What if Perfect shape was removed?

When you said ignore guns that have stacked damage I think it's a good idea.

9 damage gun(BAR) = 6 shot kill
8 damage gun = 7 shot kill
7 damage gun = 8 shot kill
6 damage gun = 9 shot kill.
5 damage gun = 10 shot kill

If you live longer it encourages you to fight more strategically rather than just just spamming someone in the face.

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

I know, but ignore those guns with stacked damage/ .5 damage, those would be balanced out to ensure they aren't more than 1 less damage (bullet wall) to kill.

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Yes it is, I'll use heal 20hp against stacked damage. Lol

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Originally Posted by tristanfosho

When you said ignore guns that have stacked damage I think it's a good idea.

9 damage gun(BAR) = 6 shot kill
8 damage gun = 7 shot kill
7 damage gun = 8 shot kill
6 damage gun = 9 shot kill.
5 damage gun = 10 shot kill

If you live longer it encourages you to fight more strategically rather than just just spamming someone in the face.

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Alright, that's the one! I'll buy the right guns but what about 44. Magnum is going decrease by 2 and snipers too more decrease damage might be?

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Originally Posted by tristanfosho

When you said ignore guns that have stacked damage I think it's a good idea.

9 damage gun(BAR) = 6 shot kill
8 damage gun = 7 shot kill
7 damage gun = 8 shot kill
6 damage gun = 9 shot kill.
5 damage gun = 10 shot kill

If you live longer it encourages you to fight more strategically rather than just just spamming someone in the face.

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Rip chem

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Originally Posted by imaginary

Rip chem

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Chem has explosive damage, yes it'll do less damage but if you get the explosive damage that's an extra 6. Either way it's a good thing for chem to become a bit weaker since to many people seem to have it now

YOOOO.. do it sam so the fights last longer

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

Chem has explosive damage, yes it'll do less damage but if you get the explosive damage that's an extra 6. Either way it's a good thing for chem to become a bit weaker since to many people seem to have it now

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Please don't try to evade the swear filter

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Youre going to ruin PKING EKJA EDIJANEKDAOJEND

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Originally Posted by GenChristian

Yes it is, I'll use heal 20hp against stacked damage. Lol

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Alright, that's the one! I'll buy the right guns but what about 44. Magnum is going decrease by 2 and snipers too more decrease damage might be?

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Those guns would be balanced out. Magnum would be decreased. Snipers may not all be decreased as they are usually slower and aren't as spammy so not as op even at 5 shot kills. The faster snipers like PSG, probably m107 would be decreased though

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Originally Posted by imaginary

Please don't try to evade the swear filter

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Youre going to ruin PKING EKJA EDIJANEKDAOJEND

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Lol it'll ruin pking only for people with the chem gun. For everyone else pking would be better

Bar's going to be out-shined by a few guns, probably.

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Originally Posted by ItzTerry

Bar's going to be outshines by a few guns, probably.

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I agree, I would love to see the Bar meta change.

Don't forget, Need edit to all gun's description will be updated.

My answer: Don't even think about it. And the answer is NO

Good point that Tristan thought up, the prices would have to be altered because of 1 less damage. People wouldn't enjoy the transition, that's for sure.

Alright my idea: BiTzSam do a poll

Anyway, that's okay to outside pking to get earn kill a little bit much. So Bitzsam, I know u have a lot of exotic coins but can u give me one time only? cause I'll help u that point already.

Why not?
I don't see the point though.

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Originally Posted by GenChristian

Don't forget, Need edit to all gun's description will be updated.

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No you don't as all gun descriptions stat the good shape of the weapon, not perfect. which is why bar states it's 9 damage when it does 10

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Originally Posted by Trav

Why not?
I don't see the point though.

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The point has already been explained at the start of the thread. Higher time to kill = more room for skill based play

IMO Sam should just add it in game for a week then poll it after a week to see if people want to change it back or keep it.

Edit: You should add an in-game poll because I know no one would want to go on the forums just to vote.

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Originally Posted by AliGamer911

Alright my idea: BiTzSam do a poll

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This is a discussion thread, as I said i'm not saying this will happen I just want opinions

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Originally Posted by Amazing Ace

Good point that Tristan thought up, the prices would have to be altered because of 1 less damage. People wouldn't enjoy the transition, that's for sure.

