READ- Weapon Rebalancing

[Markymark98]

Its all about the timing of your shots. You can increase your rof if you fire your shot as closely as the cool time is over; I like call this "getting in sync with your gun".

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I'd hate to say this and I completely understand your frustration but you need to look at the bigger picture. I'm not saying this in a insulting way but in order for the game to become better, it has to make some sacrifices, and sadly BAR is one of the sacrifices that was needed. But hey, on the bright side every single gun thats close to BAR's level have also been nerfed so BAR is still stronger than GM4, (maybe) P2K, etc.

That's just it. It's not making the game better. It's uncalled for and childish.

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Hmmmm, think of it this way: You spent $100 real life money for a OP pixel gun with insane stats. Now Bitzsam comes and change the stats but says its "hierarchy" isn't changed.

That alone makes a lot of people salty because people brought BAR because it was "Holy cow so op, wow amazing, wow i can rekt ppl, wow wow wow wow."

And you have a point about the veterans being able to polish their dodging skills but then again, now with these guns that are slightly slower the "newbies" will also have a better chance at learning the dodges and stuff, so its really beneficial to both sides. The issue I see here is that people are salty because their favorite weapon isn't as "glorious" as it used to be and they feel scammed of their money. Put it this way:
Bar (A): Fast Fire Rate, Low Freeze, 20 Clip, 200,000 price [Old]
Bar (B): Medium Fire Rate, Medium Freeze, 15 (or whatever the new clip size is) Clip, 200,000 price [New]
- What do you think the people would prefer?
They would definitely prefer A, since the stat for both the BARs is completely different yet their price remained the same.

Exactly my point very well put.

[Moo V]

He makes a huge point, it's impossible to protect yourself against gun walls now

Thats true but the people that forms the Gun Walls will also have slower BARs/GM4s. Plus Gun Walls are easy to break, just grab a HW shield (reduce dmg by 50%) and just charge (Most likely they will either: Break Formation or they will stop to heal.)
In a Gang vs Gang, its about how well you guys work together, (send out specfic memebers to do specific task or charge in as a group).
It may sound like I'm defending Bitzsam but I really am not. I'm also upset about how Gm4 have fricken 2 stat in 1 single gun that is not even a fusion of 2 or more guns.

[Donald]

Listen up all you are all being so stupid that I cant even believe it!

1. Just stfu and stop crying i get it complain first day, I admit i was upset too but im over it LOL

2. How about instead of sitting here crying about it lets talk about some compromises that we can make yea?

3. Hes not going to just remove the nerfs ok I thought you guys would have accepted it by now, like i have and use better sense to at least make our terrible situation a little more tolerable



As for me I would like to see Bar have a clip decrease maybe to like 15 for slightly increased fire rate also with a decrease in spread and higher freeze


Also kf you do decide to touch water staff consider

Lower fire rate with an increased clip

We don't want to cry we just want our money back. You can continue to play the game if you want but we want out.

[Moo V]

We don't want to cry we just want our money back. You can continue to play the game if you want but we want out.

Tbh I don't think it is possible since you did spent money on this game while you know that Era is flawed. No one forced you to spent money and that applies to me too.
I've tried quitting (its been like 70+ days ever since I logged on) and I have decided to come back since theres too many things for me to give up.

[Donald]

Tbh I don't think it is possible since you did spent money on this game while you know that Era is flawed. No one forced you to spent money and that applies to me too.
I've tried quitting (its been like 70+ days ever since I logged on) and I have decided to come back since theres too many things for me to give up.

''You didn't purchase the stats as those aren't provided in the description- you bought the gun and the gun is what you still have''-Bitzsam 2017

Tbh we don't wanna complain. I don't think we are the target audience of this change. Bitz's target audience is those newbies afking at start. He said that this will potentially make the ally system not work because all the bases will be busy being attacked & defending their own bases. Well we're 2 weeks into this nothing seems to have changed newbies are still afking, you guys can complain & say we're B!tching but the fact of the matter is the nerf has failed to deliver all it has done is forcing existing players to adapt. The nerf has failed to deliver only proving a disruptive force. Maybe you can make a case for spar but everything else base spar fort pk its still the same existing players being forced to adapt.
Bitz said this change will lead to more gun variety, I'm not sure how thats going to work out, but atm all those basing, sparring, pking still doesn't seem very enticing to new players .

