READ- Weapon Rebalancing

Buffing jobs will benefit everyone, nerfing guns will just piss everyone off.

To all of those that are complaining, these guns are subject to change at any time, obviously whining about the changes wont do you any good, because rather than make fair and helpful suggestions you are instead making the situation worse. IF you actually want to see something done, maybe you should take the time to actually make some proper critique and share viable stat changes so that you arent completely unhappy. I shared my suggestion and Bitz was fine with compromising on it. If you want to be heard and taken seriously it needs to start by having the right attitude. Dont make it worse for yourself, these changes will most likely happen so at least use some reason in your mindset.

Thank god my beloved shipka isn't completely destroyed.

Sad that it's nerfed but it's a lot better than what was initially proposed.

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Originally Posted by Psycho Adelphos

To all of those that are complaining, these guns are subject to change at any time, obviously whining about the changes wont do you any good, because rather than make fair and helpful suggestions you are instead making the situation worse. IF you actually want to see something done, maybe you should take the time to actually make some proper critique and share viable stat changes so that you arent completely unhappy. I shared my suggestion and Bitz was fine with compromising on it. If you want to be heard and taken seriously it needs to start by having the right attitude. Dont make it worse for yourself, these changes will most likely happen so at least use some reason in your mindset.

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I can sense that your trying to become an admin just by how much you're sucking up to Sam.

These changes are gonna make veteran players quit and the noobie players will take over Era. Nothing wrong with that since Astro scrubs are on everyday but the thing is they won't have anyone to look up too (A veteran player).

I spent REAL money for these guns and I'll be looking into Apple's rules about such things. Meaning changing a purchasable item(s) and NOT getting compensated.

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Originally Posted by Bando

The GM4 knife attatchment is a good idea or perhaps a silencer attacthment? The skin with the silencer is ugly imo would love to see it on the current default skin.

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I actually wouldnt mind a nerf to the GM4 if a knife was added. If its anything like the mp5 knife i am all for it. Maybe make gm4 foldable, so it can be carried on the back. Or perhaps maybe even "ionize" it, meaning to make it look like an ion weapon and have it be sold for ec as many complain of it being overpowered.


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Originally Posted by Xur

Buffing jobs will benefit everyone, nerfing guns will just piss everyone off.

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+1
if it happens
then I would play era again

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Originally Posted by Xur

This thread is practically al disagreements and there was about 100 players at complex arguing. I'm sure if bitzsam released an in-game pole, the majority would be no, that being said all the new players would say yes, so make a requirement on the poll

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Nah, people just disagree for self-centred reasons like "oh, my gun's gonna suck now" and they are sad they can't exploit the gun's firepower to their advantage. It a selfish thought to be begin with. And then there comes the calculative bunch who attemp to measure the stats with money when sam already attempted to get a balance in the stats.

Its a gun REBALANCE, not a NERF. Some weapons need to be leveraged for the game's playing field to be more fair. Only players who doubt their skills will aggressively oppose this and i see that as a desparate attempt to try and get their personal firepower back.

And even after saying this I'm sure there'll still be people arguing. This just shows a strong lack of adaptability. These players cannot fail to adapt to changes. If the guns affected are not what they are using, I doubt they'll even care - and some would probably even cheer now that the players using those guns will be deemed as "less powerful"
when in actual fact the guns are just undergoing a slight modification in stats that make up for one another.

You can arguing the bar stats are reduced, but if you'd look at its other unchanged stats you will realise its actuallly giving you a distinct advantage.

I think such inadaptability needs to be overcomed, by getting players to try out the new modified stats first. Because then they will start to adapt to the new changes and they'd probably stop complaining.

guns are to be used with skills, not to replace it.

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Originally Posted by N!chola$

I can sense that your trying to become an admin just by how much you're sucking up to Sam.

These changes are gonna make veteran players quit and the noobie players will take over Era. Nothing wrong with that since Astro scrubs are on everyday but the thing is they won't have anyone to look up too (A veteran player).

