Try listening to the basers, sparrers, pkers, and forters. Try asking them of what their opinions, by going to places such as bases, pk areas, or spar complex. Because hypothetically your ironic and naive.
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Try listening to the basers, sparrers, pkers, and forters. Try asking them of what their opinions, by going to places such as bases, pk areas, or spar complex. Because hypothetically your ironic and naive.
Sam promised that bar will still be the best weapon. Now after the patch we can see that pdws, shipkas, AA12, and pbps are already dominating the bar even the less damage weapons are owning bar from what I saw during lethal fort and public pking. Gas got nerfed too. Gas should stay the same as it was in the past this nerf just made gas not even worth 50 ecs. I hope you fix the patch or keep everything as it was. Didn't expect that the game will turn into a mess
I would like to see gas back to 6 clip as many grenade launcher users are essentially dominating gas launchers not alot of people got gas like flame and many other ec guns and should be brought back to 6 clip what yall think?
I think he should nerf grenade launcher, pdw, pbp, shipka & aa12Quote:
Originally Posted by bluedragon123
Honestly I agree with the majority of the community on the most part, I honestly agree with you bitz that sparring was getting out of hand, and it did stop me from sparring when all I saw was Chems and ions and I reckon you would have to rebalance and nerf those weapons, But I don't see the point of nerfing Gm4 and other non ec guns for sparring, And like the community said, If you don't like what's happening at the complex why was multiplex created?? And I honestly disagree with how you have just gone ahead and nerfed every gun you felt like nerfing... like seriously maybe you should ask what the community thinks about your desicion instead of jumping the gun and doing what you feel is right.And I also don't see the point of Nerfing pk guns... that's the worst idea of all... I see why you went ahead and nerfed sparring guns to make it fair since your in a tiny box but pking is basically the whole map... there's no point in nerfing pk guns... like seriously there's so unfair advantage when your pking... you use whatever gun that suits you for pking, there's no "OP" pk gun... chem is good but basically only for forts... I mean you can basically use any gun to pk, but obviously the better guns are more expansive which is the point of the game... You get what you earn, and your basically making starters on the same level as veterans to make them happy? Obviously if something is op in a game rebalance it but don't rebalance every gun without even asking what the community thinks about it... I started playing era since 2010... And I just jumped on the forums and made an account after I heard they nerfing guns... and you said you were up for suggestions, well don't nerf ec weapons.... they take time to earn, And your basically just nerfing them because you couldn't get them yourself... and for example if a weapon in sparring is overly used and op, like Ion carbine or Chem, then don't make a weapon like that in the first place.. don't nerf the gun after like 1/4 of sparers have it... and another suggestion is leave pk weapons and ec weapons the same... Dont ruin the game even more.
Fix BAR.
I love the bar modification .... but only in spar .. i think we need to have the original BAR for pk/base and the new one only for spar , if this possible then just do it and you won't be blammed anymore ... one thing too , if you really want to nerf the BAR , then just make semi and not auto anymore ... thats my opinion , I don't have much gun , but i think nerf auction gun is really bad ... bitz please tell me you never win an auction because 1st : there is not alot of auction so the player who got some gun from it are rare. 2nd : If you nerf auction gun , why people must tryhard to got them ? (Make the Pink M4 buyable without auction)
There's no such thing as a 'pk' or 'spar' aside from the chemgun as you can use every gun in either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Regae1
You can't just leave a gun that is OP in spar because it isn't as strong in bases as it is ruining the sparring side. Same goes for the opposite. That's why a medium has to be found in the nerf. And no the solution of "change the stats for spar but leave them in pk" isn't a legitimate alternative as even if it could be done you have the same gun that is performing differently in each aspect of the game which over complicates things
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The patches haven't even been out for a day. You can't ask for them to be changed back when you haven't even gotten used to how the gun works. People complaining the BAR nerf was to significant I can guarantee are just hold firing the gun as if you actually used the gun, and found the new tap fire pattern for the bar you would find that it can be shot significantly faster than holding auto.
I used the bar for 5 minutes and got accused of having a modified bar with the old stats on my account because of the speed I was shooting the BAR in semi compared to him using it by holding auto
Why it is not the solution ?? "Complicates things" You are complicates things by doing this changes ~.~.Quote:
Originally Posted by BiTzSam
Sorry about that but why make it so rude , nerf all this guns will only makes people leave and this game must stay alive !!!!
Why else do you think I made this thread? I gave you the opportunity to compromise on the changes and throughout this entire thread only one person gave a reasonable stat compromise which I implemented into the stat changes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sho Minazuki
As you can see from the responses, almost all responses, if not all were based on self biased reasonings. I understand people don't like seeing the gun they use being changed but to say it shouldn't be despite knowing that the gameplay will be more skillbased as a result is a self centered reason based purely on them not wanting people who have spent less money on a gun beat them in a fight because they have more gun skill than them.
They feel that because they spent money on their gun that, that should mean that they are entitled to easy kills on everyone using a gun of lesser value when that shouldn't be the case.