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Nope, read my response to tristan on that

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Originally Posted by AliGamer911

My answer: Don't even think about it. And the answer is NO

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Give an answer that has an actual reason

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Originally Posted by ItzTerry

Bar's going to be outshines by a few guns, probably.

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Not really, it will still remain the 'strongest' gun it just means that the extra bullet needed to kill could give the other person the chance to clutch a win

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Originally Posted by ItzTerry

Bar's going to be outshines by a few guns, probably.

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Not really, it will still remain the 'strongest' gun it just means that the extra bullet needed to kill could give the other person the chance to clutch a win

That's a terrible idea, if that's the case you should make guns refundable. A lot of players who actually use their weapons play in-game and don't use forums to communicate and speak their opinions on certain topics.

Guns are good just the way they are. Don't ruin it for everyone else.

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Originally Posted by tristanfosho

If it would happen, I think the price of bar should drop a bit. I think the whole idea of it being worth the price was that it can kill people in 5 bullets.

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I do feel it would balance out the game and encourage the use of a more variety of guns.

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I want a refund on my bar if it happens I spent iTunes on that.

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

The point has already been explained at the start of the thread. Higher time to kill = more room for skill based play

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Who cares
Multiplex exists

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

Before the pitchforks are taken out i'm not saying this will happen/ haven't even brought it up with anyone I just wanted to create a discussion here. It would effectively mean all guns will do 1 less damage but still remain the same in terms of which guns are the most dominant etc.
would also mean guns that are currently above 10 damage will become slightly more effective (basically just snipers).

I personally think it would be pretty interesting and could rectify some balance issues, as the time to kill would be slightly higher which could create more room for skill play if everyone required one extra shot to kill someone than before.


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Just need to add that there would still be gun conditions (perfect, good, rusty etc) just perfect would no longer grant the bonus 1 damage. So you'd still need to repair your gun, perfect shape would just mean you don't have to repair your gun for 3 or so weeks when it becomes rusty.

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What would minerals be used for though? just money then.

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Originally Posted by NicholasGraalOnlineEra

I want a refund on my bar if it happens I spent iTunes on that.

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If u want a refund for your bar, I want a refund for my 500$ wasted on graal, so shh

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Originally Posted by Slapjack

If u want a refund for your bar, I want a refund for my 500$ wasted on graal, so shh

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Shut up

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

No you don't as all gun descriptions stat the good shape of the weapon, not perfect. which is why bar states it's 9 damage when it does 10

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Alright, that's the right one description to won't be edited.

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and I think heard Snk said "No Refunding Guns" for long ago through this year.

Im personally against this change, if anything why not just nerf the guns that need nerfing like the Chem Gun for example rather than all other guns. My PBP Autorifle only does 6 damage, if you removed one damage it would be almost useless in terms of the firepower. That 1 damage makes all the difference, and that goes for every gun, which is why it would work in the favor of some weapons but not others.

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Originally Posted by Psycho Adelphos

Im personally against this change, if anything why not just nerf the guns that need nerfing like the Chem Gun for example rather than all other guns. My PBP Autorifle only does 6 damage, if you removed one damage it would be almost useless in terms of the firepower. That 1 damage makes all the difference, and that goes for every gun, which is why it would work in the favor of some weapons but not others.

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How can you say one gun will be more worse off than the others when every gun faces the same chance?. Sure PBP auto rifle will. Be doing 5 damage, but the guns that are 7 damage will be doing 6, and the 8 damage guns 7 etc. so whilst you need one more bullet to kill someone, so does the person fighting against you

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Originally Posted by Juaan N

That's a terrible idea, if that's the case you should make guns refundable. A lot of players who actually use their weapons play in-game and don't use forums to communicate and speak their opinions on certain topics.

Guns are good just the way they are. Don't ruin it for everyone else.

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You have failed to provide an actual reason as to why it's a bad idea and why that should warrant you to be eligible for a refund.
Just think about what you are saying. Even if we were to give a refund (HYPOTHETICALLY) what would you do with the gralats? Refund your BAR and then what? By an m4?

