It's like 5k though right (idk)? And 10 dmg perfect [emoji848] with a really good fire rate..Quote:
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It's like 5k though right (idk)? And 10 dmg perfect [emoji848] with a really good fire rate..Quote:
Originally Posted by Lazerlatte
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I already responded to that suggestion when you posted it along with the other changes, go back a few pages to see the responseQuote:
Originally Posted by Prancer
Rip cripple
Okay so this is my first suggestion on gun stats, so yeah, on the bar, i know its updated yesterday, bar has 15 clip for its reload was 0.35 so thats medium reload, by reducing of 3-4 which is 11-12 clip, increase a little bit of firerate, by this, bar is more smoothly to use because of this suggestion that i made...
Whats is happening right now in guns and all this mess its because of you sam didnt do the right calculations before u take this step of nerfing guns u did it fast and whats happening now we players suffering everyday we see a new nerf and fixes / buffs i guess u should have taken this case of nerfing the guns more serious and slowly so u can study each gun well coz after 1 week or less of making this thread u nerfed the guns that where listed what came after a better guns showed up so the better guns had to get a nerf / buffs and changes , this gonna take ages to get settled coz now what's happening people right now is comparing guns and what i see bar the king is not any more a gun thats wanted which it should be wanted coz its the best / one of most expensive guns in era people now would rater use 50k guns coz of their stats are better than bar in ages which is actually unfair seeing an expensive gun not even comparable to a cheap gun .
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As stated 3 times to people suggesting the same thing, i'm not reincreasing the firerate. See the response I gave them for the reason whyQuote:
Originally Posted by Key
Then i guess i dont have a choice ._. But is this changes
Is going to be on official gun stats thread?
Btw whats the reason? I need to heard it anyways
Name - MTARX
Freeze - 0.15
Firerate - 0.265 > 0.23
Spread - 0.09
Clip - 17 > 14 or 13
Reload - 0.35 > 0.38-9
Bullets - 1
Auto - N
Stacked - N
How about this?
Those nerfs aren't enough to compensate that increase in firerate. MTAR is unlikely to receive a buff. Considering its stats are on par with a 200k, 100k kill requirement gun (p2ks) I don't really see why it needs to be any better
P2k needs a buff, it's worse than bar but 100k kills, they're honestly too slow for what their true worth should be, considering it's the same price as BAR and the difference between a single and dual pistol is the clip sizeQuote:
Originally Posted by BiTzSam
@BiTzSam
You can care about this story or not (IDC, because your probably gonna justify it anyway)
*Back story*About 3-4 years ago I bought bar in hopes of learning the ropes to using what was the best gun in the game. There was no warning to whether the guns would get buffed/nerfed. I took it upon myself to clean my parents car (Inside and out), move all the boxes from downstairs upstairs (at the same point spraining my ankle), do all the dishes for 4 months, etc. But the point I'm trying to make is that BAR was a gun I was willing to do REAL LIFE WORK for, but now I wouldn't do anything for that.
You have made a 200k gun into a 100k gun, I could care less about your justification bs. Just ADMIT you made a HUGE mistake change everything.
Things you have done really well in (IN my eyes, whether you care or not):
-Updating skins (PK reward skins, pbp, aa-12, etc)
-Making sure that Hackers/Glitchers/slurs are not being used in Complex
-Giving us new gun selection/adding new content (Aimpoint, Aimpoint island, Ion guns, etc...)
-Gang Admin (Even though it was for a short time, at least that's what you said when I asked you)
-Loyalty
-Countryside (Giving us updates on CS, such as "SNK just needs to script it")
But one of the BIG things that I thought was very unprofessional was not keeping your word...
You said that the nerf was going to occur at the END OF THE MONTH.
By saying that I and others (May or may not) lose the respect that we had for you.
Some people may have a much more enjoyable time playing but there was away larger player base from day-to-day.
For example:
There was 1.2k online at 9am (PST) and there's usually 1.8k online.