Paying for a gun gives you an advantage yes, as the post nerf stats still do. But they shouldn't make you become a god because that makes gameplay unfair to everyone but you and anyone else with the gun which turns people off the core part of the game which is why you have 65% of the server not even pking
Bitzsam why do you think i can still see the old red and blue skins of gm4 it seems unfair for other gm4 owner, then bring it back.Quote:
Originally Posted by BiTzSam
Bitzsam don't listen to anyone thinking you messed up, you didn't, you balanced the pking of the game, someone had to do it for the sake of a fair game, don't like it? See you in real life, if not you're welcome to play the game.
Ion carbine why :( it's so sht now :(
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Fix the guns.
Gas launcher cant even protect base door now smh
Lmao just logged on, why m4 has a faster firerate than bar thats just sad, and why you nerfed vector if 1. It wasnt even on the list to be nerfed and 2. Its now slower than an m4. You wrote on it's description , and i quote, "vector is a gun based for sparrers" never was there a complaint of how good or bad it was, it was just an m4 with faster firerate and that its totally understandable as it costed 15k wins to get and 40k money.
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You can't please everyone. Sam could do one thing, and at least one group of people would protest it. He's trying to make the game more skill-based and less pay-to-win, which is one thing players constantly complain about on Era. Quite a few people is reacting in an immature way. The gun that they bought that was getting them the kills they want is now more so based on skill than stats, and they don't like that; but I like how it gives all players a fairer chance. Like he said, you were given the opportunity to give your opinions, and suggest things, but almost all the responses were complaints or biased reasoning as to why he should or shouldn't do it. Look from other points of views and stop thinking of you and your spar stats.
He's handling a lot of responses and criticism at once. Have some sympathy
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Don't know why it is so suprising, or why it is not understood that my job is the gun admin. Making the decision for the guns is what I am here to do. Gun balance is not something that should be down to a community discussion as I have stated various times because the majority of gun owners are unable to accept when a weapon is overpowered and needs to be balanced in favour of keeping it overpowered purely for the fact that they bought the gun.Quote:
Originally Posted by lyk12345
The only difference between me doing a weapons balance update and any other game that updates their weapon statistics is that you actually know who I am rather than it being one of many hundreds of developers working for a company as it is with battlefield, call of duty, csgo, heroes and generals, overwatch balancing updates.
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They have the same firerate, maybe look at stats before you comment on how it 'feels'. If it feels slower it's because you don't know how to correctly tapfire itQuote:
Originally Posted by iMagicBae
THIS IS BULL HONKEY I can hear the people already....including me change shipka back :p
If you think bar is too op well, add a new Ec item that bar owners can buy only for 5-10 ecs that's banned from all spar rooms. It should have the same stats as pre patch bar with a new modified style, sound, and bullets. Same stats as the old bar not even one change. and no. You can't use your 75k or whatever reward skin on ion bar just the nerfed bar. That's just an idea. If you think bar is op. Gas launcher needs to be fixed grenade launcher which costs 47 ec is better than a gas launcher 100ecs. Nobody uses the gas only the bombs. If you think it's crazy for breaking doors then remove the explosive damage to doors and just allow the normal gas to do its job for the doors. That's it hope you like the idea
You are not helping yourself. So you'd rather disregard the whole community just because you think that players are unreliable or because a few of the players are really unreliable?Quote:
Originally Posted by BiTzSam
If you think so, then why can't the players think the same too?
And it's this that is why it is generating so much outrage and so much argument.
This could have been prevented you know. It's a community, people make decisions with regard to the opinions and suggestion of others. If everyone function on their own and make decisiond solely on want they think, they'll probably make the wrong one.
And this very forum will be useless because it's use is to INFLUENCE DECISIONS AND IMPROVE THE GAME.
you need to learn how to be open to the players' viewpoints instead of insisting on your own in the name of your job.
Kirzey started an updates wishes to garner feedback and that's the right way to do things. Learn from him.
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I just think it's funny to point out that there are more people sparring and basing right now then there have been in a long time. Go see for yourself
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95% of players are never going to be supportive of gun balances because that's how this playerbase is. This thread is your proof. 1 person in 28+ thread pages actually read the thread and posted a suggestion which was carried out. Nobody else even tried to compromiseQuote:
Originally Posted by lyk12345
In my evaluation I did highlight the players too. It's not that I'm not supportive of the idea, but it's probably just too sudden for players themselves to accept it.Quote:
Originally Posted by BiTzSam
What's Done cannot be undone. It's time for you to think of how you are gonna reach a consensus with the players. Leaving the tension to fade away seems pretty unlikely, unless you want players to start quilting.
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They aren't just checked only 1 room was occupied.Quote:
Originally Posted by BiTzSam
You made a big mistake.
#RIPera
This Was a actually a good thing to do why? becuase people only thing they did was spam and spam people only thought about that back then people actually had skill and not just spam a gun like the new gens now do just spam yes some guns shouldn't have been NERFED The bar like I said Was beaten by a 1.5k gralat gun that being a ak47 but not all these nerfs are bad u guys say it's bad becuase the spam of the gun is gone and u can't spam anymore use skill and don't just spam.
