake of making the game more 'balanced'', you should just suck it up, shut up & support our dictator I mean Gun Admin....Um Ok....GL Bitz!
Well said Donald. But I seen (maybe even this thread) it's more then just sam that made the choice it's all the middle management that came to the conclusion to destroy what wasn't broken in stead of adding content.
You don't understand that in a game with guns with similar stats, you can't nerf one gun and leave the rest. If you do that then guns will become signifcantly better than other guns or everyone will just move onto the new 'best' gun. The two main guns that caused problems were BAR and gm4. The other high firerate guns were nerfed as a ripple effect so that they didn't become better than the nerfed gunsQuote:
Originally Posted by Xur
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Sorry but that's just a stupid argument. There obviously was a problem, just not to you as you were a bar/gm4 user but to everyone else there was. You don't just add 'new' guns to change things. You don't even see that this nerf now allows for more breathing space in new guns with different sets of stat combos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drdetroit
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Not a lot of point to that metal storm change, the difference is next to unnoticeable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prancer
BAR shouldn't have a higher firerate than 8-9 damage guns considering it 5 shot kill potential. Not removing auto from a gun that has automatic in the name.
Gas launcher could have a higher clip in exchange for a lowered firerate, potentially the one you suggested but the reload time would have to be increased to at least 0.35.
Ion freeze increase isn't enough to compensate for 5 more bullets. The point of the clip nerf and firerate increase was to allow for close to old firerate stats but at the disadvantage of only being able to use it in short bursts so not to promote spamming unless you need to.
Ion SMG change, maybe, the change wouldn't really be that noticeable but if you really want 14 clip then it can be considered
0.33 is too much of an increase for only 2 less bullets. Compare the m8a1 for 65-68k with the sten for 65k. m8a1 used to beat it in every category, now it is evened out by only beating it in spread and freeze instead of spread, freeze, equal firerate, equal clip. Its spread is too high to have a fast firerate. If you want it to be faster then the best you'll get is 0.4 down to 0.35 with a spread decrease from 0.16 to 0.12
Shipka change, again the clip was nerfed to reduce the 2 bullet spam of the gun. If you want a higher clip then the tradeoff would be increasing the reload to 0.45 and decreasing spread to 0.06
hypocritical, unless you aren't actually 'genoindeed' then the way you handled gun balance on zone was the same way i'm doing it now. Arguably less responsive to the players comments than I amQuote:
Originally Posted by GenoIndeed
Boys, if you expect all guns to be nerfed just because a few are nerfed, it'll defeat the whole purpose of balancing.
Couldn't Agree More
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Originally Posted by Donald
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I had a feeling during the start of 2017 that Era was gonna go south. Guess that feeling was correct...
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I'm pretty sure you didn't mean to say "All these pros suck, good bye"(Practically what you said), and you want to keep the player base up. (Its been decreasing at a slow rate everyday) soo....
So this is my next question @BiTzSam
What are you gonna do to make up for this occurrence?
R more guns going to be nerfed
Nerf cripple please, that thing is way too overpowered with all the nerfed guns. Firerate is insane, regening ammo is too fast, damage is low and knockback is just disgusting.
I'm afraid to pull out my "unerfed" gun then people complain about it n u nerf itQuote:
Originally Posted by imaginary
Will i get my money back
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Me tooQuote:
Originally Posted by imaginary
That gun has a very low damage, and it's not useful outside of the events house or spar. Also you have to consider that it cost 75 EC, not everyone can get it, and if it goes versus a gun with spread it can be beated easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xur
I wouldn't be so sure about that because all the guns with spread has had their fire rates nerfed & reload time increased so with the right timing you could definitely come out on top because of the low freeze high clip & high firerate not the to mention if your hit by the knockback its like 10 dmg.Quote:
Originally Posted by D12*
Dude everyone wants all other guns to be nerfed because of a few powerful guns that they own are nerfed. Stop using "it's too powerful" as an excuse to call for a nerf for other guns.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xur
It's going to defeat the purpose of the balance.
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I'll use bitzsam logic here, everyone can get it, ec is free currency, and the whole point of the nerf was to make guns more fair, when this one is destroying everything in eventsQuote:
Originally Posted by lyk12345
End tier guns such as Gm4, bar, ion carbine, psg, some of the auction guns, and other more. Are nerfed, and you kept on saying that this is the meaning of balance? Many players grinded or payed (Itunes) to get those guns because of the stats, if this is going to kept going on in the future. Then put a warning sign that said something like the stats of this gun may be changed at anytime without warning or whatsoever. Because what you are doing is completely irrational.
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Learn the definition of the term "balance", before you even say it sir.
why can't we have more people like Prancer; provide a good alternative that's can be CONSIDER as well.
Other way around. Balance doesn't mean 'keep op guns op just because of the price."Quote:
Originally Posted by Sho Minazuki
Gun stats are always subject to change as they are in every other game. There is a reason that the specific statistics of the gun are not in the guns description. As they aren't it means they are eligible to be changed. You didn't purchase the stats as those aren't provided in the description- you bought the gun and the gun is what you still have
That is just the dumbest thing I've ever heard of course we bought the guns for its statistics. We bought them after checking their stats with people who own them, checking it on Era go watching its performance in spar & basing. Who earth buys a gun JUST from reading the descriptions. Absolutely ridiculous, you're just trying to justify the nerf no matter how stupid the reasoning.Quote:
Originally Posted by BiTzSam
Leave the m8a1 as it is. Change the ion back to its original nerf.
He really just said we didn't buy the guns for the stats...
Guns were bought for statistics period that's an illogical argument. You decreased the guns value period. If the weapons performed the way they did now people wouldn't have purchased them. It's like me buying a V8 Mustang and the dealership sneaking into my house at night and putting a V6 engine in and saying you bought it for the name. Your logic is flawed I'm sorry that's completely incorrect. What your doing is just wrong and punishes paying customers and people who grinded for there guns. You don't see it that way but that's what happened. Bitzsam this post almost has 700 comments people aren't complaining just for the sake of complaining. Other admins gang leaders new and old players see this was a mistake on your part. Because you made these changes by yourself without putting the big picture in perspective.Quote:
Originally Posted by BiTzSam
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''You didn't purchase the stats as those aren't provided in the description- you bought the gun and the gun is what you still have''-Bitzsam 2017
Someone should make a meme about this;)
Be real for a moment, the real reason why you can't put those terms in the description. Is because people will honestly think twice before buying the specific gun that is subject to change at any random time.
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So technically speaking, the game will lose profits if the system does that, now will it?
This is True ^Quote:
Originally Posted by Sho Minazuki
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