READ- Weapon Rebalancing

[N!chola$]

@BiTzSam

You can care about this story or not (IDC, because your probably gonna justify it anyway)

*Back story*About 3-4 years ago I bought bar in hopes of learning the ropes to using what was the best gun in the game. There was no warning to whether the guns would get buffed/nerfed. I took it upon myself to clean my parents car (Inside and out), move all the boxes from downstairs upstairs (at the same point spraining my ankle), do all the dishes for 4 months, etc. But the point I'm trying to make is that BAR was a gun I was willing to do REAL LIFE WORK for, but now I wouldn't do anything for that.

You have made a 200k gun into a 100k gun, I could care less about your justification bs. Just ADMIT you made a HUGE mistake change everything.

Things you have done really well in (IN my eyes, whether you care or not):

-Updating skins (PK reward skins, pbp, aa-12, etc)
-Making sure that Hackers/Glitchers/slurs are not being used in Complex
-Giving us new gun selection/adding new content (Aimpoint, Aimpoint island, Ion guns, etc...)
-Gang Admin (Even though it was for a short time, at least that's what you said when I asked you)
-Loyalty
-Countryside (Giving us updates on CS, such as "SNK just needs to script it")

But one of the BIG things that I thought was very unprofessional was not keeping your word...

You said that the nerf was going to occur at the END OF THE MONTH.
By saying that I and others (May or may not) lose the respect that we had for you.

Some people may have a much more enjoyable time playing but there was away larger player base from day-to-day.
For example:
There was 1.2k online at 9am (PST) and there's usually 1.8k online.

But I hope you do the write thing and do what the people are telling you what's wrong. (The nerf is the problem)


Have a nice day!

[Moo V]

I personally don't mind all theses updates and rebalancings since whever I base with a Gm4, the second I walk into a raid (or attack or whatever you call it), I'd instantly be at 20-30 HP compared to me walking in with 50 HP; due to BAR spammers. But the thing thats bothering me is why does the Ghost M4 have 2 different stats? Like if you go in game and use the Gm4 in Auto and Semi, you can definitely notice the difference in preformance and stat.

I suggest or propose that Ghost M4 becomes an pure Auto or Semi (preferably Auto since its more useful in many situations but doesn't matter) and Ghost M4 gets an attachment/add on ability. As for the status wise, I believe we can find a median between the 2 current stats or keep the Semi's status.

As for the people who thinks my proposal is stupid or unreasonable then here is my reason:

- Its extremely irritating whenever you are in Gang Spar or Sparring in general, and when you switch modes (via accident when reloading) its literally like using an entirely different gun; this can go for Pking too, when someone tries to 1 v 1 you (aka hindering your performance).

- There is a lot of guns who has this "2 stat in a gun thing" and its not really new for Ghost M4 to have it but take M4a3 for example. M4a3 is a fusion between 2 guns, a pistol and an assault rifle, while Ghost M4 is a single gun (just does not seem right).

- Most experienced players that uses Ghost M4 nowadays doesn't even switch to Auto mode since in "Auto", your movement is literally as if you were spamming a Minigun; slow and sluggish (or in other words, the Auto mode is complete useless in majority of the situations).

[BiTzSam]

You might find auto useless, and you're probably better off using semi anyway but most of the people i've seen using gm4 have been using the auto option because they prefer a higher firerate gun.
I don't really think it's reasonable to remove it completely just because you accidentally tap it??? That'd mean you're tapping the icon to reload it rather than the glove which is the actual reload button, and doesn't give you the potential to accidentally tap it.

Lots of guns have more than 1 icon. M4a3 has 2 icons and people don't ask for it to be removed because they accidentally tap it. Don't see how you could accidentally tap it anyway unless you have large fingers. Also the penalty for switching to auto is only a 0.01 freeze so it's not like you can't quickly switch back to it.