Starting clearing this mess up, Sam. We can't have players complaining everywhere and starting Riots 24/7
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We can't make the compromise, you do. That's 400$ Canadian dollars i spent on the only good guns in the game and won't be using them anymore. A compromise would be a refund and price drop for these garbage guns. The Thompson is now my go to gun and it's less than half the price of the bar. This is ridiculousQuote:
Originally Posted by BiTzSam
What about minigun?
Actually basing numbers seem roughly the same to me. Those afking at start are still afking. I'll do an update to see if things improve. Also Bitzsam the reason it seemed like there was more people basing is because they all knew you were at bbz & they came to kill you lel.Quote:
Originally Posted by BiTzSam
Lol exactly why is a 75k gun better than a 200k gun. Everyone is just going to use Thompson now and forget about bar and guns like that then people will complain about spread then spread will be removed and that its too spammy and next it will have a less firerate then people will go to metalstorm and so on... changing things doesn't help. Although some of the nerfs such as the gas launcher was good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harrio
Yes other "gun games" nerf their weapons all of the time but the difference is huge... Games like COD don't require you to spend so much money to get that gun. You earn it just a day or two. Plus these guns have been around for 6+ years now and have always been the best. So its not that easy to just randomly change everything.
Imagine spending 500$ on a PS4 or an xbox one and after couple years someone comes over and completely turn the console into junk. Same with anything else you'd spend a good couple hundred $ on. Because i spent like 400$ on guns in the game. Don't even try to say "well that was your choice" because 1 in 10 players who don't go to school or have a job sit and dig shells all day for their stuff in game.
The reasoning behind the nerf isn't even that strong.
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Now he'll just go nerf the thompson since i bought it upQuote:
Originally Posted by KipGraal
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Originally Posted by BiTzSam
The issue is we didn't pay for skill, we payed for a gun so people who suck at the game like me can still base with everyone else
This nerf is the dumbest thing that anyone has ever done in the history of this game. Can you please explain to me how a bar is worse than a start pistol now. If you're going to balance the game at least nerf every gun the same because you forgot about half the op guns that now spam spar. You know something is wrong when I'm sitting there in a spar room debating if I should use my m4 or starter pistols.
I regret ever putting money into this game and they won't ever see another dime from me again. When the m4 is better than every gun over 100k gralets there's no point in ever spending money on this game again, when this game shuts down that's all on you sam because no one wants to spend anymore money, there's no point. With the type of person you're, you don't give two sh*ts what happens in this game since you already get everything for free. We can't compromise with you because you think your ideas are the best and no one else is right. Why would anyone want to play this anymore, the whole gun system is broken. The only thing that needs a change in this game is your staff position.
Actually I like the changes made so far now I can compete with bar using ak47. I say great job Sam! Also I'd like to point out & have a look about nerfing M4, M4A3, Flame, Minigun, Shipka & Pbp. Those guns are too spammy just because they spent more money & time earning their guns doesn't mean they can be God & have better guns than me.
The nerf is up, and it is the most autistic thing I have ever witnessed since the Evolution of Combat update for Runescape. That update turned the game that I loved into an autistic ****show that I seriously never played again, and now the same thing is basically happening here. I've seriously been playing this game since near the game friggin' started, and I haven't seen this stupid of a goddamn decision ever.
All I see here is an example of "WAA this is 2 OP pls nerf cuz Im n00b." Smfh.
Why nerf the reward guns? And in the P2Ks case, AGAIN? What's the point of working hard for these rewards when all I'm gonna get is a pile of steaming bull****?
I don't know about you, but I'm done with this game. The terrible servers were already turning me off, but this is the last straw.
And the funny thing is, I rarely post on the forums, I just look at posts. So for me to actually post my opinion on this shows how ticked off I am at the stupidity of this decision.
The ak47 cost like 20$ and the bar is like 200$ they shouldn't be similar. Your point of view hurts my brain and feeds Sam's hunger for our utter disappointmentQuote:
Originally Posted by Donald
This is just wrong some people have saved up for bar their whole graal career because its so goon now you make it slow now its just bad and people have wasted their time for a gun that is no longer ledgendary status
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and for a 2nd part to my last reply QUICK BLITZSAM STARTER GUN IS TOO OP NERF IT BEFORE ITS TOO LATE
also u nerf bar but leave the sniper that is 13 dmg and does kickback =_= that has a clip of 4
He's not even pleasing the majority...Quote:
Originally Posted by Zanygraal
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Lmao i've used vector more than you and that should embarrass you considering you were the one who made it, do not even try to tell me who has more experience using weapons because regardless you are the one who makes and manages them you will always be just that. You were way too late to even attempt to "fix" or "balance" the game, multiplex has been here for a while and it fixed basing, sparring, GST and even sort of pking, things that you were too late to fix and because you are trying to act like a superhero we all have to suffer what to your knowledge its a "fair" playing environment. You are way too late to rescue a pay-to-win game that its far beyond ceasing to change. Stop pleasing yourself and start pleasing the majority. Get it right.Quote:
Originally Posted by BiTzSam
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Better late than never.Quote:
Originally Posted by iMagicBae
People should calm down and stop crying over their own personal interest