That's a copyright ok?Quote:
Originally Posted by crazycloud
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That's a copyright ok?Quote:
Originally Posted by crazycloud
I don't think Admins should warn someone for cursing, UNLESS they are cursing towards another player.
I don't think it's because of that, but probably because the game is rated PEGI 7 and of course if players were allowed to use such language, the rating would obviously increase.Quote:
Originally Posted by AsiraderGraal
According to the pegi website:
>PEGI 7: Any game that would normally be rated at 3 but contains some possibly frightening scenes or sounds may be considered suitable in this category.
As a result of this, Graal has to limit the language use, or else it would fall under the PEGI 12.
>PEGI 12: Videogames that show violence of a slightly more graphic nature towards fantasy character and/or non graphic violence towards human-looking characters or recognisable animals, as well as videogames that show nudity of a slightly more graphic nature would fall in this age category. Any bad language in this category must be mild (As you said it should be general use of curses, not towards players) and fall short of sexual expletives.
I guess Graal is just trying to avoid getting sued, but yeah Improve the quality of some staff. It's a growing problem.
'Gameplay is subject to change during Online play'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bulletzone
lol you guys are still going on about this?
nothing is going to change.
That's an oxymoronQuote:
Originally Posted by Hex
This statement is the reason to your answer why we are still going on about this.
We want change. Which is why we are still going on about this.
this game has an age rating, i doubt management would ignore this and remove censorship for older players all the while loosing potential younger players because of parents not allowing them to play a game where people are swearing off their heads.Quote:
Originally Posted by AsiraderGraal
of course their could be a censorship toggle but even that would be a huge implementation for an already fine system, in the eyes of management at least.
if you truly think of yourself as mature then a language filter shouldn't bother you as it's not necessary to swear now is it?
Hex,
You can't have a managable rating in an online game - especially one with chat. It's nearly impossible to monitor everything especially when there are ways around the curse filter.
Thus why this is noted by the ESRB, 'Gameplay is subject to change during Online play'.
You want to know why the demographic is a lower age than a higher age? Because of the child monitors on the game.
You statedwell that's a contradiction because I can say that's the same reason why there is a majority of young kids.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hex
There really isn't an issue with the censorship toggle in my eyes as I feel it would clear up a lot of misunderstandings with the false jailings from the rising issue of PR's lately. I think it is balanced between both age groups.
In the last paragraph, to summarize it; you basically say that 'Those who curse are immature.' Let's be real here, cursing is used constantly by adults in the mature age group - I'm sure you've cursed before.
Asirader is 18 now he's a big boy
Let him curse in peace
Sure it's impossible to monitor and 100% eliminate cursing, but a filter blocks a lot of it in a game where as you say there is a "majority of young kids".
What do you mean false jailings? There is a rule against swearing, if you swear you'll get punished. Just because you don't think such words aren't bad doesn't mean management nor kids do, neither you nor I are exempt from this.
Of course adults swear. But remember, that's in the real world, where they're allowed to swear without repercussion. This is a game with restrictions and rules against swearing. As many mature players have and continue to do simply use different words and you won't have such a problems, is that so hard for you?
:x careful, he might go on another one of his rants.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrgadosh
Hex,
I can not emphasize it enough that this is a proven fact in any open chat online video game, according to the ESRB (Which rates the video games) 'Gameplay is subject to change during Online play'.
You're right, any swearing IS illegal, but that's also a hypocritical statement of you support that AND support the cursing filter. Why bother jailing people for evading cursing, when there is a curse filter; it's the Staff's fault for not blacklisting those words into the filter.
I know this is a game with restrictions and rules against swearing, that's why we want it updated with a toggle system. Many players do use different words, but the majority still will always no matter what you say Evade the chat filter. That is a guarenteed statement that as long as there is a chat system players will ALWAYS find a way around it. You may think I have a problem with cursing; it's just that I am so used to it in the real world that it's hard to constantly switch to the game to real life, I just think it's necessary to describe actions regardless if illegal.
I will always stand by cursing deemed illegal if used to insult another player, if used to inanimate or non insult related matter I don't understand why it isn't allowed when they won't bother a kid friendly option.