Besides you might not find auto useful in sparring but in certain basing situations where you don't have to move much you might

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@BiTzSam

You can care about this story or not (IDC, because your probably gonna justify it anyway)

*Back story*About 3-4 years ago I bought bar in hopes of learning the ropes to using what was the best gun in the game. There was no warning to whether the guns would get buffed/nerfed. I took it upon myself to clean my parents car (Inside and out), move all the boxes from downstairs upstairs (at the same point spraining my ankle), do all the dishes for 4 months, etc. But the point I'm trying to make is that BAR was a gun I was willing to do REAL LIFE WORK for, but now I wouldn't do anything for that.

You have made a 200k gun into a 100k gun, I could care less about your justification bs. Just ADMIT you made a HUGE mistake change everything.

Things you have done really well in (IN my eyes, whether you care or not):

-Updating skins (PK reward skins, pbp, aa-12, etc)
-Making sure that Hackers/Glitchers/slurs are not being used in Complex
-Giving us new gun selection/adding new content (Aimpoint, Aimpoint island, Ion guns, etc...)
-Gang Admin (Even though it was for a short time, at least that's what you said when I asked you)
-Loyalty
-Countryside (Giving us updates on CS, such as "SNK just needs to script it")

But one of the BIG things that I thought was very unprofessional was not keeping your word...

You said that the nerf was going to occur at the END OF THE MONTH.
By saying that I and others (May or may not) lose the respect that we had for you.

Some people may have a much more enjoyable time playing but there was away larger player base from day-to-day.
For example:
There was 1.2k online at 9am (PST) and there's usually 1.8k online.

But I hope you do the write thing and do what the people are telling you what's wrong. (The nerf is the problem)


Have a nice day!

Don't see how the change not happening at the end of the month makes any difference. And you have already said this before in this thread and I have already answered it so I don't know why you are saying it a second time.

I never set an official date, I just said it would PROBABLY be at the end of the month because I wasn't sure when i'd have time to do it. All I got asked about in game is 'when is the nerf coming' 'are the nerfs true' 'whats being nerfed' from people who couldn't even be bothered going to the forums to find the information themselves so I implemented the changes.

What difference does it make when it was done? If you think if it was at the end of the month you'd have been able to persuade me not to do it then you'd be wrong. I said it was going to happen and it did, I "gave you my word" on that

[Moo V]

You might find auto useless, and you're probably better off using semi anyway but most of the people i've seen using gm4 have been using the auto option because they prefer a higher firerate gun.
I don't really think it's reasonable to remove it completely just because you accidentally tap it??? That'd mean you're tapping the icon to reload it rather than the glove which is the actual reload button, and doesn't give you the potential to accidentally tap it.

Lots of guns have more than 1 icon. M4a3 has 2 icons and people don't ask for it to be removed because they accidentally tap it. Don't see how you could accidentally tap it anyway unless you have large fingers. Also the penalty for switching to auto is only a 0.01 freeze so it's not like you can't quickly switch back to it.

Besides you might not find auto useful in sparring but in certain basing situations where you don't have to move much you might

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Don't see how the change not happening at the end of the month makes any difference. And you have already said this before in this thread and I have already answered it so I don't know why you are saying it a second time.

I never set an official date, I just said it would PROBABLY be at the end of the month because I wasn't sure when i'd have time to do it. All I got asked about in game is 'when is the nerf coming' 'are the nerfs true' 'whats being nerfed' from people who couldn't even be bothered going to the forums to find the information themselves so I implemented the changes.