But I hope you do the write thing and do what the people are telling you what's wrong. (The nerf is the problem)
Have a nice day!:)
I personally don't mind all theses updates and rebalancings since whever I base with a Gm4, the second I walk into a raid (or attack or whatever you call it), I'd instantly be at 20-30 HP compared to me walking in with 50 HP; due to BAR spammers. But the thing thats bothering me is why does the Ghost M4 have 2 different stats? Like if you go in game and use the Gm4 in Auto and Semi, you can definitely notice the difference in preformance and stat.
I suggest or propose that Ghost M4 becomes an pure Auto or Semi (preferably Auto since its more useful in many situations but doesn't matter) and Ghost M4 gets an attachment/add on ability. As for the status wise, I believe we can find a median between the 2 current stats or keep the Semi's status.
As for the people who thinks my proposal is stupid or unreasonable then here is my reason:
- Its extremely irritating whenever you are in Gang Spar or Sparring in general, and when you switch modes (via accident when reloading) its literally like using an entirely different gun; this can go for Pking too, when someone tries to 1 v 1 you (aka hindering your performance).
- There is a lot of guns who has this "2 stat in a gun thing" and its not really new for Ghost M4 to have it but take M4a3 for example. M4a3 is a fusion between 2 guns, a pistol and an assault rifle, while Ghost M4 is a single gun (just does not seem right).
- Most experienced players that uses Ghost M4 nowadays doesn't even switch to Auto mode since in "Auto", your movement is literally as if you were spamming a Minigun; slow and sluggish (or in other words, the Auto mode is complete useless in majority of the situations).
You might find auto useless, and you're probably better off using semi anyway but most of the people i've seen using gm4 have been using the auto option because they prefer a higher firerate gun.
I don't really think it's reasonable to remove it completely just because you accidentally tap it??? That'd mean you're tapping the icon to reload it rather than the glove which is the actual reload button, and doesn't give you the potential to accidentally tap it.
Lots of guns have more than 1 icon. M4a3 has 2 icons and people don't ask for it to be removed because they accidentally tap it. Don't see how you could accidentally tap it anyway unless you have large fingers. Also the penalty for switching to auto is only a 0.01 freeze so it's not like you can't quickly switch back to it.
Besides you might not find auto useful in sparring but in certain basing situations where you don't have to move much you might
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Don't see how the change not happening at the end of the month makes any difference. And you have already said this before in this thread and I have already answered it so I don't know why you are saying it a second time.Quote:
Originally Posted by N!chola$
I never set an official date, I just said it would PROBABLY be at the end of the month because I wasn't sure when i'd have time to do it. All I got asked about in game is 'when is the nerf coming' 'are the nerfs true' 'whats being nerfed' from people who couldn't even be bothered going to the forums to find the information themselves so I implemented the changes.
What difference does it make when it was done? If you think if it was at the end of the month you'd have been able to persuade me not to do it then you'd be wrong. I said it was going to happen and it did, I "gave you my word" on that
In sparring that 0.01 freeze can equal 9-10 HP. Thats a solid 1/5 of your HP gone because of an accident, and in an intese fight with someone thats using bar or something of equal caliber, our attention will mostly be focused in the bullet's pattern or our opponent's movement. I usually "guess-tap" the gun icon or glove (as you said) since most people cannot afford to break their focus just because of a reload.Quote:
Originally Posted by BiTzSam
Also its true many people prefer a higher fire rate gun but isn't that completely against the ideals of this update?
Prevent spamming and promote more skill based plays
Plus you didn't mention that annoying MiniGun movement speed in auto.
(I suggest making a Poll and see the community's imput instead of "I see ____ prefer ___" )
I want my money back for the bar. I would never spend 200k for a 10 dmg uzi. Idc what your dumb*** justification is for "nerfing" it. Leave it the way it is, but I want my money back. Nearly everyone wants it back to normal. You didn't do your job correctly, but you successfully single handedly ruined the games concept. Congrats retard.