Bitz how does this lead to more gun variety & what do you mean by gun variety? You mean new guns? & how do you think the nerf is going so far? You said this change will 'balance things' lead to more basing, sparing, etc. Has it worked out that way or is it just same situation but different guns.
Do you see more players? Do you see an improvement in base, Pk & fort?
How will gun variety attract new players?
Wouldn't players that want to base still flock to the best guns, how does this addresses the players afking at start & how is this situation panning out now that the changes have been implemented?

[Sho Minazuki]

''You didn't purchase the stats as those aren't provided in the description- you bought the gun and the gun is what you still have''-Bitzsam 2017

Tbh we don't wanna complain. I don't think we are the target audience of this change. Bitz's target audience is those newbies afking at start. He said that this will potentially make the ally system not work because all the bases will be busy being attacked & defending their own bases. Well we're 2 weeks into this nothing has changed newbies are still afking, you guys can complain & say we're B!tching but the fact of the matter is the nerf has failed to deliver all it has done is forcing existing players to adapt. The nerf has failed to deliver only proving a disruptive force. Maybe you can make a case for spar but everything else base spar fort pk its still the same existing players being forced to adapt.
Bitz said this change will lead to more gun variety, I'm not sure how thats going to work out, but atm all those basing, sparring, pking still doesn't seem very enticing to new players .

Bitz how does this lead to more gun variety & what do you mean by gun variety? You mean new guns? & how do you think the nerf is going so far? You said this change will 'balance things' lead to more basing, sparing, etc. Has it worked out that way or is it just same situation but different guns.
Do you see more players? Do you see an improvement in base, Pk & fort?
How will gun variety attract new players?
Wouldn't players till flock to the best guns in which doesn't that equates to nothing has changed?

What a splendid and rational speech.

[Moo V]

''You didn't purchase the stats as those aren't provided in the description- you bought the gun and the gun is what you still have''-Bitzsam 2017

Tbh we don't wanna complain. I don't think we are the target audience of this change. Bitz's target audience is those newbies afking at start. He said that this will potentially make the ally system not work because all the bases will be busy being attacked & defending their own bases. Well we're 2 weeks into this nothing seems to have changed newbies are still afking, you guys can complain & say we're B!tching but the fact of the matter is the nerf has failed to deliver all it has done is forcing existing players to adapt. The nerf has failed to deliver only proving a disruptive force. Maybe you can make a case for spar but everything else base spar fort pk its still the same existing players being forced to adapt.
Bitz said this change will lead to more gun variety, I'm not sure how thats going to work out, but atm all those basing, sparring, pking still doesn't seem very enticing to new players .

Bitz how does this lead to more gun variety & what do you mean by gun variety? You mean new guns? & how do you think the nerf is going so far? You said this change will 'balance things' lead to more basing, sparing, etc. Has it worked out that way or is it just same situation but different guns.
Do you see more players? Do you see an improvement in base, Pk & fort?
How will gun variety attract new players?
Wouldn't players that want to base still flock to the best guns, how does this addresses the players afking at start & how is this situation panning out now that the changes have been implemented?

But then again, those people AFKing or RPing does not know or are aware of this change. Plus even with these changes what can they do? M16 vs BAR? No.
They can do nothing.
They are aware that even with this "nerf" that high tier guns are still high tier and if they want to compete, they'll have to fight Fire with Fire thus bring back the: Need better job payment or more unique jobs.
Also Bitzsam, most people who AFK or RP is what they choose to do, they find it more entertaining than to just go rambo and kill everyone. Theres a variety of gangs in this game that serves the purpose like:
- Basing Gangs: proves whos the strongest
- Spar Gangs: proves whos the most skillful
- Mafia Gangs: proves whos more dominate
- Pk Gangs: proves whos more determined
- Trade Gangs: proves whos the richest
- RP Gangs: proves....well...most social (?)