I spent REAL money for these guns and I'll be looking into Apple's rules about such things. Meaning changing a purchasable item(s) and NOT getting compensated.

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Firstly, before you say Im just trying to act like an admin let me help you erase those illusions youve created. You fail to realize that I myself am a veteran player, I can guarantee you Ive been in this community longer than you have, as Ive played iosEra since its initial release. I own most of the guns that Bitz is proposing to be balanced. So if anything your point holds no merit being that I would still play regardless of the changes. These changes are made with good reason and in fact if you see the rising playerbase then you would be aware of the fact that many many people are getting access to these strong weapons because this game is almost solely pay to win.

That being said, if the guns were not changed you'd see the continued issues we have in basing, forting, and just pking or sparring in general. Because these guns are so strong there is almost little to no incentive to actually try when you can just sit and spam the gun all day and be rewarded for it. Dont believe me? Look at all of the sparrers that benefitted from the chemical gun, or the people that benefit from spamming bars and flamethrowers during forts.

The point I am trying to state here is that this update is for the betterment of the community, and rather than you sit there and complain maybe you can put some useful input in the discussion rather than try to knock me down.

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Originally Posted by N!chola$

I can sense that your trying to become an admin just by how much you're sucking up to Sam.

These changes are gonna make veteran players quit and the noobie players will take over Era. Nothing wrong with that since Astro scrubs are on everyday but the thing is they won't have anyone to look up too (A veteran player).

I spent REAL money for these guns and I'll be looking into Apple's rules about such things. Meaning changing a purchasable item(s) and NOT getting compensated.

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Uhm..looking up to Veteran players?

That's funny, a lot of them are passive-aggressive and rude.
It really depends who you're talking to.

You should be glad more noobie players will come in, maybe they'll actually have a chance.

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Originally Posted by N!chola$

I can sense that your trying to become an admin just by how much you're sucking up to Sam.

These changes are gonna make veteran players quit and the noobie players will take over Era. Nothing wrong with that since Astro scrubs are on everyday but the thing is they won't have anyone to look up too (A veteran player).

I spent REAL money for these guns and I'll be looking into Apple's rules about such things. Meaning changing a purchasable item(s) and NOT getting compensated.

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Well people who accuse others of sucking up to be an admin just lack the reason to argue and that's why they attempt to derail from topic by taking criticism to those who oppose them. It's an obvious display of a lack of reasoning and reluctance to admit to the very fact that they've been outtalked. To put it bluntly, these players are salty and sore who are losers in any argument because doing things like That Won't get them anywhere.

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Originally Posted by BlinkEra

Uhm..looking up to Veteran players?

That's funny, a lot of them are passive-aggressive and rude.
It really depends who you're talking to.

You should be glad more noobie players will come in, maybe they'll actually have a chance.

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Doubt it, oh yes and there is something in Apples rules and regulations about merchandise in-game, I'll copy it down and paste it when I scroll all the way back up to the page...rip ipad rn

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Originally Posted by Psycho Adelphos

Firstly, before you say Im just trying to act like an admin let me help you erase those illusions youve created. You fail to realize that I myself am a veteran player, I can guarantee you Ive been in this community longer than you have, as Ive played iosEra since its initial release. I own most of the guns that Bitz is proposing to be balanced. So if anything your point holds no merit being that I would still play regardless of the changes. These changes are made with good reason and in fact if you see the rising playerbase then you would be aware of the fact that many many people are getting access to these strong weapons because this game is almost solely pay to win.

That being said, if the guns were not changed you'd see the continued issues we have in basing, forting, and just pking or sparring in general. Because these guns are so strong there is almost little to no incentive to actually try when you can just sit and spam the gun all day and be rewarded for it. Dont believe me? Look at all of the sparrers that benefitted from the chemical gun, or the people that benefit from spamming bars and flamethrowers during forts.