If all guns face the same change then their individual rankings on what is best etc doesn't change

this isn't happening *thread closed*

[QUOTE=GenChristian;400585]Alright, that's the right one description to won't be edited.

What do you mean by 'one' description as if that is the only one that doesn't state perfect shape? No descriptions state the perfect shape damage except for the exotic weapons. So only 2 descriptions would need to be changed

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Originally Posted by imaginary

this isn't happening *thread closed*

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please stop posting unless you have anything constructive to say. This is a discussion not a vote

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This is unfair ghost ripper would be even better and my greatest enemy has it.
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im sorry omz

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Originally Posted by imaginary

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Blah blah blah I don't read the threads I post in

This is unfair ghost ripper would be even better and my greatest enemy has it.
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im sorry omz

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I told you to ignore guns that do 0.5 damage as they would be fixed to ensure they aren't better/ worse if perfect +1 was removed

If this happens who else is never gonna buy vip again

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Originally Posted by Donal4Prez

If this happens who else is never gonna buy vip again

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You still need to repair your guns. In case you have forgotten you gun does 1 less damage if it's in rusty shape

I'm late, personally i don't mind this but eh it would make chem trash to the point where flame is probably gonna be better

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Also about the pictures marg sent. No I do not actually behave like a 10 year old kid believe it or not it was me being satirical, gotta thank marg for not saying it though.

NOTHING will be trash people, bar will still be surperior! It will just take 1 more bullet to kill someone

Don't change the gun damages, lower weapon guns will be highly affected, this will create a huge uproar aswell and we have high damage guns for a high price for a reason. Bar should remain a 5 hit kill, not a 6, because it's a dominant and costly gun, doing this is practically matching bar with gm4, as they will both still be 6 hit, guns like ion carbine and pdw will turn into 7 hits, which is terrible for their worth, espically ion. It also takes away the point of mining for minerals if there was no perfect shape. An extra 1 damage for a little bit of mining, why not?

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

Chem has explosive damage, yes it'll do less damage but if you get the explosive damage that's an extra 6. Either way it's a good thing for chem to become a bit weaker since to many people seem to have it now

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Don't nerf chem lol, it's 200 ec for a reason

Don't remove perfect shape what's the point of mining then


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With this thread people are thinking about to 8 and 9 damage guns, how it will only make it 1 extra shot, but have you thought about the lower damage guns? For example the minigun is a 3.5 damage guns thats 4.5 when perfect. When its perfect its 11 shots to kill, but if it dropped just 1 damage it would be a 14 shot kill, thats 3 more shots to kill even when it has that .5 damage increase. You would also need to shoot someone 5 extra times with chemical gun to kill them, its already not worth 200 ec why make it worse. This wouldn't affect those higher damage guns as much but that it will kill all lower damage guns.

No chemical gun doesn't need a nerf. The only thing stopping it from being worth 80 ec is its explosives. Instead of trying to nerf it how about removing it from the event shop when it reaches a certain cap of people that own it. Half of the game owns the flamethrower and thats not getting a nerf anytime soon even though its better than chem.

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Originally Posted by Zernov

With this thread people are thinking about to 8 and 9 damage guns, how it will only make it 1 extra shot, but have you thought about the lower damage guns? For example the minigun is a 3.5 damage guns thats 4.5 when perfect. When its perfect its 11 shots to kill, but if it dropped just 1 damage it would be a 14 shot kill, thats 3 more shots to kill even when it has that .5 damage increase. You would also need to shoot someone 5 extra times with chemical gun to kill them, its already not worth 200 ec why make it worse. This wouldn't affect those higher damage guns as much but that it will kill all lower damage guns.

No chemical gun doesn't need a nerf. The only thing stopping it from being worth 80 ec is its explosives. Instead of trying to nerf it how about removing it from the event shop when it reaches a certain cap of people that own it. Half of the game owns the flamethrower and thats not getting a nerf anytime soon even though its better than chem.

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I have faith that bitzsam would balance those types of guns out also.

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

What do you mean by 'one' description as if that is the only one that doesn't state perfect shape? No descriptions state the perfect shape damage except for the exotic weapons. So only 2 descriptions would need to be changed

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Okay. ★★★★★"Make Balance Guns Great Again!"★★★★★