READ- Weapon Rebalancing

we need have enable refund guns system :/ I want my money


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Originally Posted by Kivara

we need have enable refund guns system :/ I want my money


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It's not yours if you've spent it >:)

Its so dumb how most of era hates @BiTzSam now just because he changed some guns stats.. Like he said previously, actually try them out before you start saying dumb comments about "Now I'm quitting", "this was a waste of money", If so then why do you still play? Its because you can't stop.. Era is addicting in a sense of its not the guns, its who plays, its who respects, and talks, So why would you try to ruin someone just like you?

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Originally Posted by Psycho Adelphos

Apparently maturity is lacking in this forums thread, I feel bad for all of the people who are satisfied with the changes as I am. The fact so many people cannot adapt to the change or even attempt to take a positive spin on it is the real issue. Just because you bought something doesn't mean you should have a large advantage over someone. This used to be a pay2win game but with these changes its slowly becoming more skill based, which is important in my opinion. Money shouldn't be equivalent to how far you get, you didn't earn anything, you just bought your way up. Your failure to adapt only shows your weakness as a player and the fact that you need to grow. If you dont want to put in the time to be an actual good player then don't complain. You spent money yes, but you aren't the only person who was affected by the changes, in fact I have a lot of the guns that were changed yet you dont see me crying about it.


It isnt always about you, and what you feel isnt how everyone feels, so before you slam others and call them idiots or wannabes or anything of the like remember what you feel in the end is just one out of hundreds of different responses.

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Apparently people don't know what pay2win actually means so I'll explain it and why Era doesn't fall under that category. A pay2win game is where the best items are only available through a premium currency that is either too hard to get by doing in-game objectives or jobs, or is only available by actually spending money to get the currency or item. The item usually has stats far above other publicly available items and usually has very little ways of countering it. The Bar does not fall under this due to it being always available to every single player thats ever logged in since its buyable with the basic currency of gralats, just like the ak47 is. Its more grindy, but you'll probably use the exact same grinding process for the bar and the ak47 if it works best for you, the bar just takes longer. Grinding or buying packs to skip the grinding process won't make you a better fighter in either way, you have to actually learn how to dodge and shoot regardless of what gun you have or what method you used to buy the gun. Just because the best item costs alot in the shop doesn't make it pay2win, era isn't pay2win, its a grindy game and there's a difference between those two.

Now with that being said, no one bought their way up to the top, they got good with their guns, I could buy all the guns in the game, all the auction guns too and that wouldn't mean crap if I wasn't a good player. And trying to tell people to adapt is just saying "deal with it", no, I'm not just gonna "deal with it", I think it all was a bad idea and not done correctly so I will continue to debate it. You're over here saying people that don't want to deal with it are just bad players, then what about the players with like 500k kills and 40k spar wins that don't like it? They clearly have skill and it'd be illogical to assume they don't with stats like that, they got stats like that because they learned how to play while these guns were un-nerfed, as well did myself, I don't need a bar to fight another bar user, I could use a gun half its price and beat them because I'm a good player. If they were able to get good and defeat opponents regardless of what gun they use and I was able to learn the same then whats anyone elses excuse for why they can't? It's clearly not the guns since they can be beaten with cheaper guns, if these guns are such a big issue to you and others then thats on you, did you ever stop to think "hmm, maybe I just suck."? Anyone thats skilled learned how to beat these guns, I learned how to beat these guns, so anyone thats having trouble has no excuse and should work on their skill rather than complain that the guns are op when they themselves haven't developed the skill set to actually win.

Now with the bar specifically since its most talked about, yeah it was a little too strong but not op, it was still beatable and all it needed was a small rof nerf, not this big of a nerf.