[imSupah]

Well since my old account is lost on this site and I have no way of accessing it, I opted to make this one. This is by far one of the fastest growing threads I've seen on Era-Go quite honestly. Where to being with my thoughts towards these nerfs. Well first, I have to say that the nerfs kind of killed my enjoyment for the game. Were weapons like BAR or PBP or GM4 OP? Yes, they were. Did they needed nerfs? Perhaps in the past, but not now when they been the same for years now. I believe this is why people are complaining as true we did pay the price of the gun and that's not a valid reason to justified against these nerfs, BUT if they were done around the time of said gun release, it would have been better. Sam does have a point though and that is games like these will have balance patches and changes. This is not the only game that I spent money on where the items I use has got a nerf or balance change. Stuff like this happens sadly. Anyway, I hope you all give suggestions rather than bashing and insults. While I dislike the nerfs myself, I and all of you know they won't be reverted. It's best to give ideas than to just say over and over again to get refund because we all know what the answer to that is.

[Donald]

Well since my old account is lost on this site and I have no way of accessing it, I opted to make this one. This is by far one of the fastest growing threads I've seen on Era-Go quite honestly. Where to being with my thoughts towards these nerfs. Well first, I have to say that the nerfs kind of killed my enjoyment for the game. Were weapons like BAR or PBP or GM4 OP? Yes, they were. Did they needed nerfs? Perhaps in the past, but not now when they been the same for years now. I believe this is why people are complaining as true we did pay the price of the gun and that's not a valid reason to justified against these nerfs, BUT if they were done around the time of said gun release, it would have been better. Sam does have a point though and that is games like these will have balance patches and changes. This is not the only game that I spent money on where the items I use has got a nerf or balance change. Stuff like this happens sadly. Anyway, I hope you all give suggestions rather than bashing and insults. While I dislike the nerfs myself, I and all of you know they won't be reverted. It's best to give ideas than to just say over and over again to get refund because we all know what the answer to that is.

Yes we won't get a refund. No one bashing or insulting anyone. We don't like the changes. & we don't feel like playing the game anymore.
We feel like the game is going in the wrong direction.
The purpose of the nerf is to ''balance the game so it leads to more players basing, pking & sparring'', that sounds great but how are things really panning out? If the changes did not make things more enticing to new players & players that WANT to base will still go to the best guns. Then whats the purpose of this change other than forcing existing players to adapt? Wouldn't such changes be redundant if it failed to fulfil its objective. Whats the point of the gun suggestions, if its not gonna make things more enticing to new players?
If it doesn't fulfil its purpose why go on with these changes?
If you disagree with me then show me the results, show me the new players don't just say its make the game more balance blah blah blah, show me the results, show me & prove me wrong because I sure as hell want to see these so called ''more players' basing.

[Markymark98]

I like how this whole thread has been Sam picking and choosing the articles he can throw under the bus, and try to justify his screw up. Stating he could easily kill shipka players with updated bar. I feel as if there is little to no truth behind his statements. I want to see him go into a random base and find 3-4 shipka users and him kill at least 2 of them with the new bar. Good luck. Veteran players can't even do it. All you did with this nerf it rotate the tiers of weapons. You didn't decrease the range on the tiers or the gap between tiers even. You but the most expensive gun in the game in a tier shared with the scar and in some aspects a 650$ uzi. All you are doing is dismantling arguments you seem fit and stating what YOU could do with the nerfed bar or other gun. You're also doing so in a somewhat rude manner that admins aren't known to portray. You've gone power hungry and me along with a lot of other people in this community do not appreciate. There's good points on both sides of this spectrum. But it doesn't matter. The bar is not worth that big 200k price tag anymore. No one would pay 200k for that pos gun.