The point I am trying to state here is that this update is for the betterment of the community, and rather than you sit there and complain maybe you can put some useful input in the discussion rather than try to knock me down.

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Daaang i hate seing this kind of post in era forum too formal too much trying to be perfect grammar and not on the point huh i dont bother to read the whole content of your post

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Originally Posted by Psycho Adelphos

Firstly, before you say Im just trying to act like an admin let me help you erase those illusions youve created. You fail to realize that I myself am a veteran player, I can guarantee you Ive been in this community longer than you have, as Ive played iosEra since its initial release. I own most of the guns that Bitz is proposing to be balanced. So if anything your point holds no merit being that I would still play regardless of the changes. These changes are made with good reason and in fact if you see the rising playerbase then you would be aware of the fact that many many people are getting access to these strong weapons because this game is almost solely pay to win.

That being said, if the guns were not changed you'd see the continued issues we have in basing, forting, and just pking or sparring in general. Because these guns are so strong there is almost little to no incentive to actually try when you can just sit and spam the gun all day and be rewarded for it. Dont believe me? Look at all of the sparrers that benefitted from the chemical gun, or the people that benefit from spamming bars and flamethrowers during forts.

The point I am trying to state here is that this update is for the betterment of the community, and rather than you sit there and complain maybe you can put some useful input in the discussion rather than try to knock me down.

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Daaan i hate seing this kind of post in era forum too formal too much trying to be perfect grammar and not on the point huh i dont bother to read the whole content of your post

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Well another reason for a player to quit is after working so hard for the expensive gun and to know its a sux gun, if you want more players to stay buff the jobs.

After doing some testing i've changed the GM4 again, new stats are

Name - Ghost M4
Freeze - 0.145 0.14
Firerate - 0.28 0.3
Spread - 0.065
Clip - 21
Reload - 0.6 0.55
Bullets - 1
Auto - N Yes
Stacked - N

Even did a few test spars with it-

out of 8 spars against 4 different people which included 6 GM4s, 1 Bar and 1 ion carbine I won 7 out of the 8 using the rebalanced GM4 stats posted above whilst all of their guns were the unchanged.
Almost won against the ion carbine guy except there was a delay in him taking damage.

Tested the rebalanced bar and i'm happy with those stats. It feel much more fair but is still strong for its price. Went on a 10 killstreak as a solo base attacker against Darkside in BBZ who were mostly using BARs. Ironically one darkside member who kept talking about how bad I am for wanting to nerf the bar died to me 2s in a row whilst he was using the unnerfed version of the BAR against me

This will be great for me as I have 31 guns on Graal and I support this. As I think about it, as long as everyone's gun is nerfed, it'll be great for me to start actually using more guns in my inventory. But here's the thing, as long as these nerfed guns don't become worse than say 100k magnum pistol, I'll be fine. To all those saying all giving consent to this are admin position seekers, thats completely immature. I can't wait to stop using the same old guns on spar just because my lower tier guns would stand no chance against the higher tier guns (more strongly In spar). I would be fine with this, but these nerfs can't exceeed to the extent that a cheaper gun has the same or better stats. For example, flame and electric staff. Had flame not had the flame effect, what would be the point of the extra 20 ec? (Ignoring "rarity" factor) And that would make me fight hard for money that was burned off from me. Other then that, I say brilliant idea BitzSam, Thank you!

Tested out the p2k, also happy with the changed I made. For someone that according to some of you 'doesn't pk/ base or know how to play the game' i'm certainly holding my own as a solo player against a gang of people using the unnerfed/ 'stronger' guns. So if even I can still do well, then you guys who must have significantly more skill than me should be more than fine right?

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

After doing some testing i've changed the GM4 again, new stats are

Name - Ghost M4
Freeze - 0.145 0.14
Firerate - 0.28 0.3
Spread - 0.065
Clip - 21
Reload - 0.6 0.55
Bullets - 1
Auto - N Yes
Stacked - N

Even did a few test spars with it-

out of 8 spars against 4 different people which included 6 GM4s, 1 Bar and 1 ion carbine I won 7 out of the 8 using the rebalanced GM4 stats posted above whilst all of their guns were the unchanged.
Almost won against the ion carbine guy except there was a delay in him taking damage.