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Originally Posted by GenoIndeed

Apparently people don't know what pay2win actually means so I'll explain it and why Era doesn't fall under that category. A pay2win game is where the best items are only available through a premium currency that is either too hard to get by doing in-game objectives or jobs, or is only available by actually spending money to get the currency or item. The item usually has stats far above other publicly available items and usually has very little ways of countering it. The Bar does not fall under this due to it being always available to every single player thats ever logged in since its buyable with the basic currency of gralats, just like the ak47 is. Its more grindy, but you'll probably use the exact same grinding process for the bar and the ak47 if it works best for you, the bar just takes longer. Grinding or buying packs to skip the grinding process won't make you a better fighter in either way, you have to actually learn how to dodge and shoot regardless of what gun you have or what method you used to buy the gun. Just because the best item costs alot in the shop doesn't make it pay2win, era isn't pay2win, its a grindy game and there's a difference between those two.

Now with that being said, no one bought their way up to the top, they got good with their guns, I could buy all the guns in the game, all the auction guns too and that wouldn't mean crap if I wasn't a good player. And trying to tell people to adapt is just saying "deal with it", no, I'm not just gonna "deal with it", I think it all was a bad idea and not done correctly so I will continue to debate it. You're over here saying people that don't want to deal with it are just bad players, then what about the players with like 500k kills and 40k spar wins that don't like it? They clearly have skill and it'd be illogical to assume they don't with stats like that, they got stats like that because they learned how to play while these guns were un-nerfed, as well did myself, I don't need a bar to fight another bar user, I could use a gun half its price and beat them because I'm a good player. If they were able to get good and defeat opponents regardless of what gun they use and I was able to learn the same then whats anyone elses excuse for why they can't? It's clearly not the guns since they can be beaten with cheaper guns, if these guns are such a big issue to you and others then thats on you, did you ever stop to think "hmm, maybe I just suck."? Anyone thats skilled learned how to beat these guns, I learned how to beat these guns, so anyone thats having trouble has no excuse and should work on their skill rather than complain that the guns are op when they themselves haven't developed the skill set to actually win.

Now with the bar specifically since its most talked about, yeah it was a little too strong but not op, it was still beatable and all it needed was a small rof nerf, not this big of a nerf.

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Pay 2 Win means that anyone can have better guns statistically if they spend real life currency over those who play without spending a single cent.

Take Era for a example. Yes, anyone can get the BAR, but it is incredibly grindy to get, whereas anyone with 100 dollars can get it earlier and easier than those grinding to get it. Most people dont have the time, nor the patience to work towards a high tier guns, so they settle with what they have.

Paying for a statistical advantage IS Pay-2-Win, which is why most games that take that route don't end up being rated highly on the stores.

And what do you mean no one paid to get to the top? If you gave me a minigun and I stood in one area where lots of people pass by (such as near the gas station), I would have a lot more kills than I do already. Most of the guns rely on spamming instead of having actual skill. And since the BAR is no longer automatic, why do you think people are outraged?

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Originally Posted by Mikey Zanereth

Pay 2 Win means that anyone can have better guns statistically if they spend real life currency over those who play without spending a single cent.

Take Era for a example. Yes, anyone can get the BAR, but it is incredibly grindy to get, whereas anyone with 100 dollars can get it earlier and easier than those grinding to get it. Most people dont have the time, nor the patience to work towards a high tier guns, so they settle with what they have.

Paying for a statistical advantage IS Pay-2-Win, which is why most games that take that route don't end up being rated highly on the stores.

And what do you mean no one paid to get to the top? If you gave me a minigun and I stood in one area where lots of people pass by (such as near the gas station), I would have a lot more kills than I do already. Most of the guns rely on spamming instead of having actual skill. And since the BAR is no longer automatic, why do you think people are outraged?

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You're not paying for a statistical advantage, you're paying to skip the grinding. As a grindy game, the highest priced gun isn't going to be easy to get but that never meant you need to spend money, you just need to put in the time grinding to get it. No gun in this game requires you to spend money, thats by choice.

And anyone can grab any gun and spam in the streets, and of course you'll most likely get more kills with higher priced guns since the price ranges determine its tier list due to how large the range is. No one, regardless of how skilled they are, needs skill to street spam so talking about street spam is rather pointless. And then there's guns that are designed to spam (minigun, most things that shoot more than 1 bullet at a time), which before they were added in the shop, their stats and functions were made so why are we getting blamed for that? Try mindlessly spamming in a base or spar and it won't work out for you against anyone with more skill. Stop trying to baby these people who haven't gotten skilled yet.