Argue with reasons, not insults.Quote:
Originally Posted by Markymark98
Bitzsam gave his idea of making era a better "era" and so did other people. Please respect his decisions, he is the admin, not us.
He put an end to the SpammingEra ;(
He's the admin. Correct. A bad one but an admin nonetheless. Don't tell me how to respond to a situation. I'm pissed because I have been cheated. The bar can stay this way, but I want my money back. I wasted too much time and money on this gun for it to be this bad. This whole argument is a reason, and the insults were added in for context. Thank you and I hope you have a wonderful day. Go knuckle shuffle your pee pump pal.
I see your point now and I can relate. Spending real money on this game for a specific gun for its specific preformance is what we paided for. But remember that BAR is still one of the strongest gun in game, thats a fact. I personally own a Ghost M4 and I've been using Gm4 for the past 2 years and this update didn't really change much; yes its annoying that its weaker but its not "OMG WHY DID YOU DO THIS, I HATE YOU, ITS SO USELESS, KYS".Quote:
Originally Posted by Markymark98
Also for Bitzsam, you said you want to give the newer players a chance right?
Then instead of weakening us who is already at the top of the food chain, you should help the newer players by increasing the payload of jobs or release more unique jobs. This way they can:
- Have a better chance of getting newer and stronger guns
- More motivation to work for guns
- Reduce this game's Pay To Win aspect a little
- Overall make the working process a bit more enjoyable.
I know as a Gun Admin you cannot change the game's system/script but as you work on Country Side, please take that into consideration.
Exactly I want my money back or bar returned to normal. This wasn't a nerf he completely remade the gun and it's horrible now. I disagree with you on the bar still being good. It is horrible and annoying to use; even when I use it skillfully it is rubbish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moo V
The old bar was too fast but I do think this one is a bit too slow, could use a small increase in rof
It needs returned to normal stats or I want my money back.Quote:
Originally Posted by GenoIndeed
I've seen this idea mentioned in this thread several times, and I don't fully understand how this kind of change hurts the veteran players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moo V
I would actually think this nerf benefits the veteran players more than the newer players, as veteran players have had time to get proficient at dodging bullets; and hence would be good with any gun.
Before the nerf, the overpowered BAR gave newer players a handicap to help bridge their skill deficiency (dodging bullets and timing shots).
Now that the BAR has been nerfed, they no longer have the option of letting their wallet fight for them.
I could be missing something -- but it seems to me like newer players are more disadvantaged now; as they have lost the option to purchase a handicap.
If somebody could clear up for me how veteran players are 'weakened' by this change, so I can get an understanding of your perspective? =D
Actually this move has had the opposite effect of creating ''skill based play & no spam''. And I'm not talking about going solo vs gang in bbz, where most of the gang members are afk & barely even care you're there, I'm talking about a real gang war like in lethal. Gun walling & spamming is even more effective now because all the top tier guns have had their firerate nerfed & reload time increased now those lower tier guns mixed in with high tier guns or normal tier guns with higher freeze but potentially higher firerate is really dominating those gun walling situations. Now its extremely hard to break the gun walls because our tools are less effective & you CAN'T COUNTER GUN WALLING WITH DODGING. & in those gun wall there is no ''practice your skill in dodging'' you can only dodge so much in a small situation before backup comes & you''re dead. Also have to point out speed in basing has really decreased because gun walling is more effective none of the top weapons can take out those gun walls in a flash, so we have to ''dodge'' but dodging doesn't work very well in a crowded base because of the back up. You can maybe take on the one coming after you but after that you're dead. All you can hope is you'r gang is big enough, in which case the problem of spam & gun walling is STILL big gangs, it wasn't the guns.
I've actually stopped pking at lethal because its base layout really messes up any solo pker, its a waste of time. And Meph, yeah you're on to something because now its easy to tell whos had their bar practice and who hasn't lol
He makes a huge point, it's impossible to protect yourself against gun walls nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Donald
I want bar returned to former glory just for the sake of the money and time I've spent getting it. Idc who has a disadvantage or excuses for veteran players I want what I payed for or my money back.