Tested the rebalanced bar and i'm happy with those stats. It feel much more fair but is still strong for its price. Went on a 10 killstreak as a solo base attacker against Darkside in BBZ who were mostly using BARs. Ironically one darkside member who kept talking about how bad I am for wanting to nerf the bar died to me 2s in a row whilst he was using the unnerfed version of the BAR against me

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Considering I don't even use gm4 I'd be fine with those changes. They seem ok.

Nerf AK47. :D :D

Jk.

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Originally Posted by Xur

Considering I don't even use gm4 I'd be fine with those changes. They seem ok.

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Are you still fine with those changes when you realise that the ion carbine will face similar changes due to it being the slightly better ec alternative to the gm4

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

Are you still fine with those changes when you realise that the ion carbine will face similar changes due to it being the slightly better ec alternative to the gm4

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I mean carbine is pretty much an automatic gm4, only thing I'm concerned with now is how the longer reloads will effect gameplay. Will bar/vector/carbine stay automatic? Or will just carbine go semi

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

Are you still fine with those changes when you realise that the ion carbine will face similar changes due to it being the slightly better ec alternative to the gm4

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Give us a knife in exchange for the loss of auto and semi switch.


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Originally Posted by Xur

Considering I don't even use gm4 I'd be fine with those changes. They seem ok.

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Well so I guess you are only concerned with weapons you use that are affected? Isn't that a thought that has so much emphasis on self?

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Originally Posted by lyk12345

Well so I guess you are only concerned with weapons you use that are affected? Isn't that a thought that has so much emphasis on self?

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The one gun I use isn't even on the list, I have practically every major non-auction weapon of course I'm concerned about them all

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Originally Posted by Xur

The one gun I use isn't even on the list, I have practically every major non-auction weapon of course I'm concerned about them all

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Yea but you're just proving the point I have been making, that you kept repeating on why balancing is not left to a community decision. Because players only care about the guns they like/ use and will be biased towards keeping them unchanged yet would be fine with it so long as it's only other peoples guns, not theres. Like I said in the post, the list isn't final, a few other guns will probably be added after I finish testing those.

You wanted the chem gun to not be banned when you were using it to boost your spar wins. Then when you were close to 15k and the chem was banned you didn't want the Ion carbine touched as that was what you were using. Now you have the vector and it isn't currently on the list you're thinking if all the guns are being nerfed but vector, that would make vector even better than it is now and give you yet another advantage

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Originally Posted by iMagicBae

Give us a knife in exchange for the loss of auto and semi switch.


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No, if you looked at the new GM4 stats I posted last page you'd see I re added semi/ auto switch

Mtarx spread is deadly ��

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Originally Posted by imaginary

Mtarx spread is deadly ��

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Well bitzsam how about mtarx its like the 35k spar and 200k pk reward gun talking about overpowered thats the one that need a nerf

All I'm going to say is that basing was way more action packed and exciting back before the bar got it's first reload nerf. Back 2-3-4 years ago people had fun. There was lots of action always happening everywhere, and there never really was a dull moment. I agree with Killa that the problem here is the amount of work/time required to get these guns. People sit around in astro and around start because they don't feel like working 5hrs a day for a month and a half just to get a gun that for all they know might get nerfed again. Also please tell me how in the world shipka will be worth 120k, but ACR only 12k, because the way I see it after the nerf the ACR will be better! I don't disagree with improving the game. However I will say I enjoy spamming gun walls when I base, that's a whole lot more fun for me then doing 1v1 spars in a base. Sure it takes less skill, but if the players want skill, then they can spar. Basing is meant to be fun not necessarily only to make us better. The whole idea of any game is to have fun, and the best part of Era is the different aspects of it. Like I said if you want to spar and get skills in 1v1 situations that is possible. If you want to base and spam bullets all over and dodge bullets and get lots of kills and kill streaks that's currently possible as well. Era isn't getting worse, because of what was originally here, it's getting worse because of what originality there was, is getting taken away!