Also, most guns don't rely on spam, most guns will require you to know what you're actually doing to get the most out of them, and thats with guns of every tier. If we both had bars, and I was a better fighter than you, you won't win no matter how much you spam, same with the shipka and even the minigun or pbp.

People are pissed because the bar is garbage, its not effective in pk whether in bases or in the streets, not in spar, not in basing either. If someone was trying to sell me the Bar, what kind of presentation could they even make? I wouldn't want a slow gun that does 10 dmg when I could use a faster gun that does 9 dmg, I'd use that extra speed to get that last hit in and would be able to since I could get more shots in and avoid the slow shots easily. There is no reason to recommend a bar to anyone. All this whole thing feels like is just one big effort to baby people who didn't take the time to get good and decided that the guns were just op and whined about it, if there's lots of people who got good with whatever gun they had and could beat all these guns people whined about because they're skilled then this whole "nerf all the good stuff" idea makes no sense. And it makes even less sense because the "problem" was actually being fixed with new guns like the ump45 which could handle any gun and at an affordable price.

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Originally Posted by Mikey Zanereth

Pay 2 Win means that anyone can have better guns statistically if they spend real life currency over those who play without spending a single cent.

Take Era for a example. Yes, anyone can get the BAR, but it is incredibly grindy to get, whereas anyone with 100 dollars can get it earlier and easier than those grinding to get it. Most people dont have the time, nor the patience to work towards a high tier guns, so they settle with what they have.

Paying for a statistical advantage IS Pay-2-Win, which is why most games that take that route don't end up being rated highly on the stores.

And what do you mean no one paid to get to the top? If you gave me a minigun and I stood in one area where lots of people pass by (such as near the gas station), I would have a lot more kills than I do already. Most of the guns rely on spamming instead of having actual skill. And since the BAR is no longer automatic, why do you think people are outraged?

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You dont even pk lmao.

You're not seriously trying to argue that Era isn't p2w? Era has and probably always will be p2w just to a lesser extent. You are paying to skip both the grinding and to achieve a statistical advantage which is why pay2win games are built on. The only exception is that era doesn't have a seperate category but that doesn't make it not p2w. The seperate currency is just there so that they can make smaller looking bundles such as instead of having an item for 100,000 and people going that looks expensive, they'd sell it for 100,000 in the currency that people can earn and then have an option to buy it with a secondary currency for 50 'diamonds' or whatever they want to call it so it is more appealing to pay than earn it. The second currency is just a marketing tactic

P2w isn't definied by a secondary currency, the only graal server that isn't p2w is classic

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

You're not seriously trying to argue that Era isn't p2w? Era has and probably always will be p2w just to a lesser extent. You are paying to skip both the grinding and to achieve a statistical advantage which is why pay2win games are built on. The only exception is that era doesn't have a seperate category but that doesn't make it not p2w. The seperate currency is just there so that they can make smaller looking bundles such as instead of having an item for 100,000 and people going that looks expensive, they'd sell it for 100,000 in the currency that people can earn and then have an option to buy it with a secondary currency for 50 'diamonds' or whatever they want to call it so it is more appealing to pay than earn it. The second currency is just a marketing tactic

P2w isn't definied by a secondary currency, the only graal server that isn't p2w is classic

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So in your mind it's p2w and your reasoning for doing these changes is to punish the people who pay because that's what happened? Thats my understanding. The world is pay to win Bitzsam that's how capitalism works era is a reflection of reality. You will eventually have to nerf every gun people are already using better guns that cost less because of your actions.


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Originally Posted by jaxwashere

So in your mind it's p2w and your reasoning for doing these changes is to punish the people who pay because that's what happened? Thats my understanding. The world is pay to win Bitzsam that's how capitalism works era is a reflection of reality. You will eventually have to nerf every gun people are already using better guns that cost less because of your actions.


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Players have found a loophole already, some of these cheap guns are really good now because the expensive ones aren't that good anymore