I don't understand that statement, I have been pretty respectful from my standpoint related to your arguments; that tells me that you feel that you are losing the debate and you wish to change the subject to a personal matter. Let's not go there as it relates nothing to the topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hex
The filter helps prevent swearing but of course there are ways around it, they should also be punished regardless if it gets out of hand and the cursing is used as an insult.
It's true as you say, many people will continue to avoid the filter. Instead of caving to their demands wouldn't it be better to simply continue punish them for breaking the what they know to be the rules?
I'll admit though, I personally don't believe cursing in general, not directed at somebody, is wrong. With this being said, this is a game for children and these are the rules. Nobody is forcing you to play this game just like nobody is forcing you to agree the rules, but regardless you should follow them.
I don't see a 'kid friendly option' likely at all as aforementioned, this is a game for children, this game how it currently stands is infact the 'kid friendly option' what you're suggesting sounds to me more like an option for older audiences. By all means though, continue to rally for a toggle to be implemented, it's your right to do so. I just don't see it likely in the slightest judging from responses by ace and anero.
fyi: the statement at the end is a joke referencing how you often post long threads with slabs of information; rants. It's not an insult >:)
I can do nothing but agree to this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hex
Good post!
My argument is cursing is over protective. Kids shouldn't be allowed to curse, but that's freedom of speech. If you consider it immature to curse than you be mature and ignore it.
I think we should have the freedom of speech as we wouldn't have so many kids in the game; or atleast a more older audience.
If people are not going to stop evading cursing, then just be resilient and add some option giving us access. If you don't like it then turn it off. Not that hard.
Yes this is meant for children, but you see all these complaints on false reports and how kids are annoying, 'Astro Bar', etc. that it's a pretty hypocritical use of evidence if you hate kids then support them.
Why are the ones who are allowed to curse being punished because of little kids, do you want a small age demographic? Gags, Warns, Chat Filters? Just give us a filter, I don't think being jailed over cursing is reasonable, unless deemed towards another person.
If a parent doesn't support cursing, than have the option turned on. If you want cursing, than have the option turned off.
The entire point of this thread was to clearly point out the problems regarding admin jails for personal reasons and spite, not cursing. I think the topic got thrown out of hand, I simply was stating there must be a punishment and should be for staff that seek to up their own reputation and push their own agenda with the powers theyve been given to better the community. It is extremely disrespectful to me and to the rest of the community to have someone take advantage of the system when so many other people would crave to be in their shoes, and not to mention would do a better job at the task.
PS rather than only hire individuals that are qualified why dont you add their attitude and maturity as another factor, because there are many people who are qualified but their personalities are downright wrong for the job.
Mature people know that cursing is useless, their ways of expressing is with comprehension and not replacing most verbs or expressions with a curse word.Quote:
Originally Posted by AsiraderGraal
As for the main topic, I agree that some staff are taking graal to the slightest as if it's their job to have fun, although some staff are considered unprofessional for trying to be "close" to the players in order to help the player stay in his comfort zone while communicating with a PR because most newbies tend to panic while talking to staff members as if their problems tend to be intimidating.
Minimizing other's mistakes is a way of saying "it's okay the world isn't going to end there is a fix for everything" which relaxes the mind of the player, though I don't deny that doing nothing about it is wrong.
By being "ourselves" it shows that the team HAS a personality and honestly, no one likes fake personalities.
Freedom of speech IS in fact important though it is not recommended if it causes mayhem.
Define qualified, some consider it as experience, others claim it's how they should handle situations, how can you know if someone is qualified?
Ok here's what i'm going to say. First of all, PRs do what they are supposed to do. Which is support the players. Now I know that there could be that moment where some admin "abuses" their powers. Ok if they abused their powers, then tell ser or anero or whoever. They can deal with that problem. I've been playing iera since 2010. And Graal since 2007. I have not once complained about bad admins because i'm not an admin so I have no business getting involved with what they do. The high staff will deal with the "bad admins" and if the players want to get involved, tell a high staff. There's really no reason to complain about admins because they were chosen to be an admin based on their reputation in-game. So if they were chosen, and people don't agree with that, yet they still don't get fired. That means that they could actually be a good PR and some people just don't agree with that. I don't know how it actually works with firing a staff member, but really if they were abusing powers, they probably would have been fired by then. If they abuse powers all the time as you say, take a screenshot or get evidence and let the admins deal with it.