Its all about the timing of your shots. You can increase your rof if you fire your shot as closely as the cool time is over; I like call this "getting in sync with your gun".Quote:
Originally Posted by GenoIndeed
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I'd hate to say this and I completely understand your frustration but you need to look at the bigger picture. I'm not saying this in a insulting way but in order for the game to become better, it has to make some sacrifices, and sadly BAR is one of the sacrifices that was needed. But hey, on the bright side every single gun thats close to BAR's level have also been nerfed so BAR is still stronger than GM4, (maybe) P2K, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Markymark98
I agree with you. We don't care about this is more ''balance'' or ''compromise'' nonsense all I know is I don't like the game the way it is now. Not everyone likes adapting these changes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Markymark98
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We don't want to insult we just want our money backQuote:
Originally Posted by Moo V
Hmmmm, think of it this way: You spent $100 real life money for a OP pixel gun with insane stats. Now Bitzsam comes and change the stats but says its "hierarchy" isn't changed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meph
That alone makes a lot of people salty because people brought BAR because it was "Holy cow so op, wow amazing, wow i can rekt ppl, wow wow wow wow."
And you have a point about the veterans being able to polish their dodging skills but then again, now with these guns that are slightly slower the "newbies" will also have a better chance at learning the dodges and stuff, so its really beneficial to both sides. The issue I see here is that people are salty because their favorite weapon isn't as "glorious" as it used to be and they feel scammed of their money. Put it this way:
Bar (A): Fast Fire Rate, Low Freeze, 20 Clip, 200,000 price [Old]
Bar (B): Medium Fire Rate, Medium Freeze, 15 (or whatever the new clip size is) Clip, 200,000 price [New]
- What do you think the people would prefer?
They would definitely prefer A, since the stat for both the BARs is completely different yet their price remained the same.
Oh and we are weakened because take BAR for example. If BAR [old] vs a M4 then the [old] BAR will have a better chance at winning than if BAR [new] vs M4.
So we are weakened but not by much.
That's just it. It's not making the game better. It's uncalled for and childish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moo V
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Exactly my point very well put.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moo V
Thats true but the people that forms the Gun Walls will also have slower BARs/GM4s. Plus Gun Walls are easy to break, just grab a HW shield (reduce dmg by 50%) and just charge (Most likely they will either: Break Formation or they will stop to heal.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Xur
In a Gang vs Gang, its about how well you guys work together, (send out specfic memebers to do specific task or charge in as a group).
It may sound like I'm defending Bitzsam but I really am not. I'm also upset about how Gm4 have fricken 2 stat in 1 single gun that is not even a fusion of 2 or more guns.
We don't want to cry we just want our money back. You can continue to play the game if you want but we want out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Czar Misago
Tbh I don't think it is possible since you did spent money on this game while you know that Era is flawed. No one forced you to spent money and that applies to me too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donald
I've tried quitting (its been like 70+ days ever since I logged on) and I have decided to come back since theres too many things for me to give up.
''You didn't purchase the stats as those aren't provided in the description- you bought the gun and the gun is what you still have''-Bitzsam 2017Quote:
Originally Posted by Moo V
Tbh we don't wanna complain. I don't think we are the target audience of this change. Bitz's target audience is those newbies afking at start. He said that this will potentially make the ally system not work because all the bases will be busy being attacked & defending their own bases. Well we're 2 weeks into this nothing seems to have changed newbies are still afking, you guys can complain & say we're B!tching but the fact of the matter is the nerf has failed to deliver all it has done is forcing existing players to adapt. The nerf has failed to deliver only proving a disruptive force. Maybe you can make a case for spar but everything else base spar fort pk its still the same existing players being forced to adapt.
Bitz said this change will lead to more gun variety, I'm not sure how thats going to work out, but atm all those basing, sparring, pking still doesn't seem very enticing to new players .
