READ- Weapon Rebalancing

[jaxwashere]

Can you people try to actually talk properly rather than bashing and sending negativity towards others? If not it's best to start warning the players who do.

Man don't generalize most people here are just presenting there opinion constructively. For example I think there should me multiple gun admins so everything is seen through multiple view points. There's nothing negative about that.


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[Tasim]

If a faster fire rate for the BAR for example is not possible, would it then be acceptable to sacrifice ammo capacity, or adding longer reload times for less freeze? If the original changes were made to punish spam, I personally think being able to be slightly more mobile might give players more incentive to move around. If this on top of the already additional spread would be deemed unfair, then could a poll be made to decide which people would rather have? Since the subject of fire-rate is a closed topic, perhaps it can be better to talk about what else can be changed about the BAR to give it more viability?

I am a bit tired, so I apologize if any of this has been suggested before, or if it isnt very coherent, the thought just crossed my mind is all.

[XR]

What difference does it make when it's going to happen. I said it would and it did. There was no point putting it off. Besides the changes aren't finalised yet, the first week testing the changes isn't even over yet so chances are the changes will be finalised by the end of the month anyway

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And yes I saw the people suggesting a change such as 'make bar 8-9 damage and increase firerate' which I had already answered when first asked and didn't feel I had to keep repeating myself

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I have read what you have said (once again hypocritical to use that as you yourself haven't taken the time to read what I have said (the first page of the thread for one which I quoted you on in the last message).

Nothing you have said is 'unique' if you want your answer go look at the response I gave to the 5 other people saying the same things. I'm done repeating myself to every individual person who if they cared about this topic would go and look for the answers first instead of demand to be spoon fed and individually catered for.


You aren't even arguing for the sake of the change, at this point it's just an excuse to make an attack on me.
If you really wanted your opinion to be considered you would think at some point (providing you are even reading the responses you have been given) would suggest your own statistical changes and provide your reason why you think it should have that.

Read what I said on page 49, not gonna repeat myself, you want suggestions then there you go. And I can justify the nerfs I would make if you wish

[GenoIndeed]

What difference does it make when it's going to happen. I said it would and it did. There was no point putting it off. Besides the changes aren't finalised yet, the first week testing the changes isn't even over yet so chances are the changes will be finalised by the end of the month anyway

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And yes I saw the people suggesting a change such as 'make bar 8-9 damage and increase firerate' which I had already answered when first asked and didn't feel I had to keep repeating myself

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I have read what you have said (once again hypocritical to use that as you yourself haven't taken the time to read what I have said (the first page of the thread for one which I quoted you on in the last message).

Nothing you have said is 'unique' if you want your answer go look at the response I gave to the 5 other people saying the same things. I'm done repeating myself to every individual person who if they cared about this topic would go and look for the answers first instead of demand to be spoon fed and individually catered for.


You aren't even arguing for the sake of the change, at this point it's just an excuse to make an attack on me.
If you really wanted your opinion to be considered you would think at some point (providing you are even reading the responses you have been given) would suggest your own statistical changes and provide your reason why you think it should have that.

Yeah, because my long posts in response to what you and others are saying clearly show I haven't been reading them. I'm going to criticize your work, the way you do your work, and the mentality behind how you do it. With that said, if you still want to call it "bashing", then oh well, I'm still going to be direct and honest regardless of how you feel about it.

And you've been repeating yourself? If anything, you've only repeated your obvious lack of concern for opposing opinions. And you're saying you want "statistical suggestions" but when they're in the form of "we suggest you change the statistics back", you suddenly don't care because that's not what you want to hear.

[BiTzSam]

If a faster fire rate for the BAR for example is not possible, would it then be acceptable to sacrifice ammo capacity, or adding longer reload times for less freeze? If the original changes were made to punish spam, I personally think being able to be slightly more mobile might give players more incentive to move around. If this on top of the already additional spread would be deemed unfair, then could a poll be made to decide which people would rather have? Since the subject of fire-rate is a closed topic, perhaps it can be better to talk about what else can be changed about the BAR to give it more viability?

I am a bit tired, so I apologize if any of this has been suggested before, or if it isnt very coherent, the thought just crossed my mind is all.

I would give slightly less freeze in exchange for halfing the spread, potentially even more. It's risky to make a 10 damage gun have too little freeze as then it would become an extremely strong gun a large portion of people would use in spar.

The other option would be to do what I did with minigun where it might be able to be given a higher firerate but the tradeoff is it would have almost no mobility when hold firing. The firerate increase wouldn't be too much higher as the whole point of the nerf was to reduce how dominant/ effective the bar was in just being able to spam a choke point in bases with next to no opportunity to advance on them without being killed before you reach them.

I had considered giving the bar an attachment option that worked similar to the psg prone but then I went against that as it would bring back the spam. Idk I can probably play around with it but as every bar skin would have to be reganied to implement it i'm not going to do it just to trial it out to then scrap

[LYK08]

https://lykspersonalblog.files.wordp...-rebalance.pdf

I'll offer some insight.

[jaxwashere]

I would give slightly less freeze in exchange for halfing the spread, potentially even more. It's risky to make a 10 damage gun have too little freeze as then it would become an extremely strong gun a large portion of people would use in spar.

The other option would be to do what I did with minigun where it might be able to be given a higher firerate but the tradeoff is it would have almost no mobility when hold firing. The firerate increase wouldn't be too much higher as the whole point of the nerf was to reduce how dominant/ effective the bar was in just being able to spam a choke point in bases with next to no opportunity to advance on them without being killed before you reach them.

I had considered giving the bar an attachment option that worked similar to the psg prone but then I went against that as it would bring back the spam. Idk I can probably play around with it but as every bar skin would have to be reganied to implement it i'm not going to do it just to trial it out to then scrap

A large majority of educated players have an issue with you making any decisions when it comes to weapons. Before any more changes are made I think a group of admins perhaps yourself Meph and a few others need to take a look at the era economy as well as the statistics before making changes. Including people who actively play and keep the community's opinions in mind not just certain people who's opinions you deem acceptable.


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[LYK08]

they have an issue because of their reluctant to adapt and actually develop the skills. The admins cannot do anything about your reluctance to do anything about your skills if you do not help yourself.

[jaxwashere]

they have an issue because of their reluctant to adapt and actually develop the skills. The admins cannot do anything about your reluctance to do anything about your skills if you do not help yourself.

Dude I was ranked one on spar yesterday (146 wins before I got off) I have 13900 spar wins and 5 k losses it's not a whole lot lot but it's descent. It has nothing to do with skill or lack there of. I also mpx spar occasional but find it boring because it's always empty. I have over 30 guns the nerfs have not personally effected me but I can sympathize with other people it's NOT ABOUT ME. Some people are kids who spent lots of time on this game and can only get one gun and it performs subpar. Stop assuming things also you never answered my question what's your in game name?




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[LYK08]

Well I don't care if your are doing this for yourself or for others. But I do see that youre attempting to cover up for other's reluctance to adapt and be adept at whichever activity involved.

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