Then don't share your opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by JungleJimmy
Alright, I'll admit that there are a lot of fame-hungry people, and those fame-hungry people have somehow gotten into a staff position. Disregard the development teams, but I'm looking at you guys, PRs'. And just to share my opinion: Drizzle was a great Player Relations staff but he's sending too many applications, and accepting too many without further inspection.
Cussing, should not a reason you should get jailed for, unless if it's directed at a player. For example, "My bathroom is a f****** mess!" should not be a reason. If it's used as an adjective to describe another player, that's a wrong-doing.
Keep in mind that the game is recommended for children over the age of 12.
I can do nothing but agree to this.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItzTerry
Good post!
Children over the age of twelve? That's an understatement if you compare that to the ages of kids that actually play. And BTW A bunch of kids from 8 up swear excessively now a days.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItzTerry
This response is super late 0.0
The thing about the Player Relations applications is they look for maturity, knowledge and etc. that can benefit the Era community, but you can't tell if a person has been mature in the past and will be in the future by one application. It's almost like a dating profile; a person can come off as great and perfect and the person you've been looking for, but once you see them for yourself, it might not be the actual story. Not only does this make it so certain people who might not deserve it get into the team, but also makes it that people who do deserve it do not get into the team. But it's hard to know how a person will act in the future and handle their responsibilities/powers, or get to know just their normal temperament without stalking them for a week or so before you give them their application.
When it comes to abuse of powers, as stated many times before, Ace or anyone that handles tickets and etc., won't take action without solid proof that the accused PR is abusing you or someone else. This includes screenshots and pictures showing what the PR did. It may seem ridiculous to some people, but admins are accused of abusing other players quite often, normally over stupid things, and sometimes over believable things. Just as if it was in real life, they can't punish an admin for doing something without knowing whether they actually did it or not, because then it's unfair to them. Although it may be unfair to you if they actually did it, you have to understand how this is a tough situation to make everyone get what they deserve and be happy. You can have the most realistic story on Earth, but they still don't know if it was made up or not. And some people are really good at making stuff up with believable details. Complaining to the PRAs just adds more pressure to the situation.
Along with that, people do take this a bit too seriously. Don't forget this is a game; not to say that gives people the entitlement to do whatever they want, but it's not a literal job where you get paid real money and it has to be taken ultra seriously or else you're fired and you live in a box on the sidewalk. If there is an issue with abuse, people shouldn't be making threads complaining about it, especially if you aren't even giving examples. If anything, you should file an actual report to a PRA or snk. Making a thread is just asking for people to bombard some people, cause argument, etc. Even if you don't want arguments, it's bound to happen as long as people don't agree or have something to say about the topic. I don't think age should be taken into account with this as much as the actual wrong-doings of a PR. A 17 year old PR could make just as big of a mistake as a 14 year old one, but the 14 year old will get more crap because of their age, most likely.
I won't say there's no favoritism though. It's sad to see great people who aren't well known get left in the dust when they could be great PRs.
If you guys are trying to say that swearing should be legal or IS legal as long as it's not meant for someone I disagree, picture it as someone putting a fence to protect his property in basic law it's illegal to break in a land owned by someone else by saying "your fence isn't high enough to defend it so it's legal to break in" means that you did break the rules and you're blaming the owner for not protecting it enough same goes for the cursing system even if you evade the swear filter it's still considered breaking the rules. As for making the game for adults that is a terrible idea, I know a friend who's brother is 8 years old I always see that infant play online games, his whole family never curses except him, it's like something normal to him he keeps getting punished for the curses and he continues, turns out it was the interaction with other players online which led him to this state. Let's not be one of those games that has a bad influence on the infants, and forget about the "hide/show curses" button as anyone can lie about their age and just keep it shown.
False.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zanygraal
I showed proof of a pr abusing his powers
Screenshots etc
But they didnt get punished
As evidence can be altered and edited
Absolutely nothing happen despite the fact that the misuse of power was clearly on my jail record that anyone could see
I had to get a PRA to come and WATCH it happen
So i did the same thing before but this time a pra watched it happen
And I was unjailed
My jailings and warnings were removed
And the pr was fired a few minutes afterward
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Words have no meaning, its gibberish from the mouth, its the people who give it meaningQuote:
Originally Posted by Joeyaudi1
So we gotta beg Anero to come and watchQuote:
Originally Posted by Froz
Agreeeeed!