Bitz how does this lead to more gun variety & what do you mean by gun variety? You mean new guns? & how do you think the nerf is going so far? You said this change will 'balance things' lead to more basing, sparing, etc. Has it worked out that way or is it just same situation but different guns.
Do you see more players? Do you see an improvement in base, Pk & fort?
How will gun variety attract new players?
Wouldn't players that want to base still flock to the best guns, how does this addresses the players afking at start & how is this situation panning out now that the changes have been implemented?
What a splendid and rational speech.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donald
But then again, those people AFKing or RPing does not know or are aware of this change. Plus even with these changes what can they do? M16 vs BAR? No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donald
They can do nothing.
They are aware that even with this "nerf" that high tier guns are still high tier and if they want to compete, they'll have to fight Fire with Fire thus bring back the: Need better job payment or more unique jobs.
Also Bitzsam, most people who AFK or RP is what they choose to do, they find it more entertaining than to just go rambo and kill everyone. Theres a variety of gangs in this game that serves the purpose like:
- Basing Gangs: proves whos the strongest
- Spar Gangs: proves whos the most skillful
- Mafia Gangs: proves whos more dominate
- Pk Gangs: proves whos more determined
- Trade Gangs: proves whos the richest
- RP Gangs: proves....well...most social (?)
Well since my old account is lost on this site and I have no way of accessing it, I opted to make this one. This is by far one of the fastest growing threads I've seen on Era-Go quite honestly. Where to being with my thoughts towards these nerfs. Well first, I have to say that the nerfs kind of killed my enjoyment for the game. Were weapons like BAR or PBP or GM4 OP? Yes, they were. Did they needed nerfs? Perhaps in the past, but not now when they been the same for years now. I believe this is why people are complaining as true we did pay the price of the gun and that's not a valid reason to justified against these nerfs, BUT if they were done around the time of said gun release, it would have been better. Sam does have a point though and that is games like these will have balance patches and changes. This is not the only game that I spent money on where the items I use has got a nerf or balance change. Stuff like this happens sadly. Anyway, I hope you all give suggestions rather than bashing and insults. While I dislike the nerfs myself, I and all of you know they won't be reverted. It's best to give ideas than to just say over and over again to get refund because we all know what the answer to that is.
Yes we won't get a refund. No one bashing or insulting anyone. We don't like the changes. & we don't feel like playing the game anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by imSupah
We feel like the game is going in the wrong direction.
The purpose of the nerf is to ''balance the game so it leads to more players basing, pking & sparring'', that sounds great but how are things really panning out? If the changes did not make things more enticing to new players & players that WANT to base will still go to the best guns. Then whats the purpose of this change other than forcing existing players to adapt? Wouldn't such changes be redundant if it failed to fulfil its objective. Whats the point of the gun suggestions, if its not gonna make things more enticing to new players?
If it doesn't fulfil its purpose why go on with these changes?
If you disagree with me then show me the results, show me the new players don't just say its make the game more balance blah blah blah, show me the results, show me & prove me wrong because I sure as hell want to see these so called ''more players' basing.
I like how this whole thread has been Sam picking and choosing the articles he can throw under the bus, and try to justify his screw up. Stating he could easily kill shipka players with updated bar. I feel as if there is little to no truth behind his statements. I want to see him go into a random base and find 3-4 shipka users and him kill at least 2 of them with the new bar. Good luck. Veteran players can't even do it. All you did with this nerf it rotate the tiers of weapons. You didn't decrease the range on the tiers or the gap between tiers even. You but the most expensive gun in the game in a tier shared with the scar and in some aspects a 650$ uzi. All you are doing is dismantling arguments you seem fit and stating what YOU could do with the nerfed bar or other gun. You're also doing so in a somewhat rude manner that admins aren't known to portray. You've gone power hungry and me along with a lot of other people in this community do not appreciate. There's good points on both sides of this spectrum. But it doesn't matter. The bar is not worth that big 200k price tag anymore. No one would pay 200k for that pos gun.