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Originally Posted by Celestial

Well bitzsam how about mtarx its like the 35k spar and 200k pk reward gun talking about overpowered thats the one that need a nerf

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The mtarx is an auction gun not a reward gun. And that gun, including the mp5a5 which is the 35k 200k gun you were referring too are both listed in this thread as guns being rebalanced?

I'm ok with the changes made so far. It has to happen sooner or later for the better of the community. Only thing, I'd like to point out is to maybe consider increasing the reload time for m4a3. Its extremely spammy for a gun with such low freeze & high firerate, sooner or later people are gonna get it & spam their way to victory.

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Originally Posted by Celestial

Well bitzsam how about mtarx its like the 35k spar and 200k pk reward gun talking about overpowered thats the one that need a nerf

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WOWOW let me stop you there, P2Ks are garbo ever since the first nerf. IF ANYTHING they need a BUFF.

if u nerf shipka imam quit it will ruin it for a lot of people

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Originally Posted by matt magma graal

if u nerf shipka imam quit it will ruin it for a lot of people

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ok bye

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

ok bye

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Bye farewell BiSam

Rip

One I gotta saw is, I'm fine with the changes that will be made if its about giving noobs a chance of winning. But what I'm not fond with is this discussion about gun hierarchies because it seems like an entirely subjective things that is relative to nerfing guns meaning to say I'm ok for example my ion being nerfed but not to the point where a weapon which wasn''t as good as it before is now proportionally better just because it was obtained by a method you judged to be harder to get is rarer or is 'free'. So I'm hoping you keep things as proportionate as possible & not lean so much say Events guns should be nerfed more but auction guns not so much, just keep it fair, if you're going to nert it, then nerf it all equally I don't think reward guns, auction guns or event guns should deserve any subjective favouritism because of how they were obtained, because by that time its no longer about making things fair for noobs its bias.

Just to clarify, what I mean is I''m not saying 200k item should not be better than a 10k item. I'm saying that you can't accurately compare Event Coin items to iTunes/ Reward items/ Auction items & so because you can't accurately judge it, best thing is for all to be nerfed the same. That is the hierarchies should be kept in place each retaining its unique features, none given favouritism treatment like for example Ion being nerfed from being M4a3 level to near Vector level the hierchacies still remain but M4A3 is not nerfed as much because you thinks its not 'free' like Ion.

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

The mtarx is an auction gun not a reward gun. And that gun, including the mp5a5 which is the 35k 200k gun you were referring too are both listed in this thread as guns being rebalanced?

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You dont understand me at all, i said mtarx is like mp5a5 in spar so op so overpowered. Read the guys post above me "if you want to nerf ec gun why not auction gun

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Originally Posted by BiTzSam

ok bye

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Your ideas will be appreciated more in olwest
Just saying (:

Ok i just got shipka last month then i got bar today which i got 2 guns this summer(asian timezone) i completely achieve my goals, but now i use it and experienced to use bar and shipka, so i must adapt the upcoming nerf because i already experience using bar and shipka but its gonna be ruin for those ppl who have their guns.

Apply a similar system to spar complex problem solved about base its meant to be heavy fight always since the beginning if u think that your nerfs will actually help your wrong still 1 vs 5 in a base wont help
People pays money to get the same status that are listed in game don't forget that bar got a nerf and most of the guns u listed already gotten nerfed
And of curse people care about the gun they use because they paid for it you might not know how it took people a month or more working to get bar hence sam you got it for free for sure u dont know how worthy guns is to players specially the ones they always use and how hard people worked to get it
Find a new solutions. If u want a skills perhaps u sam have the time to apply your ideas in the upcoming county side such as making a new way to base in county side basses that focuses more on skills/combat and maybe make a spar complex building there in the new county side and make it works like u want focusing on skills/ combat it would be waste of time applying that coz there is something called mpx already for combat/skills.