What difference does it make when it was done? If you think if it was at the end of the month you'd have been able to persuade me not to do it then you'd be wrong. I said it was going to happen and it did, I "gave you my word" on that

In sparring that 0.01 freeze can equal 9-10 HP. Thats a solid 1/5 of your HP gone because of an accident, and in an intese fight with someone thats using bar or something of equal caliber, our attention will mostly be focused in the bullet's pattern or our opponent's movement. I usually "guess-tap" the gun icon or glove (as you said) since most people cannot afford to break their focus just because of a reload.
Also its true many people prefer a higher fire rate gun but isn't that completely against the ideals of this update?
Prevent spamming and promote more skill based plays
Plus you didn't mention that annoying MiniGun movement speed in auto.
(I suggest making a Poll and see the community's imput instead of "I see ____ prefer ___" )

[Markymark98]

I want my money back for the bar. I would never spend 200k for a 10 dmg uzi. Idc what your dumb*** justification is for "nerfing" it. Leave it the way it is, but I want my money back. Nearly everyone wants it back to normal. You didn't do your job correctly, but you successfully single handedly ruined the games concept. Congrats retard.

[Moo V]

I want my money back for the bar. I would never spend 200k for a 10 dmg uzi. Idc what your dumb*** justification is for "nerfing" it. Leave it the way it is, but I want my money back. Nearly everyone wants it back to normal. You didn't do your job correctly, but you successfully single handedly ruined the games concept. Congrats retard.

Argue with reasons, not insults.
Bitzsam gave his idea of making era a better "era" and so did other people. Please respect his decisions, he is the admin, not us.

[Prancer]

He put an end to the SpammingEra ;(

[Markymark98]

He's the admin. Correct. A bad one but an admin nonetheless. Don't tell me how to respond to a situation. I'm pissed because I have been cheated. The bar can stay this way, but I want my money back. I wasted too much time and money on this gun for it to be this bad. This whole argument is a reason, and the insults were added in for context. Thank you and I hope you have a wonderful day. Go knuckle shuffle your pee pump pal.

[Moo V]

He's the admin. Correct. A bad one but an admin nonetheless. Don't tell me how to respond to a situation. I'm pissed because I have been cheated. The bar can stay this way, but I want my money back. I wasted too much time and money on this gun for it to be this bad. This whole argument is a reason, and the insults were added in for context. Thank you and I hope you have a wonderful day. Go knuckle shuffle your pee pump pal.

I see your point now and I can relate. Spending real money on this game for a specific gun for its specific preformance is what we paided for. But remember that BAR is still one of the strongest gun in game, thats a fact. I personally own a Ghost M4 and I've been using Gm4 for the past 2 years and this update didn't really change much; yes its annoying that its weaker but its not "OMG WHY DID YOU DO THIS, I HATE YOU, ITS SO USELESS, KYS".
Also for Bitzsam, you said you want to give the newer players a chance right?
Then instead of weakening us who is already at the top of the food chain, you should help the newer players by increasing the payload of jobs or release more unique jobs. This way they can:
- Have a better chance of getting newer and stronger guns
- More motivation to work for guns
- Reduce this game's Pay To Win aspect a little
- Overall make the working process a bit more enjoyable.
I know as a Gun Admin you cannot change the game's system/script but as you work on Country Side, please take that into consideration.

[Markymark98]

I see your point now and I can relate. Spending real money on this game for a specific gun for its specific preformance is what we paided for. But remember that BAR is still one of the strongest gun in game, thats a fact. I personally own a Ghost M4 and I've been using Gm4 for the past 2 years and this update didn't really change much; yes its annoying that its weaker but its not "OMG WHY DID YOU DO THIS, I HATE YOU, ITS SO USELESS, KYS".
Also for Bitzsam, you said you want to give the newer players a chance right?
Then instead of weakening us who is already at the top of the food chain, you should help the newer players by increasing the payload of jobs or release more unique jobs. This way they can:
- Have a better chance of getting newer and stronger guns
- More motivation to work for guns
- Reduce this game's Pay To Win aspect a little
- Overall make the working process a bit more enjoyable.
I know as a Gun Admin you cannot change the game's system/script but as you work on Country Side, please take that into consideration.

Exactly I want my money back or bar returned to normal. This wasn't a nerf he completely remade the gun and it's horrible now. I disagree with you on the bar still being good. It is horrible and annoying to use; even when I use it skillfully it is rubbish.