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Originally Posted by Donald

I'm ok with the changes made so far. It has to happen sooner or later for the better of the community. Only thing, I'd like to point out is to maybe consider increasing the reload time for m4a3. Its extremely spammy for a gun with such low freeze & high firerate, sooner or later people are gonna get it & spam their way to victory.

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It's a reward gun and it's expensive, it's worse than the gm4 in my opinion, just from what I've seen. I'd much rather use vector/mp5 over it. And you can't say it's a spammy gun, every single automatic weapon (fast firing) can be spammed.

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Originally Posted by Celestial

You dont understand me at all, i said mtarx is like mp5a5 in spar so op so overpowered. Read the guys post above me "if you want to nerf ec gun why not auction gun

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You didn't read what I said or read my response to that guy. Both of those guns are being nerfed so what are you trying to say?

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Originally Posted by Donald

One I gotta saw is, I'm fine with the changes that will be made if its about giving noobs a chance of winning. But what I'm not fond with is this discussion about gun hierarchies because it seems like an entirely subjective things that is relative to nerfing guns meaning to say I'm ok for example my ion being nerfed but not to the point where a weapon which wasn''t as good as it before is now proportionally better just because it was obtained by a method you judged to be harder to get is rarer or is 'free'. So I'm hoping you keep things as proportionate as possible & not lean so much say Events guns should be nerfed more but auction guns not so much, just keep it fair, if you're going to nert it, then nerf it all equally I don't think reward guns, auction guns or event guns should deserve any subjective favouritism because of how they were obtained, because by that time its no longer about making things fair for noobs its bias.

Just to clarify, what I mean is I''m not saying 200k item should not be better than a 10k item. I'm saying that you can't accurately compare Event Coin items to iTunes/ Reward items/ Auction items & so because you can't accurately judge it, best thing is for all to be nerfed the same. That is the hierarchies should be kept in place each retaining its unique features, none given favouritism treatment like for example Ion being nerfed from being M4a3 level to near Vector level the hierchacies still remain but M4A3 is not nerfed as much because you thinks its not 'free' like Ion.

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You don't understand the context of gun hierarchies I was referring to. I said despite the rebalanace the guns hierarchies would remain UNCHANGED. Meaning whilst the guns are each worse than before, they aren't worse than certain guns that they were better than before. Just the extent that they are better will not as be high as before.

Eg bar will be slower and worse than current bar, but so will the gm4. Meaning both guns are worse than before but the bar still remains stronger than the gm4 and etc

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Originally Posted by Beo

Apply a similar system to spar complex problem solved about base its meant to be heavy fight always since the beginning if u think that your nerfs will actually help your wrong still 1 vs 5 in a base wont help
People pays money to get the same status that are listed in game don't forget that bar got a nerf and most of the guns u listed already gotten nerfed
And of curse people care about the gun they use because they paid for it you might not know how it took people a month or more working to get bar hence sam you got it for free for sure u dont know how worthy guns is to players specially the ones they always use and how hard people worked to get it
Find a new solutions. If u want a skills perhaps u sam have the time to apply your ideas in the upcoming county side such as making a new way to base in county side basses that focuses more on skills/combat and maybe make a spar complex building there in the new county side and make it works like u want focusing on skills/ combat it would be waste of time applying that coz there is something called mpx already for combat/skills.


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I didn't get my bar for free I paid for it aswell before I became staff. I'm happy for things I paid for to be nerfed to make the game more skillbased because it makes the gameplay a more rewarding experience than the mindless repetitive spam fighting that it currently is.

You're a baser part of one of the larger gangs part of the gang 'truce, so I don't expect you to understand as the majority of your time spent on this game within the past few months would have revolved around defending a base by standing in a doorway spamming a bar